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I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was.

To catch them is my real test, to maim them is my cause!

I will travel across the thread searching far and wide,

Teach the Mafia to understand, there is nowhere to hide!

Mafia!

Gotta Catch 'em all!

It's you and me, I know it's my destiny!

Mafia!

Oh, you might be my friend,

But please don't stab me in the rear end!

Mafia!

Intent so true? Our courage will pull us through,

You watch me and I'll follow you,

Mafia!

Gotta catch 'em all!

Gotta catch 'em all!

MAFIA!

 

Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Ascetic, Bodyguard, Bulletproof, Commuter, Cop, Cupid, Doctor, Enabler, FBI Agent, Flavor Cop, Follower, Framer, Friendly Neighbor, Godfather, Goon, Gunsmith, Hider, Innocent Child, Jack-of-All-Trades, Jailkeeper, Jester, Mafia Encryptor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Ninja, Nurse, Nymphomaniac, Role Cop, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Strongman, Super Saint, Tailor, Tracker, Traitor, Universal Backup, Vanilla Cop, Vigilante, Vanilla Townie, Vengeful, Voyeur, Watcher, Watchlisted Townie, Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie

 

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Various Sanities, Weak, X-Shot

 

Quote

Sample Role PM said:

 

You are Pidgey, a normal Pokemon. Your power is in your vote.

 

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

 

 

Players:

 

1. Ali bin Turban
2. Atliis (Blastoise), a Skull-Basher (Macho Cop), has been knocked out on night 4.
3. Brewersalliance (Venusaur), a town Constrict-er (Jailkeeper), has been knocked out on night 7.
4. Canik (Chansey), a town Heal Pulser (Doctor) has been knocked out on night 2.
5. Colonel Medved (Rhydon), a 2-Shot Mafia Strength-er (Strongman), has been lynched on day 5.
6. Darkfox
7. Jazzy95
8. KevinH (Gengar), a mafia Destiny Bond-er (Super Saint), has been knocked out on day 6.
9. Kitkat16 (Hypno), a Mafia Confusion-er (Tailor), has been lynched on day 7.
10. Lachiton
11. Lord MK (Arcanine), a 1-shot town Extreme Speeder (Commuter) has been knocked out on day 4.
12. Mandarijn (Electabuzz), a town Leer-er (Vanilla Townie), has been knocked out on day 6.
13. Rafay (Machamp), a town Substituter (Bodyguard), has been knocked out on day 3.
14. Rhizoctonia
15. Samus Canik v.2 (Snorlax), a Rest-er (Ascetic), has been badly burned on night 4.
16. SeaBeeGipson
17. Yehom

Rules:

• During the day phase each player may speak and vote in-thread.
• If a player receives the majority of the available votes during the day, they are lynched.
• At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched.
• If two players have reached half-majority and have the same number of votes, the player who reached that number of votes first will be lynched.
• You may vote no lynch.
• After the day, the game goes to night.
• The game thread is closed during the night. The mafia may speak to each other at night.
• All active roles may submit actions via PM at night.
• The mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at night.
• After the night, the game goes to day.
• All dead players (lynched or killed) can no longer participate in the game.
• Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)
• The game is won when only one faction remains in the game.
• Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.
• You may pm me questions or ask them in the game thread but you may not get an answer to some things.
• When voting, please enter your vote on a separate line of your post so that it isn't easily missed.

 

• Active Participation Rule:
  All live players must make a minimum of 3 posts in the game thread per game day. Any player who does not meet the 3 post minimum on a given day will be subject to being mod-killed unless a legitimate reason for the lack of posting is communicated privately to the game mod. (In the event that something comes up that will prevent you from playing actively, please alert the mod so that a potential replacement can be found.) If multiple players have not met the post minimum on a given day, the player with the fewest overall posts will be mod-killed.

 

Game days will last seven days until there are fewer than seven players remaining. Then they will last as many days as there are players left.

Game Nights will last 48 hours.

 

 

  Sure we could have the cop (if there is one) investigate him, but then if he comes up as innocent, the cop is at risk of dying if ABT is killed.

How would the cop be at risk? Having been targeted last game (where TW took over afterwards) by a lover role (nympho/cupid) only the target(s) are effected. Anyone afterwards isn't, it doesn't operate like a chain reaction. 

 

as of now I am leaning towards the best plan isnt to kill him now but have the cop investigate him

 

With that being said if ABT is telling the truth, killing him means anyone who targeted him n1 would also die, and anyone who does in the future will also die. 

Above, you think it does operate like a chain reaction, yet still want the cop (one of town's most valuable roles) to investigate AbT and place the cop in danger? I don't follow the logic there.

