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[Whitebeard]

True

[Theophilos]

 

No....that is directly in the context of you stating that working for the ERDF reminds you of Nazi Collaborators.    Either own your statement, in which case I will chalk you up as an utter piece of human shite, or apologise for it. Don't try some useless chickenshit "it was all out of context" when every person here can see exactly what context it was in and exactly what you said. 

Oh okay... let me make myself absolutely clear. A British citizen working for the European Union, for the purpose of weakening the sovereignty of the United Kingdom, and chaining the British people to European law, reminds me of a Nazi collaborating Jew in Warsaw Poland in 1940. Is that sufficient enough "owning" for you? I'm happy to hear you saved enough of the 30 pieces of silver to get you by until you find something more productive to do.

 

I'm an American, Capitalist, Conservative, Republican, Trump supporter... I already know what you think of me. Will I be asking your permission to post what something reminds me of in the future? No.

 

 

So it wasn't enough to do this folly once, you have to repeat it?

 

Saying that a citizen of the UK is working for the EU in order to weaken UK's sovereignty is nothing more than base slander. It cannot, not even in the realm of fiction, compel you or anyone else to become reminiscent of any aspect of nazism. There is nothing to compare, there are no paralels.

 

I am frankly shocked that you are so intolerant that you would resort to such a base and deplorable claim for no other reason but for the fact that someone does not share your view(s). You should feel ashamed, comparing a supposed (albeit untrue) infrigment of sovereignty to a process of dehumanisation of a people is utterly shameful, insulting and devalues their suffering.

[ccabal86]

Lys, while I generally see where you're coming from (even if there is much we disagree on), this comparison is totally uncalled for, and even worse, without basis. I'm all for calling a spade a spade, even if that is the unpular opinion, but comparing the EU to Nazi Germany and Icewolf to a nazi official is is not only dishonest, but also objectively untrue.

[Icewolf]

 

No....that is directly in the context of you stating that working for the ERDF reminds you of Nazi Collaborators.    Either own your statement, in which case I will chalk you up as an utter piece of human shite, or apologise for it. Don't try some useless chickenshit "it was all out of context" when every person here can see exactly what context it was in and exactly what you said. 

Oh okay... let me make myself absolutely clear. A British citizen working for the European Union, for the purpose of weakening the sovereignty of the United Kingdom, and chaining the British people to European law, reminds me of a Nazi collaborating Jew in Warsaw Poland in 1940. Is that sufficient enough "owning" for you? I'm happy to hear you saved enough of the 30 pieces of silver to get you by until you find something more productive to do.

 

I'm an American, Capitalist, Conservative, Republican, Trump supporter... I already know what you think of me. Will I be asking your permission to post what something reminds me of in the future? No.

 

Right...

 

The Programme I work for was signed off by a UK minister. I have to answer to UK officials. I am constantly reminded that I have to answer to the member state. It is now paralysed because we can't find a UK minister willing to make a decision. 

 

The decision of the council I work for to bid for the management of this programme was taken by elected representatives in the UK. The decision to be in the EU was taken by the British government in 1960s and 70s, then by the British people in 1975, then by successive British governments, of both colours, which also signed of on the creation of the structural funds. The same elected government that firmly nailed its colours to the mast in support of the objectives of the structural funds in the 2020 strategy. 

 

How the fuck am I undermining sovereignty? The UK still has its sovereignty. If it didn't then it wouldn't have the ability to leave the EU. The fact it is planning to leave demonstrates that it is still a sovereign nation and nothing I have done has ever undermined that. Now I happen to believe that the best way to make use of that sovereignty is to work with other countries. I happen to believe that after 2 world wars that ripped the world asunder and caused tens of millions of deaths across the world for the sake of petty nationalism we in Europe have a duty to build something better and look for co-operation across our borders rather than ripping them apart. We owe that to the world and to each other. Too many died when we didn't. 

 

The EU is NOT a fucking nazi state. You are an idiot if you believe that to be true. A bloody fool. My family were in Poland in 1939, some made it to France to fight in the Free forces, others ended up in fucking Siberia. They never went home. The communists would have shot them. You wave your bloody capitalist credentials and sneer at socialism as though it makes you a big man. Try growing up in Europe. The scars still exist. The concentration camps. The lines between east and west. The old war defenses littering every beach. The fact you can't build a house in London or Paris or Berlin without disturbing an old bomb.

 

You want to see someone who actually fights communism and dictatorship? Look up the past of Juncker, his time building resistance on Poland. Why is the East so desperate to be in the EU if it is as bad as the old dictatorships? Why would Germany tolerate it? Italy, Spain, Greece, the lands of the old fascist dicatators? Why do they tolerate it? 

 

Because it is not, never has been, and never will be a fucking nazi state. Only a moron would think that. 

 

I actually cannot believe that you would be frankly that stupid. But then you said before you don't care about politics outside America, so I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are actually just that ignorant about European affairs and really have no idea of the history of Europe, how the EU came about, or what it actually does. But I am not going to forget that without basis you said my job was on the level of gassing jews. You are vile. 

[Lysistrata]

I never called the European Union, Nazi Germany. I never called you a Nazi. I never said you were gassing anyone.

