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[iSocialism]

I think you hasty vote to get a wagon on me failed, COD. You mistaken my not wanting the cop to come out because I don't want the scum to know who he is. For not wanting the town to have information. I rather the cop stay silent because I doubt if the scum know who he is right now, and only have a 1/4 chance of hitting him. I think the scum might have used one shot so far, but it was probably in effective, and now they will just use the remaining 3 ATM, to use for the doctor and to try to counter KH's NA.

 

Also Mandi, though I believe you to be a pro-town player. I sill trust no one, I'm not completely sold on Canik, at first he was my red flags because of his rash voting, but I went back and read all of his post in this game. I'm not convince he's town, butI'm sold on him as scum for right now. I think at this point in the game we need to give our lists, if we all do this it would help the town and the cop. If the cop does die we can go back to his list and see what he had to say. If we all give our list, then this would also dilute the lists and would be harder to pick out who might be the cop. It's ultimately up to the cop though, maybe all of his lead are dead, and he could only reveal himself. But if the cop was to come out, I would hope for everyone to have presented a list before then.

 

Rafay - quiet, not much to go off of
iSocialism  - myself
King Hitler - Says he is the vig, and there hasn't been a counter.
Whitebeard - Comes in says something brief and that's it.
Rhizoctonia - Is playing pretty active and seems to be trying to scum hunt, also has creed from Mandi
Canik - Does some jumoing around voting, and "hey look at me I say this pro-town stuff" However, he has been critical and analyzing some stuff.
Chaplain of Death - Hasn't contribute anything. But push on me all of a sudden is kind of suspicious, and hs push wasn't until Rhiz posted that he felt he could vote for me.
Mandarijn - Has giving partail list,  better then most throughout the whole game.

 

My Top four scum list

Rafay

COD

Canik

WB

 

My Top four town

Myself

KH

Rhiz

Mandi

 

 

What's the reason you put CoD so high?

You really don't read any of my post do you?

[Mandarijn]

I do, but that doesn't tell me why you put Rafay on top, or CoD above the 2 others... Because your thoughts on Rafay and WB are kinda similar, yet one is on top and the other is at the bottom.

 

 

@Canik http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57112-kh-12-sharing-is-caring-mafia-day-3/?p=863593

[Mandarijn]

I've been reading and re-reading a lot, also asking some questions. I'm very confident now Rafay and Canik are definitly scum. So I would say we should kill the active one 1st (Canik), but if the rest wants to kill Rafay 1st I would be fine as well.

 

The 3rd scum is still between CoD, iSoc and WB. Initially I thought it was WB, but seeing Canik and CoD don't want to be linked to eachother and both put eachother out their top 3 and both try to push for the 2 others I'm starting to think (and I'm pretty confident) that CoD is the 3rd scum.

 

So I say we lynch Canik today, hopefully he's the doctor so KH can just take out Rafay. If Canik isn't the doctor KH should choose between CoD and Rafay, so the scum doctor has to guess. Same would be if we lynch Rafay, vig kill Canik (or CoD if Rafay isn't the doctor).

 

Vote: Canik

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

Rafay (1): Rhizoctonia,
iSocialism (1): Chaplain of Death,
Whitebeard (1): King Hitler,
Canik (1): Mandarijn,
King Hitler (0):
Rhizoctonia (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
Mandarijn (0)

No lynch (0):

Not voting: iSocialism, Canik, Whitebeard, Rafay,

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Wednesday, June 22, at 12:00 EDT.

[Rhizoctonia]

I've been reading and re-reading a lot, also asking some questions. I'm very confident now Rafay and Canik are definitly scum. So I would say we should kill the active one 1st (Canik), but if the rest wants to kill Rafay 1st I would be fine as well.

 

The 3rd scum is still between CoD, iSoc and WB. Initially I thought it was WB, but seeing Canik and CoD don't want to be linked to eachother and both put eachother out their top 3 and both try to push for the 2 others I'm starting to think (and I'm pretty confident) that CoD is the 3rd scum.

 

So I say we lynch Canik today, hopefully he's the doctor so KH can just take out Rafay. If Canik isn't the doctor KH should choose between CoD and Rafay, so the scum doctor has to guess. Same would be if we lynch Rafay, vig kill Canik (or CoD if Rafay isn't the doctor).

 

Vote: Canik

 

I did just look back at the voting as well, and you do have a point on both of them.  I believe you to be town, and I do think to win we're going to need to knock off the scum that are more active and not just ones that haven't even done much of anything.  I been suspicious of Canik longer then most, but he to me isn't as for sure as Rafay to me.  But I'm going to trust your instinct on this one.

 

Unvote

 

Vote:  Canik

 

Kevin - If the Vig targets someone at night, and the scum target the Vig...what happens?  Do both people die, or only the Vig?  And if the Vig is the only one to die, do we still lose a town action point even though he wasn't able to do it because he was killed?