 

The only problem I see where the cop is in danger is if a watcher exists for the scum and targets AbT WHILE a cop investigates. AbT claiming put a target on his back from several aspects, and we should be aware of them before jumping on who should do what. Would be a pretty smart move from scum to lay the bait for that and draw the cop out early though, right?
 

FoS Brewers 

 

  Sure we could have the cop (if there is one) investigate him, but then if he comes up as innocent, the cop is at risk of dying if ABT is killed.

 

How would the cop be at risk? Having been targeted last game (where TW took over afterwards) by a lover role (nympho/cupid) only the target(s) are effected. Anyone afterwards isn't, it doesn't operate like a chain reaction. 

 

 

as of now I am leaning towards the best plan isnt to kill him now but have the cop investigate him

 

With that being said if ABT is telling the truth, killing him means anyone who targeted him n1 would also die, and anyone who does in the future will also die. 

 

Above, you think it does operate like a chain reaction, yet still want the cop (one of town's most valuable roles) to investigate AbT and place the cop in danger? I don't follow the logic there.

 

The only problem I see where the cop is in danger is if a watcher exists for the scum and targets AbT WHILE a cop investigates. AbT claiming put a target on his back from several aspects, and we should be aware of them before jumping on who should do what. Would be a pretty smart move from scum to lay the bait for that and draw the cop out early though, right?

 

FoS Brewers 

 

 

 

Where have you been?  So far we do not have evidence/confirmation him being targeted by cupid means anyone who uses their ability all game long will become lovers, or just solely anyone who targeted him N1.  

 

 

  Sure we could have the cop (if there is one) investigate him, but then if he comes up as innocent, the cop is at risk of dying if ABT is killed.

 

How would the cop be at risk? Having been targeted last game (where TW took over afterwards) by a lover role (nympho/cupid) only the target(s) are effected. Anyone afterwards isn't, it doesn't operate like a chain reaction. 

 

 

as of now I am leaning towards the best plan isnt to kill him now but have the cop investigate him

 

With that being said if ABT is telling the truth, killing him means anyone who targeted him n1 would also die, and anyone who does in the future will also die. 

 

Above, you think it does operate like a chain reaction, yet still want the cop (one of town's most valuable roles) to investigate AbT and place the cop in danger? I don't follow the logic there.

 

The only problem I see where the cop is in danger is if a watcher exists for the scum and targets AbT WHILE a cop investigates. AbT claiming put a target on his back from several aspects, and we should be aware of them before jumping on who should do what. Would be a pretty smart move from scum to lay the bait for that and draw the cop out early though, right?

 

FoS Brewers 

 

 

 

Where have you been?  So far we do not have evidence/confirmation him being targeted by cupid means anyone who uses their ability all game long will become lovers, or just solely anyone who targeted him N1.  

 

This is what I based everything on:

 

 

 

@TW

1. Is the cupid role taken from the Greater Idea Mafia?

2. About night actions resolution. Mafia sends a cupid to visit me and also let's assume they try to kill me on the same night. Would everyone that visited me that night be killed (except for cupid), including the mafia guy delivering the kill?

3. Could cupid visit someone and at the same time deliver a kill?

I will neither confirm nor deny the existence of any role in this game, but my general interpretation of the cupid role would be the same as that of the role in the "Greater Idea" game.

 

My scum philosophy is that a scum player would be able to use a kill and use any role they might have on the same night.

 

 

 

@TW

1. Is the cupid role taken from the Greater Idea Mafia?

2. About night actions resolution. Mafia sends a cupid to visit me and also let's assume they try to kill me on the same night. Would everyone that visited me that night be killed (except for cupid), including the mafia guy delivering the kill?

3. Could cupid visit someone and at the same time deliver a kill?

I will neither confirm nor deny the existence of any role in this game, but my general interpretation of the cupid role would be the same as that of the role in the "Greater Idea" game.

 

My scum philosophy is that a scum player would be able to use a kill and use any role they might have on the same night.

 

ummm where did everything go that i justed typed for the last ten min

lets try this again:

 

okay so here is what the greater idea mafia says about the cupid:

 

• Cupid: During Night 1, you may PM me the name of another player. Every player that targets this player (except you) will become Lovers with them.

