C9++ include some variation of the following roles:

Vanilla Townie, Town Cop, Town 1-Shot Cop, Town Doctor, Town 1-Shot Doctor, Town Vigilante, Town 1-Shot Vigilante, Town Innocent Child, Town Mason, Town Roleblocker, Town 1-Shot Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Godfather, Serial Killer

 

The setup was randomly generated as specified for 13 players.  A serial killer and 2 vanilla townies were deleted.
 

Vanilla Townie

• Welcome, [Player Name], you are a Vanilla Townie.

Abilities:

• Your weapon is your vote, you have no night actions.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

 

 
Players
The Warrior, Vigilante, killed Night 1.

Rafay, Mafia Roleblocker, lynched Day 2.

Lyner, Mason, killed Night 2.

iSocialism, Vanilla Townie, lynched Day 3.

Ali bin Turban, Mafia Goon, lynched Day 4.
Kaziocore, Mafia Godfather, lynched Day 5.

Chaplain of Death, Cop
Finster Baby, Vanilla Townie
Robert2424, Mason
SeaBeeGipson, Vanilla Townie

Rules

• During the Day phase, each player may speak and vote inthread.
• If a player receives the majority of the available votes during the Day, they are lynched.
• At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched; the first player to reach the most votes over half-majority will be lynched in the event of a tie.
• You may vote No Lynch.
• After the Day, the game goes to Night.
• The game thread is closed during the Night. The Mafia may speak to each other at Night.
• All Active Roles may submit actions via PM at Night.
• The Mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at Night.
• After the Night, the game goes to Day.
• All dead players (lynched or killed) can no longer participate in the game.
• Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)
• The game is won when only one faction remains in the game, or nothing can prevent the same.
• Mass role-claiming is allowed

Game Days will last as many real-life days as there are players alive.
Game Nights will last 48 hours but will include at least one weekday.

Given how this discussion has been going, I'm getting more and more suspicious of AbT. I still have suspicious feelings towards Isocialism still. Rafay and FB at this point I believe are 2 townies in a disagreement.

 

Vote AbT

 

Like I stated earlier, I think out of all the discussions D2 has presented this is our most beneficial to focus on. While I'm not in complete agreement with Lyner's style. I'm suspicious of his willingness to lynch Rafay despite him thinking he is a town. This doesn't scream out scum but more keep an eye on him for me. I just feel reading over AbT's style this game it presents itself as a more careful AbT trying to keep a town look.

 

Looks like everyone has casted a vote as well if I kept track correctly with no one at the 3 vote deadline limit.

 

I can't speak to the rest of his behavior since tbh I've fallen a bit behind on the exchange between AbT and Lyner, however I have to say that Lyner is not wrong about Rafay being the safest option for the town right now.

 

1) He doesn't contribute. Theory tested repeatedly, results always the same, people need to stop acting like it is gonna suddenly change when hes done nothing to indicate that it will.

2) His claim is VT, so at worst we lose a Vanilla townie who, again, is lurking.

3) There's nothing to prove that his claim is legit, he could in fact be a scum, which I'm believing more and more considering there was a large wagon on him and then it disintegrated and several people are grasping at straws to start other wagons (scum who were voting a teammate to distance themselves and then jumped ship when they almost lynched him? Possibly).

 

Meanwhile anyone else we lynch would be a slightly informed guess who could be a power role, or could contribute later (even the other lurkers in the game could be because they are trying to lay low for a power role claim tomorrow, none of them have a long history of lurking game in and game out without contributing).

 

Unvote

 

Vote Rafay

 

Still watching you Robert but for now I'll write it off as impassioned arguing between townies, and besides, we need to lynch SOMEONE today, and Rafay is the lowest risk.

At this point a Isoc lynch is just as good as Rafay, but if nobody wants a Isoc Lynch, I could switch to Rafay. Isoc is starting to pull a Rafay with his posts now. 