 

I said that you working for the EU could be viewed by some of your people as you are working for the enemy, that your involved too much to have an unbiased view of the issue, and it reminded me of something I saw in a movie. That's it... but like I said when I started the thread... I have no skin in this game, other than my stocks that are experiencing a burp. Nothing changes. You will remain in favor of global law and tying yourself to underachieving nations, and I will remain forever against it. In my opinion, it was just a bad idea, and I feel bad for you.

[Icewolf]

"A British citizen working for the European Union, for the purpose of weakening the sovereignty of the United Kingdom, and chaining the British people to European law, reminds me of a Nazi collaborating Jew in Warsaw Poland in 1940."

 

Really not comparing someone to a Nazi? 

 

I think everyone here can see what you wrote. 

[Bill N Ted]

It does seem to be we cannot have a thread without someone being called a Nazi; its just one of those internet things.

 

 

In a rather British attempt to lighten the mood (Hitler's view on BREXIT - I laughed) and since I didn't let the Nazi's out of the bag first.  

 

[Finster Baby]

I seem to remember one thing about this vote:

It's non-binding.

Meaning, 100% of the population could vote to leave, and the UK Parliament can say "Bugger off"

[Bill N Ted]

I seem to remember one thing about this vote:

It's non-binding.

Meaning, 100% of the population could vote to leave, and the UK Parliament can say "Bugger off"

 

This is true, however given the ramifications of it I anticipate civil unrest if it is ignored.  That is not me offering up violence or proposing it, merely stating that should Parliament ignore this I feel that things would descend rather quickly into civil unrest +/- major rioting and political turmoil.  

 

If 17,000,000 had voted to leave and 17,000,001 had voted to remain I can guarantee you that the establishment would be taking the result of the referendum as a mandate.

 

If this is ignored it will become clear very quickly that democracy is dead in the UK.  

[Fox Fire]

Europe is stronger together. That's my view in a nutshell. 

RIP EU. I thought you had great potential. Shame on Brits who voted to leave. You're all reactionary idiots. 

[Bill N Ted]

Europe is stronger together. That's my view in a nutshell. 

RIP EU. I thought you had great potential. Shame on Brits who voted to leave. You're all reactionary idiots. 

 

There there, there there, we are entitled to different views    

 

Again; if the EU had anything to offer it would have been a differently fought campaign; it would have been a positive campaign as opposed to "if you leave it will bring about the end of days" which we had in spades for months.  

 

Arguably the reacting was done by the legions of foreigners and British tax exiles (ie Richard Branson) that came to our shore threatening us with Armageddon and telling us how to vote or else, we just went to the ballot box and said no thanks.  

 

I don't understand what your issue is. 

[Icewolf]

There was a lot of positive message. The problem is that Cameron was allowed to dominate and he was too cowardly to go against the eurosceptic parts of the Tory Base and make a pro European argument. Just as he was too cowardly to stay and fix a mess of his own making.

And the media effectively just ran the negative campaigns of both sides as a headlines, not helped by the most dishonest campaign in history from vote leave.

[Wolfpacks]

What's he point in stayin in Europe, we can't win their cup or their song contest, dont see what the fuss is all about myself

[ccabal86]

What's he point in stayin in Europe, we can't win their cup or their song contest, dont see what the fuss is all about myself

The song contest alone is a serious argument for leaving!

[onbekende]

Well Eurovision has nothing to do with the EU (why you think Russia is in it? ), so you still got that to look forward to

 

So Corbyn just got voted of, hilarious actually knowing that it is "the establishment" that wanted him off after the Labour base voted him in. Very ironic that the same voter base that probably voted "Leave" just cost them their leader

[ccabal86]

 Well Eurovision has nothing to do with the EU (why you think Russia is in it? ), so you still got that to look forward to

 

It's so bad the spillover alone is enough!

[onbekende]

Just send someone singing in welsh, people like languages they think they know but don't just quite understand.

[Wolfpacks]

Actually it's down to the membership to vote, it's just the so far up their own arses that voted today, in other words the politicians

What's he point in stayin in Europe, we can't win their cup or their song contest, dont see what the fuss is all about myself

The song contest alone is a serious argument for leaving!

I miss Terry Wogan he was stuff of legend

[Finster Baby]

England's brexit from Euro 2016 was just as terrible as the vote.

Too soon?

[Fox Fire]

 

Europe is stronger together. That's my view in a nutshell. 

RIP EU. I thought you had great potential. Shame on Brits who voted to leave. You're all reactionary idiots. 

 

There there, there there, we are entitled to different views    

 

Again; if the EU had anything to offer it would have been a differently fought campaign; it would have been a positive campaign as opposed to "if you leave it will bring about the end of days" which we had in spades for months.  

 

Arguably the reacting was done by the legions of foreigners and British tax exiles (ie Richard Branson) that came to our shore threatening us with Armageddon and telling us how to vote or else, we just went to the ballot box and said no thanks.  

 

I don't understand what your issue is. 

 

My issue is that my vision of the future is one where borders become increasingly meaningless. That's been the trend for decades until now. Now nationalism and swastikas are back in style.