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[Kaziocore]

@Kazio, all I've seen you doing this game was calling Rafay a lurker and pushing for his lynch. And that's quite ironic, considering you have the least posts right now. Do you have any other thoughts, on other players for instance? Because for now it seems you're taking easy ride through the game.

Really? Post counts don't mean anything. Except from the one instance I didn't find time to post on D1, I try to post at least one post everyday (or two days max)
I have stated that I find CoD and FB leaning town and I want Rafay dead today to get some info. Maybe we'll see why people tried to delay his death on D1. It's funny how you only voted for me after Lyner pressured you to vote.
 

Kazio seems town, but he always seems town. He isn't super active but he usually says something worth while and I've got nothing but town vibes up to this point. His one post struck me as odd as I hardly ever "sheep". Really needs to post more

Where did I say you were a sheep?

 

 

Kazio is pure inactive and repeated his past pattern of popping once in a while to give "analysis" so we can't really guess his alignment. If we're going to lynch town liabilites Kazio can be a good alternative to Rafay.

Well you're not that active too lol

[iSocialism]

too all of this LOL... We literally have nothing. 

[Robert2424]

and they are, though Isoc was a super short post and Kazio mainly responding, let me pull that Day 1 post of your Kazio. 

Also Robert for having a different opinion than everyone instead of sheeping

 Maybe I misread that after rereading that. Maybe Kazio thinks somebody else is Sheeping then? 

[Chaplain of death]

I ignore arguments? I state my opinion, you don't have to like them but I hate arguing, unless I feel it's something important. If I feel me saying will result in nothing, I don't bother saying it, or at least not type it.

I didn't call finster a herd. I called him more of a bull tunneling. (Witch I'm sure he doesn't like). When I speak about "following the herd", I'm speaking about your playstyle. Witch I'm not honestly a fan of. If I didn't have a issue with it, I wouldn't of mentioned it.

 

Oh I see. Trying to actively progress the game and using the information available to me is problematic to you, but lurking and not participating in any way is perfectly okay. Literally the only 2 ways that can be true is if you are scum, or if you have no idea how to play. You have stated multiple times that you believe you are better and more experienced than the majority of players here so I have to assume that it is not the latter. Given that fact, I'd be far more agreeable to a Robert lynch since my vote on Rafay is in lieu of a more suspicious candidate.

 

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Vote: Robert2424

[Lyner]

 

@Kazio, all I've seen you doing this game was calling Rafay a lurker and pushing for his lynch. And that's quite ironic, considering you have the least posts right now. Do you have any other thoughts, on other players for instance? Because for now it seems you're taking easy ride through the game.

Really? Post counts don't mean anything. Except from the one instance I didn't find time to post on D1, I try to post at least one post everyday (or two days max)
I have stated that I find CoD and FB leaning town and I want Rafay dead today to get some info. Maybe we'll see why people tried to delay his death on D1. It's funny how you only voted for me after Lyner pressured you to vote.

I don't see any significant infos obtained from lynching Rafay. Give us some examples.

 

Well you're not that active too lol

Still better

 

too all of this LOL... We literally have nothing. 

How about you actually respond to my questions, or at least try to win, you know, if you're town?

 

 

 

I ignore arguments? I state my opinion, you don't have to like them but I hate arguing, unless I feel it's something important. If I feel me saying will result in nothing, I don't bother saying it, or at least not type it.

I didn't call finster a herd. I called him more of a bull tunneling. (Witch I'm sure he doesn't like). When I speak about "following the herd", I'm speaking about your playstyle. Witch I'm not honestly a fan of. If I didn't have a issue with it, I wouldn't of mentioned it.

 

Oh I see. Trying to actively progress the game and using the information available to me is problematic to you, but lurking and not participating in any way is perfectly okay. Literally the only 2 ways that can be true is if you are scum, or if you have no idea how to play. You have stated multiple times that you believe you are better and more experienced than the majority of players here so I have to assume that it is not the latter. Given that fact, I'd be far more agreeable to a Robert lynch since my vote on Rafay is in lieu of a more suspicious candidate.

 

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Vote: Robert2424

 

Any other opinions regarding the town? It seems you got too focused on Robert since he stated his opinions of each player.

 

I'd like to hear your version of who's the scummiest and whatnot.

 

 

Second one is Lyner - his MO for this entire game seems to be "pressuring lurkers" (while being inactive/ lurking on his own). He voted on Rafay then Kazio, both because they're lurkers (and Kazio's vote was a safe one, noone was pressuring him) and now iSoc. It seems like an easy way to show commitment without much effort. At this point there's not much left, assuming Robert being town and Rafay/iSoc somewhat on the other side of the fence...so I'm left with CoD and SBG (who I'm leaning to be rather town).