 

Vote Count:

Rafay (3): Finster Baby, Kaziocore, Chaplain of Death,

Finster Baby (2): iSocialism, Rafay,

Ali bin Turban (2): Lyner, SeaBeeGipson,

Kaziocore (1): Ali bin Turban,

iSocialism (1): Robert2424,

Robert2424 (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Lyner (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

 

No lynch (0):

 

Not voting:

 

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 07:00 EST on Sunday, December 18.

I still feel Rafay is the best option to lynch - one for his continued inactivity and non-contributory posts in this game, and for his overall gameplay style. We need active players, not skaters.

 

I'd like to see more from 1Soc. AbT still has my attention as potential scum, along with iSoc (tho I'd like to avoid the OMGUS appearance.)

 

Lastly, I said this before, but if the cop wants to investigate me, feel free. You'll find my motives are purely pro-town.

FB is right, if we are just going for a lynch. Rafay would be the better target. We would be better off hitting scum, but the likelyhood right now is low. It would be based off of gut feelings, ideas, and agreements more then anything else. We just have to realize that tonight we have a high possibility of losing a PR, and the info he carries. This is not a notion for anyone to come out, unless you have without a doubt scum target. The town is game is leaning for a lynch and Rafay is now a distraction, and a safe bet to not a PR.

 

Vote Rafay

 

My only defense for him was more not letting scum use him for a quick easy lynch. If he turns out scum. Then I was wrong and should be considered for a lynch tomorrow.

I understand the safe aspect to Rafay but if everyone views him as town, why risk lynching a town?

He claims to be town, however, he hasn't proven it by his posts, and he certainly isn't scum hunting.

I don't consider him town. I consider him to have the same chances as everyone else of being scum. The only difference is that if he is NOT scum, then hes only a VT.

I don't consider him town. I consider him to have the same chances as everyone else of being scum. The only difference is that if he is NOT scum, then hes only a VT.

He claims to be town, however, he hasn't proven it by his posts, and he certainly isn't scum hunting.

Fair points. I was under the assumption everyone thought he was town and was really confused by the votes.

 

You're putting words into my statements here. See the differences between your "unvote" and mine.

Yours:

- Because Rafay is almost lynched (L-1)

- Because you're afraid that lynching lurkers might be detrimental to town.

Mine:

- Because Rafay showed more activity this game.

- Because I wanted to pressure the other lurker (Kazio), with vote.

 

In contrast, all you did this time around was just stating the facts and implications, without any real solutions or scum hunting (I welcome all townies to search and check his posts). I think that was my general impression that lead me to all this details. You didn't feel like trying to find the scums this game.

 

Before I get too deep on the last part of your argument. Let me get this straight, are you seriously accusing that I and Kazio are part of the mafia? 

 

Now you're putting words into my statements. I unvoted because Rafay was almost lynched. That's all, period.

 

That post you've trying to push into the context is unrelated thought I've been repeating for some time (that's exactly the same thing I've been arguing with Rhizo about last game, when he was trying to direct a lynch on lurkers/inactives). It shouldn't be the role of the town to punish those that don't want to play (since it most of the time we lynch inactive town - and that's a historical fact) but the role of a mod to replace such person. And this (replacing) is actually a better solution than blindly shooting around.

 

Secondly those "differences" means nothing and are just a tool for you to bend the truth around. For example should I say back in those posts that Rafay is more active and therefore we should look at others less active, you'd be quoting them right now to say I was trying protecting him.

 

 

I welcome town to take a look back and check my posts...and it's funny when you say I'm not proposing any solutions and to reinforce that point you quote my D1 post when I'm proposing objectively the best solution, that keeps town longer in play.

Also, are you seriously asking about Kazio? Is now placing a lone vote on someone during D1 meaning anything?

 

The problem with "asking questions and be sure about whom I vote on" without actually voting on the person is, well, it's not very effective. Rafay and iSoc are the prime examples. See what happened when I try to poke you with a vote? I could actually change my opinion after this discussion, so the better strategy would be "vote and ask for questions so we can be sure about whom we vote on".

