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[Mandarijn]

For me it's simple: Robert is inactive in both games. 0 posts here and we should get rid of him asap, power role or not. As he'll be useless to the town and might cost us the win...

[Rafay]

For me it's simple: Robert is inactive in both games. 0 posts here and we should get rid of him asap, power role or not. As he'll be useless to the town and might cost us the win...

 

Exactly. If a replacement comes along we can remove it. 

[Ali bin Turban]

 

 

Hmm, I don't know, but by all means, please point out someone to prove your point .

 

 

Mandarijn is one of the perfect example, his last post is at 22 May 2016 and he has the same posts count as me, moreover, he's active and posting at the other mafia(we meta now) so it is a deliberate move.

 

I'm sure we can find more examples but come on, you need better reasons than that to accuse me

 

Nah, I don't think it's a good example at all. You were supposed to show someone who "is just floating around, basically doing nothing, just making sure to show up from time to time" and your only argument is that he's not posted here for a few days ? Also so far Mandarjin's post were a much better quality than yours (meaning more substantial and helpful to the town). He definitely wasn't floating around, he was among those that were trying to build a good strategy for the town.

 

But I'm sure you can find someone else (unless you want continue to debate on Mandarjin's posts)

[Lyner]

 

 

 

Hmm, I don't know, but by all means, please point out someone to prove your point .

 

 

Mandarijn is one of the perfect example, his last post is at 22 May 2016 and he has the same posts count as me, moreover, he's active and posting at the other mafia(we meta now) so it is a deliberate move.

 

I'm sure we can find more examples but come on, you need better reasons than that to accuse me

 

Nah, I don't think it's a good example at all. You were supposed to show someone who "is just floating around, basically doing nothing, just making sure to show up from time to time" and your only argument is that he's not posted here for a few days ? Also so far Mandarjin's post were a much better quality than yours (meaning more substantial and helpful to the town). He definitely wasn't floating around, he was among those that were trying to build a good strategy for the town.

 

But I'm sure you can find someone else (unless you want continue to debate on Mandarjin's posts)

 

 

Excuse me sir but that is a subjective evaluation of yours

 

On my perspective he is not any more helpful than you or me or anyone else except those who post fluff or just outright inactive, we've done what we can on day one and I'm content with my play for now

 

 

 

Now we just wait for the scum to put the last vote on either wagons:

Fermion (3): Imran Ehsan, Lyner, The Warrior,
Robert2424 (3): Mandarijn, Rafay, Chaplain of Death,

 

I wish you luck for my wagon, I'll keep this move of yours in mind for the next days

[The Warrior]

Deadline is in two days and we need to make a decision about what we want to do.

 

For me it's simple: Robert is inactive in both games. 0 posts here and we should get rid of him asap, power role or not. As he'll be useless to the town and might cost us the win...

I agree. The fact that Robert will not be any help at all (as well as Fermion's defense) has me considering switching to him. If no one else votes for him before Sunday I'll switch my vote.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Deadline is in two days and we need to make a decision about what we want to do.
 

For me it's simple: Robert is inactive in both games. 0 posts here and we should get rid of him asap, power role or not. As he'll be useless to the town and might cost us the win...

I agree. The fact that Robert will not be any help at all (as well as Fermion's defense) has me considering switching to him. If no one else votes for him before Sunday I'll switch my vote.

At the risk of looking like a scum by 1) changing my stance and 2) making the lynching vote. I'll do it. Robert is way too inactive, there is lurking, there is harmless inactivity, and there is inactivity that harms the town no matter if he is town or scum. Robert's inactivity (can someone check on him? Is he having RL problems? I haven't seen him on other posts at all lately. Gotta make sure he's okay.) Hurts the town, despite his role. My problem is by lynching him, we don't get much information. He is simply being lynch for being inactive. He hasn't made any post at all for us to go off of. I honestly don't think anyone voting for him so far would be scum, why would scum want to wagon someone who provides no information?

Let's hope he's not the cop. That'd suck.

Unvote.

Vote Robert2424

[Imran Ehsan]

I am not very comfortable with lynching someone completely inactive. I would rather they be replaced. If he has a power role he cant come and put up a defense.

 

Lurkers need to be lynched nit the inactives,

[Mandarijn]

Fermion hasn't been replaced yet, Robert hasn't even asked for a replacement yet. We need 2 replacements and we have none...