 

And now that I read this, it seems really ambigious.  At first i assumed that it meant at any time a player targets them they are lovers, but now I am not entirely sure if it just refers to n1 or every night

 

And for what SBG said,  I suggested that option since I am leaning toward ABT lying.  Right now since the mod wont give us more details on the cupid role, we have two ways to figure out if he is lying.  Option 1-kill him and risk taking out multiple townies at once (if he is telling the truth)  or have the cop investigate.  I think the cop investigating is a little safer of the option.  Sure it puts the cop at risk if he is telling the truth, but if we lynch him, we could be putting multiple power roles at risk already.  Also if the lovers only applies to n1, then the future investigation of the cop has no risk.  obviously we dont know if it is or if it isnt the case for when it goes into effect.  If the cop investigates and he is guilty, well then we know he is lying and we can lynch him.  If he comes up as innocent, the cop doesnt need to say anything, and the cop goes unknown, and then TP can go on ABT, thus preventing the chain link kills if ABT were to die (assuming that u become a lover even after n1).  Like I said, rock or hard place, but with the feeling that ABT is probably lying, I feel the investigation route is the best way to go.   

Vote: Lord MK

 

I've now see you post multiple times, yet the most pressing issue at hand you just quite spectacularly manage to dodge every single time. You make it look like you're active, while simultaneously not participating with the discussion. That's some bs fluffing if I've ever seen it, so I'm voting for you until you've made an actual contribution to issue at hand, because as of right now you're just dancing around it 

Oh crap, I could swear and bet all my tech, that I saw word 'Cupid' in my message, but reading it now again I see there's only information I've been struck with the lovers effect. That's quite a blunder .

 

 

Anyway, my train of thought was as follow:

1. Cupid is most likely a scum role. It's useless for the town (positive scenario for the town is so much less likely to happen than positive scenario for the scum) and one being a town would be a fool to fire it randomly.
2. If Cupid was scum, then scum already know what happened. Only people that didn't know were town so it was in best town's interest to let them know. Keeping the knowledge for myself would just mean me ending dead with a chance of some others being dead too and town being confused what's going on.

People, imagine you've been hit by cupid and mafia knows it. Wouldn't you warn the town of what happened?

 

Being a town only logical action for me would be to report being hit by the cupid to warn town (again mafia already knows).

Being a scum why would I go talking about it at all? Have anyone voted on me? Have anyone suspected me of something? Were I under any pressure? Why would I even go that route? To grab unwanted attention?

 

 

 

However, as I mentioned it turns out I don't know if I was hit by cupid. It could very well be a nymphomaniac (but still, there are better targets around, ones that tend to survive longer) and in that case announcing it was a stupid move.

 

Still the reaction of some people is very, very interesting.

 

1. Brewers seems to be very doubtful about about the cupid role, up to the point of asking how did I know I was target by him and putting a lot of thoughts into possibility of cupid being a town role. Like if he knows something we don't know (that there's no mafia cupid in game).

 

2. KevinH fishing for a possible lover here . Why would anyone in his right mind come out and say so? Right now, if there's anyone else we still could be protected. With other people out our fate would be sealed. Also he's trying to sweeten the deal by saying killing me is no biggie because I don't have any power. How does he know it?

 

Finally there's the reoccurring argument is that it's better to risk killing multiple townies than to leave unknown player around. Are we in a LYLO situation or something like that now? Do we have all other players confirmed and the chance of me being the scum is the highest? What exactly happens if I'm not lynched today?

 

I have a strong feeling we have scum among the ones pushing for the lynch: KevinH, Brewers and Rhizo. They don't seem to be concerned about the faith of other townies that may be possibly connected to me. Especially KevinH.

 

Oh crap, I could swear and bet all my tech, that I saw word 'Cupid' in my message, but reading it now again I see there's only information I've been struck with the lovers effect. That's quite a blunder .

 

 

Anyway, my train of thought was as follow:

1. Cupid is most likely a scum role. It's useless for the town (positive scenario for the town is so much less likely to happen than positive scenario for the scum) and one being a town would be a fool to fire it randomly.

2. If Cupid was scum, then scum already know what happened. Only people that didn't know were town so it was in best town's interest to let them know. Keeping the knowledge for myself would just mean me ending dead with a chance of some others being dead too and town being confused what's going on.

People, imagine you've been hit by cupid and mafia knows it. Wouldn't you warn the town of what happened?

 

Being a town only logical action for me would be to report being hit by the cupid to warn town (again mafia already knows).

Being a scum why would I go talking about it at all? Have anyone voted on me? Have anyone suspected me of something? Were I under any pressure? Why would I even go that route? To grab unwanted attention?

 

 

 

However, as I mentioned it turns out I don't know if I was hit by cupid. It could very well be a nymphomaniac (but still, there are better targets around, ones that tend to survive longer) and in that case announcing it was a stupid move.

 

Still the reaction of some people is very, very interesting.

 

1. Brewers seems to be very doubtful about about the cupid role, up to the point of asking how did I know I was target by him and putting a lot of thoughts into possibility of cupid being a town role. Like if he knows something we don't know (that there's no mafia cupid in game).