[SeaBeeGipson]

Already asked. We both die.

[Rhizoctonia]

Already asked. We both die.

 

 

Thanks

 

Then yea, I think Mandarijn's idea for the night is the way to go, depending on what role we take out today with the lynch.  

[Canik]

@Canik http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57112-kh-12-sharing-is-caring-mafia-day-3/?p=863593

 

I should've put CoD above Rhizo, but to me Rhizo isn't far behind because 1. he spearheaded the Imran lynch iirc. 2. he's pushed crazy hard to lynch me with flimsy arguments first, then a big (yet still flimsy) argument at the start of D2. I excuse this more when there's reason to be suspicious but with me there isn't a good reason. Which is why a lot of town dropped it and started focusing elsewhere. Unfortunately for me several of them have died leaving me as fairly easy pickings for the scum. Only 1 more mislynch needed. GG scum wins.

Some of AbT's last words were "Final words to Canik and KH - you're now holding a big responsibility in
your hands. We can say we have 8 active players. If 3 of them are scums
and you're mistaken with your choice then after N3 there will be 3
active towns vs 3 active scums."

Why would I kill someone who believed I was town. If I were scum that would be pretty useful right about now. (Hell I'm town and wouldn't mind the support)

But I digress, point is.. I feel a little suspicious towards him but he's pretty far down the list. iSoc is definitely a better choice, being quiet/lurking all game and busting out at the end with fluff and subtle support for a lynch on me. Still not a lot to go on but apparently we aren't going to get any more information.

Vote iSoc

[Mandarijn]

Ali's quote was mainly that your and KH vote on Imran were deciding, because he thought Imran was town (if I remember correctly).

King Hitler, we'll need your vote on Canik as well, before the 3rd scum puts another vote on iSoc...

[SeaBeeGipson]

Ali's quote was mainly that your and KH vote on Imran were deciding, because he thought Imran was town (if I remember correctly).
King Hitler, we'll need your vote on Canik as well, before the 3rd scum puts another vote on iSoc...

Against my better judgement (I believe Isoc is more scum than Canik right now), you were right about the Imran and Warrior. I trust your judgement here.

Unvote.
Vote Canik.

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

Canik (3): Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, King Hitler,
iSocialism (2): Chaplain of Death, Canik,
Whitebeard (0):
Rafay (0):
King Hitler (0):
Rhizoctonia (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
Mandarijn (0)

No lynch (0):

Not voting: iSocialism, Whitebeard, Rafay,

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Wednesday, June 22, at 12:00 EDT.
 
"All shots get fired at once"

[Canik]

Ali's quote was mainly that your and KH vote on Imran were deciding, because he thought Imran was town (if I remember correctly).

King Hitler, we'll need your vote on Canik as well, before the 3rd scum puts another vote on iSoc...

"Canik, KH seem to be townies (they're in the minority that seem to care
about town's future) and they had mild clashes with TW/Rhizo, which is
sort of an indicator they're not in the same team."

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57112-kh-12-sharing-is-caring-mafia-day-3/?p=862132

No he specifically said he thought KH & I were town. So my point stands, as do the rest of my points. Yet despite there being nothing anywhere close to evidence I'm scum and plenty of indication I'm town everyone just remembers there was early controversy around me. Nevermind that it was all debunked and silly to begin with.

Have fun following the scum narrative and making another mislynch. KH make sure to use your power tonight it will be town's last shot at getting another day.

[iSocialism]

Vote Canik

[Chaplain of death]

unvote

 

I don't want to end the day early and deprive us of 3 days of discussion. 

 

 

I find it odd that you point out a link between Canik and I, and he can see the writing on the wall for himself, and then he immediately votes on iSoc with me. Considering you just drew up a plan in which I should be killed if Canik is scum, (when the only link between Canik and I is that before day 3 I wasn't seeing much scummy behavior from him (perhaps I was just not paying enough attention during the essays)) it just seems strange that he would then make your case stronger if I was actually scum. I'm trying to wrap my head around why a scum would so thoroughly set up another scum to be killed after they are lynched, it doesn't make any sense whatsoever. What does make sense is setting up a townie to get killed so that they don't fall behind and keep pressure on us.

 

Canik's only defense for himself is that a VT said he thought that Canik was a townie before he died. If that person had been a cop then that would be relevant, but Ali didn't have any extra information from which to base his opinion. 

 

I'm still suspicious of iSoc, but it appears pretty evident at this point that Canik is scum. Hopefully the cop survives the night since they chose not to claim today.

[Mandarijn]

 

Ali's quote was mainly that your and KH vote on Imran were deciding, because he thought Imran was town (if I remember correctly).

King Hitler, we'll need your vote on Canik as well, before the 3rd scum puts another vote on iSoc...