[Ali bin Turban]

 

 

 

 

Excuse me sir but that is a subjective evaluation of yours

 

On my perspective he is not any more helpful than you or me or anyone else except those who post fluff or just outright inactive, we've done what we can on day one and I'm content with my play for now

 

 

 

Now we just wait for the scum to put the last vote on either wagons:

Fermion (3): Imran Ehsan, Lyner, The Warrior,
Robert2424 (3): Mandarijn, Rafay, Chaplain of Death,

 

I wish you luck for my wagon, I'll keep this move of yours in mind for the next days

 

So what's helpful from your perspective? I'd really like to know, since you imply noone has done anything helpful yet (because let's say 7-8 people that are participating in the current discussion can't be equally helpful) . And if we've all done nothing helpful, why are you content with your play?

Us ganging up on some inactive guy does not spell success for me as far as D1 is concerned. Especially since there's not much to do at night (on top of that 2 guys are missing and if one of them happens to be a cop we're in trouble). We could probably do better (though I can't blame anyone for that).

 

Oh, and I'm not expecting (or willing) to go far on this wagon. For now I'm just trying to determine whether you're town on not .

[Rhizoctonia]

I am not very comfortable with lynching someone completely inactive. I would rather they be replaced. If he has a power role he cant come and put up a defense.

Lurkers need to be lynched nit the inactives,

This basically sums up mine.

At least others have posted some, Robert hasn't at all. But we'll see, if Robert is town, this is an easy lynch for Scum without drawing much attention to themselves, as a simple "yea lets vote an inactive," is not hard.

I still have more "gut" feelings off other people's posts and are pretty inactive then Robert with nothing. I get its a swing in the dark on D1, but I rather go off a hunch + inactive, then just voting because inactive. Though I likely see D2 looking like D1, so the likes of Robert/Whitebeard/Feemion are going to be top candidates for both days.

At this point Robert has 4, and enough to be lynched at deadline. There is no need to cast my vote, because since he reached 4 first he will be it unless someone voting Robert changes. My vote is open for the likes of Fermion or Whitbeard if Robert drops below 4 (those are the 2 I will vote for because both have given me reasonable suspicion)

[Rhizoctonia]

Deadline is in two days and we need to make a decision about what we want to do.

For me it's simple: Robert is inactive in both games. 0 posts here and we should get rid of him asap, power role or not. As he'll be useless to the town and might cost us the win...

I agree. The fact that Robert will not be any help at all (as well as Fermion's defense) has me considering switching to him. If no one else votes for him before Sunday I'll switch my vote.

At the risk of looking like a scum by 1) changing my stance and 2) making the lynching vote. I'll do it. Robert is way too inactive, there is lurking, there is harmless inactivity, and there is inactivity that harms the town no matter if he is town or scum. Robert's inactivity (can someone check on him? Is he having RL problems? I haven't seen him on other posts at all lately. Gotta make sure he's okay.) Hurts the town, despite his role. My problem is by lynching him, we don't get much information. He is simply being lynch for being inactive. He hasn't made any post at all for us to go off of. I honestly don't think anyone voting for him so far would be scum, why would scum want to wagon someone who provides no information?

Let's hope he's not the cop. That'd suck.

Unvote.

Vote Robert2424

Ideally Scum would want to lynch a more active town, or one they can see likely to see through their posts/votes...but they aren't likely going to be able to get a wagon on those type of players without really selling themselves out on D1. It's a numbers game, and fact is, scum will take a lynch on D1 no matter the townie. Doesn't matter if they're active or not, they still knock off a town D1, and even more so, they can easily defend their vote by saying it was just for "inactivity," and they know lynching an inactive town won't give us much.

I don't expect a lot of scum involved in a lynch of a townie D1, but I bet there is at least 1. IMO, if whoever we do lynch D1 turns out town, i am betting 1 of them are scum.

[Lyner]

 

 

 

 

 

Excuse me sir but that is a subjective evaluation of yours

 

On my perspective he is not any more helpful than you or me or anyone else except those who post fluff or just outright inactive, we've done what we can on day one and I'm content with my play for now

 

 

 

Now we just wait for the scum to put the last vote on either wagons:

Fermion (3): Imran Ehsan, Lyner, The Warrior,
Robert2424 (3): Mandarijn, Rafay, Chaplain of Death,

 

I wish you luck for my wagon, I'll keep this move of yours in mind for the next days

 

So what's helpful from your perspective? I'd really like to know, since you imply noone has done anything helpful yet (because let's say 7-8 people that are participating in the current discussion can't be equally helpful) . And if we've all done nothing helpful, why are you content with your play?

Us ganging up on some inactive guy does not spell success for me as far as D1 is concerned. Especially since there's not much to do at night (on top of that 2 guys are missing and if one of them happens to be a cop we're in trouble). We could probably do better (though I can't blame anyone for that).

