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[Chaplain of death]

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Someone is getting personal outside the confines of the game?

 

 

 

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I do agree, but I feel this issue is more with COD feelings towards me, witch is why I said he should PM about it. Carrying something over from another isn't helping. My door is always open to messages. 

 

 

There is nothing to PM you about. My feelings are not personal, but addressing your play and overall behavior in game. I could list the various reasons why you appear scummy even though it could just be poor play, but evidently to point out potential scum tells is a "personal attack", or so I'm inferring based on his post and your response to it (notice I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you made a misstep as scum and not saying that you are totally inept. If I were doing so I would whole heartedly agree. I'm just using your own boast as evidence in my theory, if you don't like it, don't boast). 

 

In regards to paying attention to past games and behavior, we had this conversation last game or the game before, didn't we? I still think that observing someone's behavior can give you good insight into what they are doing currently. It isn't an end all, it isn't going to win games in and of itself, but its a tool that shouldn't be ignored. I can't ignore it if KevinH suddenly argued for a day one lynch for example, so why should I ignore it if someone else's behavior changes from game to game? Does it give me definitive proof? no, but it does give me another data point to analyze, which is exactly what Mafia is about. Gathering as much information as you can so that you can make the best possible move. 

 

 

 

If I have somehow overstepped my bounds TW then please elaborate for me in private so that we can hash the issue out, otherwise can we get along with the game?

[Robert2424]

Again, its more of you don't think I'm adding anything new, while I don't see you adding anything new either. Course the vote happened after I said I havn't seen you post enough to make an opinion on you yet. I'm not taking it back, and now we are seeing something new from you instead of going with the popular vote again. Witch is a Plus, even if the vote is on me. 

[The Warrior]

 

Reminder:

 

Personal attacks have no place in these games, let alone the IRON forums. Please refrain from attacking another person outside of the confines of the game.

 

Someone is getting personal outside the confines of the game?

 

 

 

Reminder:

 

Personal attacks have no place in these games, let alone the IRON forums. Please refrain from attacking another person outside of the confines of the game.

I do agree, but I feel this issue is more with COD feelings towards me, witch is why I said he should PM about it. Carrying something over from another isn't helping. My door is always open to messages. 

 

 

There is nothing to PM you about. My feelings are not personal, but addressing your play and overall behavior in game. I could list the various reasons why you appear scummy even though it could just be poor play, but evidently to point out potential scum tells is a "personal attack", or so I'm inferring based on his post and your response to it (notice I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you made a misstep as scum and not saying that you are totally inept. If I were doing so I would whole heartedly agree. I'm just using your own boast as evidence in my theory, if you don't like it, don't boast). 

 

In regards to paying attention to past games and behavior, we had this conversation last game or the game before, didn't we? I still think that observing someone's behavior can give you good insight into what they are doing currently. It isn't an end all, it isn't going to win games in and of itself, but its a tool that shouldn't be ignored. I can't ignore it if KevinH suddenly argued for a day one lynch for example, so why should I ignore it if someone else's behavior changes from game to game? Does it give me definitive proof? no, but it does give me another data point to analyze, which is exactly what Mafia is about. Gathering as much information as you can so that you can make the best possible move. 

 

 

 

If I have somehow overstepped my bounds TW then please elaborate for me in private so that we can hash the issue out, otherwise can we get along with the game?

 

The reminder that I posted was posted in lieu of another post someone made and that I subsequently deleted because it was not game related and started to encroach on attacking an individual outside of the game.

 

I will now return to my spectator role in Kevin's game. Sorry Kevin.

[Lyner]

 

During day one we are limited to vote for lurkers, unless someone badly screws up. Don't you agree? During the start of day two, at the time I voted for him, iSoc wasn't a "lurker" at all. Especially because he refused to respond that I began to nudge him more strongly. So both your points are misguided. Also funny how you put me on the suspect list just right after I prodded you, yet you voted for Kazio instead.

 You've conveniently forgot to mention that our small conversation started because I've called you out and not the other way around. You're also trying to manipulate here - I've not mentioned you as my only suspect. I do recall stating few people, so why would I be forced to vote just on you (especially when I've not even listed you first)? Please explain.