 

Agreed and that's what I meant when I said I've noticed I'm the last one not putting a vote. While rushing straight with the vote may have a detrimental effect (like FB did when starting D2), when everyone is voting, just sitting and asking is a waste of time, since at that point it won't have the same power.

 

Another misinterpretation again on the last statement. It's not the lynch/no lynch, it's about Rafay. At the time he is:

- A self claimed VT

- A Lurker

- Is infamous for small contributions

I stand by my statement, he is the minimal risk choice if we decided to lynch someone on day one. The only basis for my feel that Rafay is town is purely because of his increased activity. Well that didn't last long.

 

You know exactly what I've said. It wasn't at all about lynch/no lynch. It was about you stating that you felt he's a town and yet you had nothing against lynching him. No matter how you'll try to explain this, unless you felt everyone is a town, being OK with lynching someone who you feel is town is not a good play.

 

Oh, and apparently the D2 lynch is now decided. Now we can just hope it's a correct choice.

I still count one vote short, but if nothing happens between now and the end of the day phase and be the hammer vote.

 

Ali made me reread the thread.....lol.

If Rafay flips scums and I got killed tonight, please kill AbT.

 

If Rafay flips town I probably won't get killed, so let's continue this.

 

My townliness tier in case I'm dead (towniest to scummiest):

1. Robert and FB

2. CoD and SBG

Middle point:

1. Kazio

Dangerous zone:

1. AbT and iSoc

Vote Count:

Rafay (4): Finster Baby, Kaziocore, Chaplain of Death, iSocialism,

Ali bin Turban (2): Lyner, SeaBeeGipson,

Finster Baby (1): Rafay,

Kaziocore (1): Ali bin Turban,

iSocialism (1): Robert2424,

Robert2424 (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Lyner (0):

SeaBeeGipson (0):

 

No lynch (0):

 

Not voting:

 

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch, or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is 07:00 EST on Sunday, December 18.

I don't think you have much to worry about Lyner, if scum keep up the lets off the active players, I imagine I'm next. 

Well, people have resigned to Rafay being lynched. I'll do the hammer Vote here since nobody else seems willing. He'll be lynched anyways, but Isoc is still my top suspect. 

 

Unvote

 

Vote Rafay

Vote Count:

Rafay (5): Finster Baby, Kaziocore, Chaplain of Death, iSocialism, Robert2424,
Ali bin Turban (2): Lyner, SeaBeeGipson,
Finster Baby (1): Rafay,
Kaziocore (1): Ali bin Turban,
iSocialism (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
Lyner (0):
SeaBeeGipson (0):

 

No lynch (0):

Not voting:

 
Rafay, Mafia Roleblocker, has been lynched.

It is now Night 2.

Please send all actions to me by 07:00 EST Tuesday, December 20.

Night 2 passes.

 

The players ponder their own existance.  

 

"Were we just put here by chance?" becomes a very heavy question when the answer is known to be true.

 

The existential attitude is a sense of disorientation, confusion, or dread in the face of an apparently meaningless or absurd world.

 

And with those thoughts in mind, they discover ...

 

Lyner, Mason, has been killed in the night.

 

 

It is now Day 3.

 

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch, or 2 at deadline.

Deadline is Tuesday, December 27, at 7:00 EST.

Vote Count:

Ali bin Turban (0):
Finster Baby (0):
Kaziocore (0):
iSocialism (0):
Robert2424 (0):
Chaplain of Death (0):
SeaBeeGipson (0):

 

No lynch (0):

Not voting: Finster Baby, Kaziocore, Chaplain of Death, iSocialism, Robert2424, SeaBeeGipson, Ali bin Turban,

Told you I did.

 

Now, Lyner was lynched overnight.  Him and AbT went at it, now he's dead.  Did his commentary hit too close to home?

FOS:  AbT.  Also, iSoc.

If Rafay flips scums and I got killed tonight, please kill AbT.

 

If Rafay flips town I probably won't get killed, so let's continue this.