During day one we are limited to vote for lurkers, unless someone badly screws up. Don't you agree?

During the start of day two, at the time I voted for him, iSoc wasn't a "lurker" at all. Especially because he refused to respond that I began to nudge him more strongly. So both your points are misguided.

 

Also funny how you put me on the suspect list just right after I prodded you, yet you voted for Kazio instead.

 

AbT is scum this time, guys.

 

Vote: Ali bin Turban

 

 

Going by feelings alone, I'd put Robert and FB as most likely town, while AbT and iSoc, and Kaz as most likely scum. Kaz got into the list because he still haven't actively scumhunt and instead decided to end the day by voting for Rafay. Isoc because, well, see his last post. AbT because the reasons outlined above. This is over simplification so feel free to challenge me on my accusations, so I can elaborate more.

 

Remember that we probably have 3 scums working together to disrupt town movement.

 

Anyway, I think we can have a better picture by thinking in pairs. For example, I think it is highly likely that Robert and CoD can't be on the same scum team, seeing that CoD aggresively accused Robert. If one is scum, the other should be a town, vice versa. There is of course a chance that both players are town. The other pairs would be FB and Rafay, CoD and Rafay,

and to some degree, me and AbT.

[Finster Baby]

Lyner:  I see what you're saying right now, but, absent any power role information that may be available, all we can go on is postings, or lack thereof. 

 

Your analysis makes sense to me, and I'll surely be watching AbT and iSoc more carefully for sure (Been watching iSoc, and have my suspicions.)

 

I will say this tho - as scum, I'm not sure AbT would push for a NL on Day 1 - I'd think if he were scum he'd have let us lynch anyone we wanted, unless he's playing the game well.

 

I'm going to stick with Rafay for now.  He's skating again,  hoping nobody notices him.

[Robert2424]

Well I got him to stop focusing on just rafay and his own agenda is more in the open. I never said I thought I was better then everyone, more experienced yes, but considering my overall win/loss record, I'm not that great. When I've been mafia I've lost 90% of the time. I gotten 3 scums wins here where before that I've only won once ever. Probably why I like being town allot more. So I'm probably maybe an average mafia player at best. I do enjoy the game though.

Really at this point we have little information to go off of. All I know is going no Lynch again is a dumb idea, so worse case rafay is a good option for a Lynch, followed by kazio or Cod. Based solely on activity and gut feeling. ISO would be the only active one I'd truly consider even though his activity has went down the poop shoot and his last post didn't inspire confidence either.

If we want to count players skating by, rafay, isoc, and kazio are definitely fit the flying under the radar with there few posts.

Regardless we have till Sunday to make a decision, so the people who haven't posted a ton still has a chance to pitch in, and everybody will have a chance to say there piece.

[SeaBeeGipson]

@Finister - AbT would surely go for a NL on Day 1 as a scum. Don't overlook this aspect on AbT. He is a good scum player and he definitely plays it well.

@CoD and Robert - It seems you two started as a snowball rolling down hill. I feel you both are producing town behaviors but opposed to each other. I'm glad people are beginning to look out of the Rafay v. FB argument as it is definitely producing a better view on people.

@Isoc - We actually have a handful of informative posts provided to us. Maybe if you helped, we would have more?

[Rafay]

I'm going to stick with Rafay for now.  He's skating again,  hoping nobody notices him.

 

Notice this

 

Vote: FB  

 

This anti-town attitude has been nothing but a distraction and your crusade against me is baseless.

[Chaplain of death]

Well I got him to stop focusing on just rafay and his own agenda is more in the open. I never said I thought I was better then everyone, more experienced yes, but considering my overall win/loss record, I'm not that great. When I've been mafia I've lost 90% of the time. I gotten 3 scums wins here where before that I've only won once ever. Probably why I like being town allot more. So I'm probably maybe an average mafia player at best. I do enjoy the game though.

Really at this point we have little information to go off of. All I know is going no Lynch again is a dumb idea, so worse case rafay is a good option for a Lynch, followed by kazio or Cod. Based solely on activity and gut feeling. ISO would be the only active one I'd truly consider even though his activity has went down the poop shoot and his last post didn't inspire confidence either.

If we want to count players skating by, rafay, isoc, and kazio are definitely fit the flying under the radar with there few posts.

Regardless we have till Sunday to make a decision, so the people who haven't posted a ton still has a chance to pitch in, and everybody will have a chance to say there piece.

 

Its not that I'm focused on Rafay, its that Rafay is LITERALLY THE BEST OPTION in a vacuum of options. He claimed VT, at worst we are losing a VT who refuses to contribute to the town, at best we get rid of a scum. My Agenda, as ever when I am town, is to find the scum and lynch them. 