Thirdly we're not limited to voting on lurkers...have you suddenly become a follower of KevinH's school of voting on people with the least votes? Above all we should be having conversation to get a feel of each player and make an opinion about them. And that's something you've been trying to avoid, only popping up once in a while to place a vote.

 

I was focusing on day two, but let's see what we could dig on day one.

 

 

Your points:

 

1. "You've conveniently forgot to mention that our small conversation started because I've called you out and not the other way around."

Irrelevant, whether you called me or not I would still post, albeit a little slow, as it is day one and I expect a lot of fluff posts.

 

2. "You're also trying to manipulate here - I've not mentioned you as my only suspect. I do recall stating few people, so why would I be forced to vote just on you (especially when I've not even listed you first)? Please explain."

Now this is missing my main point. It doesn't really matter if you voted for me or Isoc or Kazio. What mattered is that you only started to vote after I called you out (Kazio also pointed this out and you ignored it). The second lesser point is that you only put me on the suspect list also after I called you out.

 

3. "Thirdly we're not limited to voting on lurkers...have you suddenly become a follower of KevinH's school of voting on people with the least votes? Above all we should be having conversation to get a feel of each player and make an opinion about them. And that's something you've been trying to avoid, only popping up once in a while to place a vote."

Eh it might be an exaggeration to say that we're limited to only pressure lurkers, but you get the idea. We're talking about day one here. Opinions almost mean nothing since everyone knows nothing, and vote patterns reveal more information. About the popping up once in a while, see point one. At least I did vote. On this note, I saw something interesting after re-reading your posts:

-You voted for Rafay yet quickly unvote once the wagon built up to L-1. Something doesn't sound right here. I'm pretty sure some of us here (you and me included) are fine with killing Rafay on day one, partly because of his gameplay and partly hoping for him to change his playstyle. You, in particular, have actually encouraged it in past games. But in this game you aren't really tring. Starting from your bold first vote, telling Rafay to contribute to die, to passively defending him here and here, trying to divert attentions to other lurkers (Kazio, and supposedly, me on Day 1).

-You said that in this game we might not have safe nets and could probably only mislynch once, yet all you did during the day one and before I called you out is sitting around having casual conversations, without actually scumhunting and pressuring people with your vote. Contradictory much?

 

 

Probably, both Rafay and AbT are on the same scum team?

 

Anyway @FB, as SGB said (we both have played as scums with AbT), I wouldn't put it past AbT to deliberately direct the town to first day no lynch, to gain townie points.

 

More to come about other events, too tired and RL business

[SeaBeeGipson]

Unvote.

Interested to see how this Lyner and AbT conversation keeps playing out. I feel we as a town should be focusing more on this at the moment.

[Finster Baby]

I'm watching this Lyner/AbT conversation as well.  Tho I won't unvote for Rafay just yet.

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

Rafay (2): Finster Baby, Kaziocore,
Kaziocore (2): Robert2424, Ali bin Turban,
Finster Baby (2): iSocialism, Rafay,
Robert2424 (1): Chaplain of Death,
Ali bin Turban (1): Lyner,
iSocialism (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
Lyner (0):
SeaBeeGipson (0):

No lynch (0):

Not voting: SeaBeeGipson,

 
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is 07:00 EST on Sunday, December 18.

[Robert2424]

That conversation has gathered so much interest you'd think something entertaining was happening.....lol.

[Ali bin Turban]

 

 

During day one we are limited to vote for lurkers, unless someone badly screws up. Don't you agree? During the start of day two, at the time I voted for him, iSoc wasn't a "lurker" at all. Especially because he refused to respond that I began to nudge him more strongly. So both your points are misguided. Also funny how you put me on the suspect list just right after I prodded you, yet you voted for Kazio instead.

 You've conveniently forgot to mention that our small conversation started because I've called you out and not the other way around. You're also trying to manipulate here - I've not mentioned you as my only suspect. I do recall stating few people, so why would I be forced to vote just on you (especially when I've not even listed you first)? Please explain.

Thirdly we're not limited to voting on lurkers...have you suddenly become a follower of KevinH's school of voting on people with the least votes? Above all we should be having conversation to get a feel of each player and make an opinion about them. And that's something you've been trying to avoid, only popping up once in a while to place a vote.

 

I was focusing on day two, but let's see what we could dig on day one.