"Canik, KH seem to be townies (they're in the minority that seem to care
about town's future) and they had mild clashes with TW/Rhizo, which is
sort of an indicator they're not in the same team."

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/57112-kh-12-sharing-is-caring-mafia-day-3/?p=862132

No he specifically said he thought KH & I were town. So my point stands, as do the rest of my points. Yet despite there being nothing anywhere close to evidence I'm scum and plenty of indication I'm town everyone just remembers there was early controversy around me. Nevermind that it was all debunked and silly to begin with.

Have fun following the scum narrative and making another mislynch. KH make sure to use your power tonight it will be town's last shot at getting another day.

Yes, he says it's sort of an indicator they're not in the same team. TW/Rhizo are town, so it's indeed an indication you're scum.

 

Like I said, I'm not 100% convinced CoD is scum (I'm 100% sure about Rafay seeing his absence now). But if Canik isn't the doctor KH needs someone else to vig kill and you're the best guess I think... What he ultimately does is up to him, he can also choose to not use his ability.

[Chaplain of death]

Far better to not get a kill than to kill a townie. If Canik is the Framer, then the cop should investigate me to prove my innocence, if he is the Doctor than KH should kill Rafay.

 

X was 4 at start, we've had 2 nights so far with theoretically 3 actions done. X went up to "5" when the jailkeeper died. So theoretically we have 2 hits on X left.

 

 

I don't see how killing the person that Canik is so obviously setting up to be killed next helps the town, but if you believe it does then go ahead and waste the chance to get ahead of the scum. Its 5v3 right now. If Canik is indeed scum like he definitely appears to be, then we'll be 5v2 going into the  night. If you mess up and kill a townie it will be 3v2. With Rafay Whitebeard and iSoc participating so little, you have a fairly good chance of at least  one inactive townie. In which case we lose.

 

To be honest, I still think the  cop should claim and give  his results now because with the number of inactives and scum left in the game, With KH claimed as Vig, we have a cop hiding as one of 4 possible people (from scum perspective). Chances are they've investigated 1 or 2 of the people still in the game, which lowers it further. Gambling on one more result isn't worth it IMO.

[Mandarijn]

OR what's also possible is you're just trying to make it look like he's setting you up as he was already lost. Right before he had 2-3 votes he was still keeping you out of the picture (just like you were doing to him), but then he also votes for iSoc and now you come with this story. It can be true of course (as I'm not 100% sure you're scum), but it can also be a nice play from the scummies.

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

Canik (4): Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, King Hitler, iSocialism,
iSocialism (1): Canik,
Whitebeard (0):
Rafay (0):
King Hitler (0):
Rhizoctonia (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
Mandarijn (0)

No lynch (0):

Not voting: Whitebeard, Rafay, Chaplain of Death,

 

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Wednesday, June 22, at 12:00 EDT.

[Mandarijn]

We'll still have to wait till deadline as there are 3 scum + 1 inactive left against our 4 townies (supposing iSoc is town, which isn't sure yet. But seeing the scum are trying to push for WB and iSoc I'm pretty sure we've nailed it). It's pretty stupid though that Rafay and Whitebeard are completely inactive.

 

@CoD: you said you you want discussion, yet in the previous days I was the only one asking questions and the others were mostly just answering them... So not much discussion going on there.

 

 

 

My final thoughts as I probably won't have a lot of time to check Mafia the next days, but I'll be around sometimes:

Rafay: 100% scum

 

Then the 3 others that are left:

CoD: 90% scum (educated guess, based on votes, behaviour, Canik's posts, ...)

WB: 50% scum (nothing to go off, so 50/50)

iSoc: 40% scum (seeing Canik was pushing for him, before I accused him I'm pretty sure he's town. But who knows)

[Chaplain of death]

An educated guess based off of what? Someone else's behavior? I engaged with Canik on Day 1. How do I defend myself from the behavior of another? My votes lead you to believe I am scum? I voted for Robert because we didn't have enough information but I believed that a Day 1 lynch was in our best interest this game considering the setup (perhaps Im wrong). Day 2 I still felt like we didn't have enough information to go on to really single someone out but believed that Lynching someone in that massive clusterfuck would lead to the town having more information to work off for this day. Unfortunately it seems all the people involved in that were just misled townies in a heated argument that escalated. 

 

My posts have been fairly consistent. I don't get all that much time online these days between work and life, so when everyone was posting a 5 page essay about how because this person used this word in this sentence, they are scum, I kind of tuned out. I know that doing so unintentionally hurt the town, but you guys made this game a time suck that was not fun. I'm here to have fun, if I cannot do so there is no point. Now that people aren't doing that, I'm more active (along with that fact that being one of 5 townies, I'm kind of obligated to just suck it up at this point).

 

In previous days plenty of other people were asking questions as well. Day 2 ABT and KH furthered the discussion plenty. As I stated above, I did not on day 2, but others did. So saying you were the only one asking questions is a falsehood.