 

Oh, and I'm not expecting (or willing) to go far on this wagon. For now I'm just trying to determine whether you're town on not .

 

 

Not any more helpful than the others, not 'not helpful'. This is day one and nobody knows nothing, any posts made are not significant unless it's about strategizing the night plan or trying to lynch someone, we've done both. The only helpful things to do now is not to be inactive and vote

 

Eh I disagree, I don't think we can lynch a scum on day one, so the point of the wagon is to just made some 'lines' for future reference

[Ali bin Turban]

 

 

Deadline is in two days and we need to make a decision about what we want to do.
 

For me it's simple: Robert is inactive in both games. 0 posts here and we should get rid of him asap, power role or not. As he'll be useless to the town and might cost us the win...
 

I agree. The fact that Robert will not be any help at all (as well as Fermion's defense) has me considering switching to him. If no one else votes for him before Sunday I'll switch my vote.

At the risk of looking like a scum by 1) changing my stance and 2) making the lynching vote. I'll do it. Robert is way too inactive, there is lurking, there is harmless inactivity, and there is inactivity that harms the town no matter if he is town or scum. Robert's inactivity (can someone check on him? Is he having RL problems? I haven't seen him on other posts at all lately. Gotta make sure he's okay.) Hurts the town, despite his role. My problem is by lynching him, we don't get much information. He is simply being lynch for being inactive. He hasn't made any post at all for us to go off of. I honestly don't think anyone voting for him so far would be scum, why would scum want to wagon someone who provides no information?

Let's hope he's not the cop. That'd suck.

Unvote.

Vote Robert2424

Ideally Scum would want to lynch a more active town, or one they can see likely to see through their posts/votes...but they aren't likely going to be able to get a wagon on those type of players without really selling themselves out on D1. It's a numbers game, and fact is, scum will take a lynch on D1 no matter the townie. Doesn't matter if they're active or not, they still knock off a town D1, and even more so, they can easily defend their vote by saying it was just for "inactivity," and they know lynching an inactive town won't give us much.

I don't expect a lot of scum involved in a lynch of a townie D1, but I bet there is at least 1. IMO, if whoever we do lynch D1 turns out town, i am betting 1 of them are scum.

 

I'm not so sure about it. We've made a mistake by indicating we'll jump on a wagon if there are not enough votes, so why should they? We've made it comfortable for them (and I'm guilty of making such statements too). Unfortunately Robert didn't show up and lynching him wont get us far. Well, at least there's still possibility he was inactive scum but such small chance is not much comforting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So what's helpful from your perspective? I'd really like to know, since you imply noone has done anything helpful yet (because let's say 7-8 people that are participating in the current discussion can't be equally helpful) . And if we've all done nothing helpful, why are you content with your play?

Us ganging up on some inactive guy does not spell success for me as far as D1 is concerned. Especially since there's not much to do at night (on top of that 2 guys are missing and if one of them happens to be a cop we're in trouble). We could probably do better (though I can't blame anyone for that).

 

Oh, and I'm not expecting (or willing) to go far on this wagon. For now I'm just trying to determine whether you're town on not .

 

 

Not any more helpful than the others, not 'not helpful'. This is day one and nobody knows nothing, any posts made are not significant unless it's about strategizing the night plan or trying to lynch someone, we've done both. The only helpful things to do now is not to be inactive and vote

 

Eh I disagree, I don't think we can lynch a scum on day one, so the point of the wagon is to just made some 'lines' for future reference

 

Again, D2 will not be different. Let's play a guessing game and assume we lynch Robert and he turns out to be a town. Then at night, lets say, KH is killed. What will you make out of it? Pretty much nothing. We need to put more effort than just being content with lynching inactives and waiting for the cop that may or may not yeld results.

 

But if you're so confident, please tell me what is your plan for the upcoming days? How do you imagine they'll play out?

[Whitebeard]

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[KevinH]

Canik Replaces Fermion.

Vote Count:

Robert2424 (4): Mandarijn, Rafay, Chaplain of Death, King Hitler,
Canik (3): Imran Ehsan, Lyner, The Warrior,
Imran Ehsan (1): iSocialism,
Lyner (1): Ali bin Turban,
Rafay (0):
The Warrior (0):
iSocialism (0):
King Hitler (0):
Whitebeard (0):
Rhizoctonia (0):
Ali bin Turban (0)
Chaplain of death (0)
Mandarijn (0)

No lynch (2): Canik, Whitebeard,

Not voting: Robert2424, Rhizoctonia,

 
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at deadline.
Deadline is Sunday, May 29 at 21:00 EDT
 

[Rhizoctonia]

I'll wait to see what Canik says since he's replaced him. But Feemion/Canik still is suspicious to me.