 

 

Your points:

 

1. "You've conveniently forgot to mention that our small conversation started because I've called you out and not the other way around."

Irrelevant, whether you called me or not I would still post, albeit a little slow, as it is day one and I expect a lot of fluff posts.

 

If it's irrelevant then why did you try to use it as an argument? It sounded nice at first, but when it turned out to be untrue it's irrelevant suddenly.

 

2. "You're also trying to manipulate here - I've not mentioned you as my only suspect. I do recall stating few people, so why would I be forced to vote just on you (especially when I've not even listed you first)? Please explain."

Now this is missing my main point. It doesn't really matter if you voted for me or Isoc or Kazio. What mattered is that you only started to vote after I called you out (Kazio also pointed this out and you ignored it). The second lesser point is that you only put me on the suspect list also after I called you out.

 

I did vote not because you called that, but because I've noticed I'm in fact the last one that didn't vote, except of Rafay at that time (due to KevinH's post which happened to be the last one at the time I came by). Should I really care about your callout, I think I'd try to dodge, argue for a few posts and then place a vote but not simply "obey it".

 

3. "Thirdly we're not limited to voting on lurkers...have you suddenly become a follower of KevinH's school of voting on people with the least votes? Above all we should be having conversation to get a feel of each player and make an opinion about them. And that's something you've been trying to avoid, only popping up once in a while to place a vote."

Eh it might be an exaggeration to say that we're limited to only pressure lurkers, but you get the idea. We're talking about day one here. Opinions almost mean nothing since everyone knows nothing, and vote patterns reveal more information. About the popping up once in a while, see point one. At least I did vote. On this note, I saw something interesting after re-reading your posts:

-You voted for Rafay yet quickly unvote once the wagon built up to L-1. Something doesn't sound right here. I'm pretty sure some of us here (you and me included) are fine with killing Rafay on day one, partly because of his gameplay and partly hoping for him to change his playstyle. You, in particular, have actually encouraged it in past games. But in this game you aren't really tring. Starting from your bold first vote, telling Rafay to contribute to die, to passively defending him here and here, trying to divert attentions to other lurkers (Kazio, and supposedly, me on Day 1).

 

So now you claim we should all stay on that wagon and leaving it when it was hovering on L-1 was a scumtell? Did me leaving somehow put him of the chopping block? Or maybe he was still there because there were just 3 votes required for the lynch at the deadline and the only difference was that noone was able to prematurely finish the day.

What's more you didn't feel that way here. You appeared to be concerned back then and even unvoted too which in your own book is a scumtell. Let me ask you your own question then. Why did you jump of so quickly? There was no risk to suddenly end day anymore...there was actually no way to end that day prematurely anymore and maybe that's the reason.

Sure, I know what you'll say, you went "pressuring lurkers". So you voted your teammate and disappeared for the rest of the day. And no surprise, he didn't care at all about your "pressuring" (And what kind of pressure is that when you can't even be bothered to ask questions? You just vote and leave). Then you came back at the very end of the day and followed the majority, stating it's your preferred choice. My post you've decided to quote then were a common sense then and

 

Now to see your double tongue in full light:

- When you're jumping of the wagon when it's L-2  it's perfectly fine. When I'm jumping of the wagon when it's L-1 that's a scumtell.

- You're pressuring Kazio, I'm just "trying to divert attention to Kazio".

 

-You said that in this game we might not have safe nets and could probably only mislynch once, yet all you did during the day one and before I called you out is sitting around having casual conversations, without actually scumhunting and pressuring people with your vote. Contradictory much?

 

Probably, both Rafay and AbT are on the same scum team?

 

Anyway @FB, as SGB said (we both have played as scums with AbT), I wouldn't put it past AbT to deliberately direct the town to first day no lynch, to gain townie points.

 

More to come about other events, too tired and RL business

 

I'm again accused of not jumping on Rafay at every opportunity. Same thing happened in HP3 (in which SK won), where I wanted to lynch him, yet there were more reasonable options in my opinion (like lynching Lego or going for nolynch) Back then CoD (scum in that game) was using the same arguments to put me in bad light.