 

My townliness tier in case I'm dead (towniest to scummiest):

1. Robert and FB

2. CoD and SBG

Middle point:

1. Kazio

Dangerous zone:

1. AbT and iSoc

From the grave.  Lyner was a mason. This means there was a group of people he could communicate with and know they weren't scum. 

 

Based on this list, I'm going to guess at least 2 the "towniest" are masons, among Robert, CoD, and SBG.  I am not one.  I will vouch for my town bona fides tho.

 

Looks worse for AbT and iSoc.

@KevinH another question about how you approached setup. You said you deleted the SK and 2 townies, does that mean that you generated your setup with x T results, which gave you the scum team roles, and then deleted 2 townies? or did you delete the townies BEFORE generating scum roles (AKA T results -2 for scum roles)?

or did you get your results and just fill in with less vanilla townies?

Lets utilize Lyner's list for a moment.

FB claims to not be a mason, but his early lead on the Rafay lynch puts him pretty well into the town alignment. Assuming 2 more masons on the list, I'm willing to bet Robert and CoD are both townies alongside myself.

 

This leaves Kazio, Isoc, and AbT.

 

Assuming 2 more scums, we have a pretty comfortable situation with 2 theories and courses of action.

 

1) Lyner hit too close to home. AbT killed him. AbT is scum. I believe we have 1 mislynch left. We lynch AbT. He comes up town, we move to Isoc and Kazio.

 

2) AbT is town and Kazio/Isoc used a lyner kill to frame him. Going this path assumes AbT is town so we kill Isoc, then Kazio. If either comes up town, we kill AbT.

 

I feel safest going with #1 as I'm pretty sure AbT is scum at this point and got rid of Lyner to use the "why would I kill the person voting me" excuse.

 

Vote AbT

 

If we come up wrong here, we can be assured it is the 2nd theory and Isoc/Kazio are remaining scum.

The other mason should RC imo. Even if there is a counter claim and we guess wrong, it will end up confirming a scum. We are 5v2 right now, if we mislynch on a fake claim we'd be at 2v1 after lynching the correct person. If we guess right then we'll be at 4v1 tomorrow.

NOOOO LYNER! Damn it. Well we were planing on Claiming today Reguardless. 

 

I was Lyners Mason partner. There was only us in the mason group as Kevin said only 2 M were rolled. He also said if only one M was rolled, that person would be a Innocent Townie. I was hoping we both make it to today. 

 

I doubt a scum would attempt to fake claim Lyner as there Mason partner. That being said, lyner had a guess on what the setup was as well. His guess on the setup was MMVVTTT

 

his top suspect we lightly discussed last night was  AbT, iSoc, SBG. He was thinking there are 2 vannila goons left and I entirly agree with him. 

 

 

That being said, Finster Tunneling scum for 2 straight days makes him almost of a confirmed townie. 

 

isoc is still atop my scum list. If he also going to participate as much as Rafay did, He is probally the one I'd go after. I doubt Ali would purposly kill Lyner after he was all over him yesterday. It looks like almost like a frame to kill off ali. But I do suspect him. Lets review what we got first. 

Kazio hasn't been very active, but when he was, he voted for Rafay Early and kept it on most of the day. I woudln't imagine Kazio could be with a Rafay scum team. He should be more active in general though. He gets town points for being on for so long, but I worry about his activity. 

 

Isoc did defend Rafay and besides that, hasn't really commited much to anything, since day 1 really. He was nonfactor for day 2 in general. 

 

Ali even though it was sound logic, got the Rafay bandwagon to not happen on day one. Even though I entirely agree with the reasoning. 

 

If we are going off people defending Rafay we got Isoc and Ali on the short list. 

 

SBG, mainly goes with the flow mainly. He also suspected my Mason partner early on. 

 

COD, well, no matter what I say, me and him went at it a bit yesterday again. I still have a light suspicion on him, but since he was heavily on Rafay both days, he gets townie points. 

 

So I'm looking at Isoc as the main suspect and Ali as the second. 

 

Vote Isoc

 

Your up first. As I imagine without pressure he won't post.