 

Interesting that you now reverse your opinion on lynching Rafay once scrutiny falls on you. You've been accusing FB with no information and trying to pick apart the Rafay wagon at every turn, and now you say he would be the best option? You again infer that I'm inactive due to one spurt of inactivity over a weekend, seems to me I'm fairly involved in the current conversation and that I'm putting myself into the thick of things and allowing myself to be read. Interesting that you keep trying to push a narrative that paints me as inactive despite the evidence to the contrary. 

 

 

You guys are absolutely horrible at reading posts. So we are going to have a Lynch based off of crap reasoning and when I flip the bodyguard what they going to say? Ops. He should of claimed earlier. Half the people in this game are too inactive mafia are probably the main people who are active or this Lynch wouldn't. Everyone on my bandwagon look VERY scummy and you'll try to throw it off as I didn't try to do anything to help the town. Given my role and so many people doing absolutely nothing and inability to see a obvious soft claim of a bodyguard, but inability or your trying to purposely Lynch a townie. For the next day phase since I hope town will wake up and look at this wagon and see how bad it is.

So either two things, you are too new to the game to get common references or your scum and trying to slide a free Lynch to get one step closer for you winning as scum. There is no inbetween. Either a bad mafia player in general or scum who hoping the majority of the town stays inactive.

Now will the town ignore what I have to say after I'm lynched for piss poor reasoning, and how will they try to defend yourself after I'm lynched and the truth is in light. How will scum attempt to twist this? Or will they ignore the person whose played mafia since 2006?

 

 

So saying you are far more experienced and calling everyone "bad players" doesn't imply that you are better than everyone? hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

 

 

I'm going to stick with Rafay for now.  He's skating again,  hoping nobody notices him.

 

Notice this

 

Vote: FB  

 

This anti-town attitude has been nothing but a distraction and your crusade against me is baseless.

 

 

There's nothing to notice. You are doing exactly what he says. You only post when directly mentioned or a wagon gains momentum and then only to OMGUS whoever is leading the wagon, or to thank people for their baseless defense of you.

You guys are absolutely horrible at reading posts. So we are going to have a Lynch based off of crap reasoning and when I flip the bodyguard what they going to say? Ops. He should of claimed earlier. Half the people in this game are too inactive mafia are probably the main people who are active or this Lynch wouldn't. Everyone on my bandwagon look VERY scummy and you'll try to throw it off as I didn't try to do anything to help the town. Given my role and so many people doing absolutely nothing and inability to see a obvious soft claim of a bodyguard, but inability or your trying to purposely Lynch a townie. For the next day phase since I hope town will wake up and look at this wagon and see how bad it is.

So either two things, you are too new to the game to get common references or your scum and trying to slide a free Lynch to get one step closer for you winning as scum. There is no inbetween. Either a bad mafia player in general or scum who hoping the majority of the town stays inactive.

Now will the town ignore what I have to say after I'm lynched for piss poor reasoning, and how will they try to defend yourself after I'm lynched and the truth is in light. How will scum attempt to twist this? Or will they ignore the person whose played mafia since 2006?

 

[Ali bin Turban]

During day one we are limited to vote for lurkers, unless someone badly screws up. Don't you agree? During the start of day two, at the time I voted for him, iSoc wasn't a "lurker" at all. Especially because he refused to respond that I began to nudge him more strongly. So both your points are misguided. Also funny how you put me on the suspect list just right after I prodded you, yet you voted for Kazio instead.

 

You've conveniently forgot to mention that our small conversation started because I've called you out and not the other way around. You're also trying to manipulate here - I've not mentioned you as my only suspect. I do recall stating few people, so why would I be forced to vote just on you (especially when I've not even listed you first)? Please explain.

Thirdly we're not limited to voting on lurkers...have you suddenly become a follower of KevinH's school of voting on people with the least votes? Above all we should be having conversation to get a feel of each player and make an opinion about them. And that's something you've been trying to avoid, only popping up once in a while to place a vote.

 

too all of this LOL... We literally have nothing. 

Are you kidding me? That's all you have to say?

[iSocialism]

All there is, are opinions. I don't have to agree with anyone's opinion, nor acknowledge them as fact. The only thing we have is to see who butts heads with who. It's d2 just because your talking doesn't mean your town. Certain players can be more talkative then others. Rafay is always a quiet player. This is the most talkative I've seen him been. I'm weary of people pushing his vote because of an easy lynch.

The only thing I have to note is why would people vote for me because of my defense of Rafay? If Rafay is scum, and I'm his scum buddy trying to protect him. Shouldn't you be voting for him first? Or would you prefer me gone first?