 

You also mention we both played as a scum. Yeah and back in HP2 I wasn't sitting calm, but pushing and fighting with half of the town. Quite different then how you descirbe my game now, so what exactly are you using that argument "I was with him as a scum" for? It feels like you're trying to trick others to boost your credibility, "because you have knowledge".

This is indeed my first game when I'm not jumping on everyone with votes, like I did every other game, scum one included. And this is the first one we're sitting at the LYLO doorsteps and I'm quite surprised to see some people jumping haphazardly and tossing their votes without a though about consequences. I'd rather ask questions and be sure about whom I vote on. And no, I don't find yours tactic of "at least popping out" superior.

 

What's more, while you're aware that we're much closer to losing the game than usually, you've no problem with lynching people you "think" are town, because putting us in LYLO is apparently "minimal risk" to you:

 

Rafay is a safe choice for day 1 lynch since he claimed VT, a.k.a. minimal risk to town. So go ahead if you want to vote him. I personally feel that Rafay is town again this time though. As AbT have stated we got a free no lynch with this setup (since there is no SK) so I'd prefer no lynch today. Vote: No Lynch

 

(Source: http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/58629-kh-16-c9-mafia-day-2/page-5#entry889994)
 

You want to see some aggression? Now that I've much strong feeling that you're a scum, here you go:

 

unvote

vote Lyner

[Robert2424]

I actually don't get a scum vibe from Lyner. I am surprised Ali is now voting for Lyner though. 

[Chaplain of death]

 

 

Reminder:

 

Personal attacks have no place in these games, let alone the IRON forums. Please refrain from attacking another person outside of the confines of the game.

 

Someone is getting personal outside the confines of the game?

 

 

 

Reminder:

 

Personal attacks have no place in these games, let alone the IRON forums. Please refrain from attacking another person outside of the confines of the game.

I do agree, but I feel this issue is more with COD feelings towards me, witch is why I said he should PM about it. Carrying something over from another isn't helping. My door is always open to messages. 

 

 

There is nothing to PM you about. My feelings are not personal, but addressing your play and overall behavior in game. I could list the various reasons why you appear scummy even though it could just be poor play, but evidently to point out potential scum tells is a "personal attack", or so I'm inferring based on his post and your response to it (notice I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you made a misstep as scum and not saying that you are totally inept. If I were doing so I would whole heartedly agree. I'm just using your own boast as evidence in my theory, if you don't like it, don't boast). 

 

In regards to paying attention to past games and behavior, we had this conversation last game or the game before, didn't we? I still think that observing someone's behavior can give you good insight into what they are doing currently. It isn't an end all, it isn't going to win games in and of itself, but its a tool that shouldn't be ignored. I can't ignore it if KevinH suddenly argued for a day one lynch for example, so why should I ignore it if someone else's behavior changes from game to game? Does it give me definitive proof? no, but it does give me another data point to analyze, which is exactly what Mafia is about. Gathering as much information as you can so that you can make the best possible move. 

 

 

 

If I have somehow overstepped my bounds TW then please elaborate for me in private so that we can hash the issue out, otherwise can we get along with the game?

 

The reminder that I posted was posted in lieu of another post someone made and that I subsequently deleted because it was not game related and started to encroach on attacking an individual outside of the game.

 

I will now return to my spectator role in Kevin's game. Sorry Kevin.

 

 

Noted. Sorry I mistook what was posted and the response to it as referring to content already in thread which I didn't see as problematic but I can see how a response to it could have escalated. 

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

Rafay (2): Finster Baby, Kaziocore,
Kaziocore (2): Robert2424, Ali bin Turban,
Finster Baby (2): iSocialism, Rafay,
Robert2424 (1): Chaplain of Death,
Ali bin Turban (1): Lyner,
iSocialism (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
Lyner (0):
SeaBeeGipson (0):

No lynch (0):

Not voting: SeaBeeGipson,

 
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is 07:00 EST on Sunday, December 18.

[Ali bin Turban]

I actually don't get a scum vibe from Lyner. I am surprised Ali is now voting for Lyner though. 

I voted him because he feels scummy. If he was a town looking for scums, why would he try to bend the truth so much?

[Lyner]

The quote pyramid is getting too big, let's make it more clearer:

 

 

 

If it's irrelevant then why did you try to use it as an argument? It sounded nice at first, but when it turned out to be untrue it's irrelevant suddenly.