[Whitebeard]

Let it be suspicious. Who gives a DAMN

 

 

 

Again...

 

 

 

 

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[The Warrior]

Welcome Canik!

What are your thoughts about the strategies that have been presented so far? Is there anything that we should consider that we haven't yet?

[Canik]

Hi all. Thanks TW.

Always good to replace someone with multiple votes on them. xD

Regarding the No Lynch debate

I am generally for no lynch. It normally results in a townie death and leaves a small margin of error the rest of game, resulting in town loses in my experience. (but this is only my 8th game or so)

However each game is unique and in this particular game, with the unusually weak power roles, I find the argument for D1 lynching much stronger. Seems like it is probably a good idea in this set-up.

Regarding the Cop Bread-Crumb proposal

This might still have holes in it but kinda brainstorming here. What if we all posted 1 suggestion a day and it can be either town or scum.

For example I would post tomorrow:

Town: Imran

or I could post Scum: Lyner

This way when we know who the cop is his information will be 100% factual.. but he can freely post town or scum. And wish I could say this without scum seeing it, but if we just muddle up the scum claims that should give decent cover for the cop. VTs need to get in early and make lots of varied scum claims (but a couple town claims too), and the cop can claim somewhere around the middle. If the VTs hit who the cop was going to claim or on a different scum by chance, then the cop should be quite safe.

[i]Regarding who I'm going to vote for[/b]

Not much real info to go on and not much time left in the day.

Robert seems like a decent choice because I'm doubtful we'll find a replacement or that he'll get active again. He already has the 4 votes needed for a deadline lynch tho.

So, I'll give a last minute potential switch and start a wagon for iSocialism.

Vote iSocialism

Nothing factual to back this up of course, but I get town vibes from Imran (and AbT/TW too). iSocialism is voting for Imran. I think someone mentioned iSocialism has been lurking. Also, in general I feel like he's always playing with setting up an easy game for him when he does get scum. Which makes him frustrating to play with when you're town. For all these reasons, he seems as good a choice as any.

[Rhizoctonia]

Hi all. Thanks TW.

Always good to replace someone with multiple votes on them. xD

Regarding the No Lynch debate

I am generally for no lynch. It normally results in a townie death and leaves a small margin of error the rest of game, resulting in town loses in my experience. (but this is only my 8th game or so)

However each game is unique and in this particular game, with the unusually weak power roles, I find the argument for D1 lynching much stronger. Seems like it is probably a good idea in this set-up.

Regarding the Cop Bread-Crumb proposal

This might still have holes in it but kinda brainstorming here. What if we all posted 1 suggestion a day and it can be either town or scum.

For example I would post tomorrow:

Town: Imran

or I could post Scum: Lyner

This way when we know who the cop is his information will be 100% factual.. but he can freely post town or scum. And wish I could say this without scum seeing it, but if we just muddle up the scum claims that should give decent cover for the cop. VTs need to get in early and make lots of varied scum claims (but a couple town claims too), and the cop can claim somewhere around the middle. If the VTs hit who the cop was going to claim or on a different scum by chance, then the cop should be quite safe.

[i]Regarding who I'm going to vote for[/b]

Not much real info to go on and not much time left in the day.

Robert seems like a decent choice because I'm doubtful we'll find a replacement or that he'll get active again. He already has the 4 votes needed for a deadline lynch tho.

So, I'll give a last minute potential switch and start a wagon for iSocialism.

Vote iSocialism

Nothing factual to back this up of course, but I get town vibes from Imran (and AbT/TW too). iSocialism is voting for Imran. I think someone mentioned iSocialism has been lurking. Also, in general I feel like he's always playing with setting up an easy game for him when he does get scum. Which makes him frustrating to play with when you're town. For all these reasons, he seems as good a choice as any.

 

 

So you haven't said anything that makes me think much differently....honestly what you said is exactly what Mandarijn mentioned which we've disputed would be likely lead to the cop being found quicker.  Not only that, but suggesting townies makes various scum claims would only play into helping the Scum if we did that because it's likely more people will guess wrong on who the scum is, allowing the Scum to narrow down their list of who the cop is.  If people are going to guess each day of who a townie/scum is, they have a lot better chance of guessing who a town player is and getting it right then guessing a scum player and getting it right.  The more people who guess wrong, the quicker the list of who the possible cop is gets smaller.  

 

Vote:  Canik/Fermion

 

If Canik is Scum, Mandarijn is going to be on my radar