[Chaplain of death]

All there is, are opinions. I don't have to agree with anyone's opinion, nor acknowledge them as fact. The only thing we have is to see who butts heads with who. It's d2 just because your talking doesn't mean your town. Certain players can be more talkative then others. Rafay is always a quiet player. This is the most talkative I've seen him been. I'm weary of people pushing his vote because of an easy lynch.

The only thing I have to note is why would people vote for me because of my defense of Rafay? If Rafay is scum, and I'm his scum buddy trying to protect him. Shouldn't you be voting for him first? Or would you prefer me gone first?

 

Rafay isn't just a quiet player. He doesn't contribute to the conversation in any way unless his head is on the block. Its day 2 so you don't have to agree or acknowledge as fact any other persons opinion but you should offer your own and you should vote your suspicions.

[The Warrior]

Reminder:

 

Personal attacks have no place in these games, let alone the IRON forums. Please refrain from attacking another person outside of the confines of the game.

[Ali bin Turban]

Really? Post counts don't mean anything. Except from the one instance I didn't find time to post on D1, I try to post at least one post everyday (or two days max) I have stated that I find CoD and FB leaning town and I want Rafay dead today to get some info. Maybe we'll see why people tried to delay his death on D1. It's funny how you only voted for me after Lyner pressured you to vote.

 

I wouldn't care at all about your post numbers should there be significant quality in those few you've produced. Unfortunately there's not much to read in there. As for the Rafay, if he's a scum then great, we'll have info and will be able to start confirming people and weeding out remaining scum. However this can be told about anyone that will turn out scum. Thing is how to find that scum and better question is "what's probability for this and that guy to turn out to be scum" and also "what happens if he turns out to be a town?".

Have you really answered those questions or are you just pushing it because he's easy target?

[Robert2424]

Reminder:

 

Personal attacks have no place in these games, let alone the IRON forums. Please refrain from attacking another person outside of the confines of the game.

I do agree, but I feel this issue is more with COD feelings towards me, witch is why I said he should PM about it. Carrying something over from another isn't helping. My door is always open to messages. 

[Ali bin Turban]

All there is, are opinions. I don't have to agree with anyone's opinion, nor acknowledge them as fact. The only thing we have is to see who butts heads with who. It's d2 just because your talking doesn't mean your town. Certain players can be more talkative then others. Rafay is always a quiet player. This is the most talkative I've seen him been. I'm weary of people pushing his vote because of an easy lynch.

The only thing I have to note is why would people vote for me because of my defense of Rafay? If Rafay is scum, and I'm his scum buddy trying to protect him. Shouldn't you be voting for him first? Or would you prefer me gone first?

Opinion's like an ass - everyone owns one and most of the time they're different from each other. This shouldn't be however and excuse to hide your own. Rafay's more talkative because he's being constantly pressured (and also on the chopping block currently) so what it probably means is that he's afraid a bit (and it does not tell us if he's a scum or town being afraid of getting lynched).

 

Secondly, you believe Rafay's a town, but when you're being in danger of getting lynched, suddenly you're fine with throwing Rafay under the bus. Why? Is it that so you can say on the next day "I told you"?

[iSocialism]

Where do you gather the "info" of throwing Rafay under the bus. My comment was more towards the people voting for me. Also by a show of hands, who here believes I'm stupid enough to defend Rafay if we are both scum? The best bet to vote for me is the conclusion of me getting close to a town, so when they're lynched it would good for me.

So the argument of Rafay and myself are both scum is ridiculous.
The argument of the buddy system is better, but please why would I pick Rafay. AbT is the most town seeming in my book after day 1. I would have been better picking him.

Also in the case Rafay is scum and I'm town. D1 will be a day dedicated to lynching Rafay.

[Finster Baby]

I'm going to stick with Rafay for now.  He's skating again,  hoping nobody notices him.

 
Notice this
 
Vote: FB  
 
This anti-town attitude has been nothing but a distraction and your crusade against me is baseless.

You're the one anti-town. You contribute NOTHING to the rooting out of scum, and even if you turn up town, I rejoice at your pending death. Your gameplay sucks and I'm sick of it.

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

Rafay (2): Finster Baby, Kaziocore,
Kaziocore (2): Robert2424, Ali bin Turban,
Finster Baby (2): iSocialism, Rafay,
iSocialism (1): SeaBeeGipson,
Robert2424 (1): Chaplain of Death,
Ali bin Turban (1): Lyner,
Chaplain of Death (0):
Lyner (0):
SeaBeeGipson (0):

 

No lynch (0):

Not voting:

 
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is 07:00 EST on Sunday, December 18.