The context is different. Day one and day two are totally different. You poked me to make me active. I poked you because I'm suspecting you.

 

I did vote not because you called that, but because I've noticed I'm in fact the last one that didn't vote, except of Rafay at that time (due to KevinH's post which happened to be the last one at the time I came by). Should I really care about your callout, I think I'd try to dodge, argue for a few posts and then place a vote but not simply "obey it".

You noticed that you are the last one that didn't vote, and because of that you decided to vote? I think that also warrants a suspicion.

Your second statement is almost WIFOM, you might as well be smart scum or a confident town.

So now you claim we should all stay on that wagon and leaving it when it was hovering on L-1 was a scumtell? Did me leaving somehow put him of the chopping block? Or maybe he was still there because there were just 3 votes required for the lynch at the deadline and the only difference was that noone was able to prematurely finish the day.

What's more you didn't feel that way here. You appeared to be concerned back then and even unvoted too which in your own book is a scumtell. Let me ask you your own question then. Why did you jump of so quickly? There was no risk to suddenly end day anymore...there was actually no way to end that day prematurely anymore and maybe that's the reason.

Sure, I know what you'll say, you went "pressuring lurkers". So you voted your teammate and disappeared for the rest of the day. And no surprise, he didn't care at all about your "pressuring" (And what kind of pressure is that when you can't even be bothered to ask questions? You just vote and leave). Then you came back at the very end of the day and followed the majority, stating it's your preferred choice. My post you've decided to quote then were a common sense then and

 

Now to see your double tongue in full light:

- When you're jumping of the wagon when it's L-2  it's perfectly fine. When I'm jumping of the wagon when it's L-1 that's a scumtell.

- You're pressuring Kazio, I'm just "trying to divert attention to Kazio".

You're putting words into my statements here. See the differences between your "unvote" and mine.

Yours:

- Because Rafay is almost lynched (L-1)

- Because you're afraid that lynching lurkers might be detrimental to town.

Mine:

- Because Rafay showed more activity this game.

- Because I wanted to pressure the other lurker (Kazio), with vote.

 

In contrast, all you did this time around was just stating the facts and implications, without any real solutions or scum hunting (I welcome all townies to search and check his posts). I think that was my general impression that lead me to all this details. You didn't feel like trying to find the scums this game.

 

Before I get too deep on the last part of your argument. Let me get this straight, are you seriously accusing that I and Kazio are part of the mafia? 

 

 

I'm again accused of not jumping on Rafay at every opportunity. Same thing happened in HP3 (in which SK won), where I wanted to lynch him, yet there were more reasonable options in my opinion (like lynching Lego or going for nolynch) Back then CoD (scum in that game) was using the same arguments to put me in bad light.

 

You also mention we both played as a scum. Yeah and back in HP2 I wasn't sitting calm, but pushing and fighting with half of the town. Quite different then how you descirbe my game now, so what exactly are you using that argument "I was with him as a scum" for? It feels like you're trying to trick others to boost your credibility, "because you have knowledge".

 

The townies will be the judge of that.

 

This is indeed my first game when I'm not jumping on everyone with votes, like I did every other game, scum one included. And this is the first one we're sitting at the LYLO doorsteps and I'm quite surprised to see some people jumping haphazardly and tossing their votes without a though about consequences. I'd rather ask questions and be sure about whom I vote on. And no, I don't find yours tactic of "at least popping out" superior.

 

What's more, while you're aware that we're much closer to losing the game than usually, you've no problem with lynching people you "think" are town, because putting us in LYLO is apparently "minimal risk" to you:

 

The problem with "asking questions and be sure about whom I vote on" without actually voting on the person is, well, it's not very effective. Rafay and iSoc are the prime examples. See what happened when I try to poke you with a vote? I could actually change my opinion after this discussion, so the better strategy would be "vote and ask for questions so we can be sure about whom we vote on".

 

Another misinterpretation again on the last statement. It's not the lynch/no lynch, it's about Rafay. At the time he is:

- A self claimed VT

- A Lurker

- Is infamous for small contributions

I stand by my statement, he is the minimal risk choice if we decided to lynch someone on day one. The only basis for my feel that Rafay is town is purely because of his increased activity. Well that didn't last long.

 

 

 

Anyway it's almost deadline. Better make your choice, townies. Wouldn't want a sudden wagon popping on the last day.

I'm fine with lynching AbT/Rafay/iSoc/Kazio.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Given how this discussion has been going, I'm getting more and more suspicious of AbT. I still have suspicious feelings towards Isocialism still. Rafay and FB at this point I believe are 2 townies in a disagreement.

Vote AbT

Like I stated earlier, I think out of all the discussions D2 has presented this is our most beneficial to focus on. While I'm not in complete agreement with Lyner's style. I'm suspicious of his willingness to lynch Rafay despite him thinking he is a town. This doesn't scream out scum but more keep an eye on him for me. I just feel reading over AbT's style this game it presents itself as a more careful AbT trying to keep a town look.

Looks like everyone has casted a vote as well if I kept track correctly with no one at the 3 vote deadline limit.

[Robert2424]

I do feel Kazio is attempting more to contributing to the conversation now, So I'll

 

Unvote

 

I Feel Isoc is getting a free pass right now. People have asked him questions and he's avoided, he seems to know more then he's saying (Could be wrong), and I don't like his last few posts, They are unhelpful safe posts. Therefore, to prevent Isoc from getting a free ride and since he's my top suspect atim, 

 

Vote Isoc

[Chaplain of death]

Given how this discussion has been going, I'm getting more and more suspicious of AbT. I still have suspicious feelings towards Isocialism still. Rafay and FB at this point I believe are 2 townies in a disagreement.

Vote AbT

Like I stated earlier, I think out of all the discussions D2 has presented this is our most beneficial to focus on. While I'm not in complete agreement with Lyner's style. I'm suspicious of his willingness to lynch Rafay despite him thinking he is a town. This doesn't scream out scum but more keep an eye on him for me. I just feel reading over AbT's style this game it presents itself as a more careful AbT trying to keep a town look.

Looks like everyone has casted a vote as well if I kept track correctly with no one at the 3 vote deadline limit.

 

I can't speak to the rest of his behavior since tbh I've fallen a bit behind on the exchange between AbT and Lyner, however I have to say that Lyner is not wrong about Rafay being the safest option for the town right now.

 

1) He doesn't contribute. Theory tested repeatedly, results always the same, people need to stop acting like it is gonna suddenly change when hes done nothing to indicate that it will.

2) His claim is VT, so at worst we lose a Vanilla townie who, again, is lurking.

3) There's nothing to prove that his claim is legit, he could in fact be a scum, which I'm believing more and more considering there was a large wagon on him and then it disintegrated and several people are grasping at straws to start other wagons (scum who were voting a teammate to distance themselves and then jumped ship when they almost lynched him? Possibly).

 

Meanwhile anyone else we lynch would be a slightly informed guess who could be a power role, or could contribute later (even the other lurkers in the game could be because they are trying to lay low for a power role claim tomorrow, none of them have a long history of lurking game in and game out without contributing).

 

Unvote

 

Vote Rafay

 

Still watching you Robert but for now I'll write it off as impassioned arguing between townies, and besides, we need to lynch SOMEONE today, and Rafay is the lowest risk.

[Robert2424]

At this point a Isoc lynch is just as good as Rafay, but if nobody wants a Isoc Lynch, I could switch to Rafay. Isoc is starting to pull a Rafay with his posts now. 

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

Rafay (3): Finster Baby, Kaziocore, Chaplain of Death,
Finster Baby (2): iSocialism, Rafay,
Ali bin Turban (2): Lyner, SeaBeeGipson,
Kaziocore (1): Ali bin Turban,
iSocialism (1): Robert2424,
Robert2424 (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
Lyner (0):
SeaBeeGipson (0):

No lynch (0):

Not voting:

 
With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is 07:00 EST on Sunday, December 18.

[Finster Baby]

I still feel Rafay is the best option to lynch - one for his continued inactivity and non-contributory posts in this game, and for his overall gameplay style. We need active players, not skaters.

I'd like to see more from 1Soc. AbT still has my attention as potential scum, along with iSoc (tho I'd like to avoid the OMGUS appearance.)

Lastly, I said this before, but if the cop wants to investigate me, feel free. You'll find my motives are purely pro-town.