 

2. KevinH fishing for a possible lover here . Why would anyone in his right mind come out and say so? Right now, if there's anyone else we still could be protected. With other people out our fate would be sealed. Also he's trying to sweeten the deal by saying killing me is no biggie because I don't have any power. How does he know it?

 

Finally there's the reoccurring argument is that it's better to risk killing multiple townies than to leave unknown player around. Are we in a LYLO situation or something like that now? Do we have all other players confirmed and the chance of me being the scum is the highest? What exactly happens if I'm not lynched today?

 

I have a strong feeling we have scum among the ones pushing for the lynch: KevinH, Brewers and Rhizo. They don't seem to be concerned about the faith of other townies that may be possibly connected to me. Especially KevinH.

 

okay this changes things a lot. I am going to write this under the assumption that ABT is telling the truth (not saying I think he is cause I still have my doubts and I will address that) since it just says lover and not cupid we no longer even know if a cupid was involved.  i think its safe to say that since the message says he became a lover, if someone targeted him and also became a lover, they would have been given a similar message.  So if someone targeted ABT and did not get that message it means one of two things. A) ABT is lying or its a nymphomaniac.  Now if someone got the message that they are a lover and they did not target ABT, then it would basically confirm it was a nymphomaniac and not a cupid.  

 

As for what you said about me:  I was in no way saying there isnt a mafia cupid, I wanted us to explore all possibilities.  I was doubtful you were telling the truth, as it was a weird claim to make and now it seems like there is a chance a cupid might not even be in play, and you changed your wording to just lover.  Waht screams OMGUS to me is this part "I have a strong feeling we have scum among the ones pushing for the lynch: KevinH, Brewers and Rhizo. They don't seem to be concerned about the faith of other townies that may be possibly connected to me."

 

A)  I was not pushing for a lynch of you.  If you go back and read my posts I said 

 

 

 

I suggest waiting a little bit for voting for abt on the chance tw does indeed tell us more about the role. Otherwise we risk potentially killing multiple town at once if he is indeed being honest and was targeted by anyone

 

 

and then later I suggested we wait on the lynch and investigate you.  So what I am suggesting to do would clear you if you are innocent.  

 

I think investigating ABT and not killing him today makes even more sense now since if he is innocent, it might not be the cupid that made ABT get the lovers pm.  

 

Now that ABT says lover, I tend to at least buy his story a bit more and think the needle is moving into the honesty column.  If he was scum trying to get us to avoid investigating him, I think he would have doubled down on the cupid talk, but instead he said it wasnt even a cupid.  if he wanted to make the cop avoid investigating him, saying it was not nessicarly the cupid would not accomplish that.  I still think he should be checked to at least be safe by the cop as I would bet my money on it that it was not the cupid but rather a nympho that targeted him, if indeed his story holds true.   

Vote: Lord MK

 

I've now see you post multiple times, yet the most pressing issue at hand you just quite spectacularly manage to dodge every single time. You make it look like you're active, while simultaneously not participating with the discussion. That's some bs fluffing if I've ever seen it, so I'm voting for you until you've made an actual contribution to issue at hand, because as of right now you're just dancing around it 

 

Well TW put a lot of people in a weird spot. I (We) have nothing to add to the conversation at this point but can't stay quiet for fear of being killed by either the rules or the players for inactivity.

 

P.S- This is less of a defense of Lord MK and more of a preemptive defense of myself 

so we have some people who have not weighed into the ABT thing at all.  do any of you have any thoughts about this whole situation? Rafay?  Medved? Samus?  other people I am blanking on atm lol

Vote abt

It sounds like abt is changing history claimed he read message wrong, and trying to divert attention to two others.

It sounds like abt is changing history claimed he read message wrong, and trying to divert attention to two others.

Edited April 21, 20188 yr by atliis

I immediately corrected myself and said that Ali could have powers.

 

Ali conveniently ignores that and questions how could I know that he has no powers.

 

It all just seems suspicious to me.

 

 

Vote abtIt sounds like abt is changing history claimed he read message wrong, and trying to divert attention to two others.

​Atliis moving in for the kill! And with a solid reason too. Nicely done for someone who just started playing. Btw is this your first game of Mafia period or just on IRON forums?

I've just realized I got a message from TW yesterday. It turns out I got targeted by a Cupid last night. Now, there's not much info on the cupid role, so I have few questions:

 

@TW

1. Is the cupid role taken from the Greater Idea Mafia?

2. About night actions resolution. Mafia sends a cupid to visit me and also let's assume they try to kill me on the same night. Would everyone that visited me that night be killed (except for cupid), including the mafia guy delivering the kill?

3. Could cupid visit someone and at the same time deliver a kill?

1. TW said that it is taken from Greater Idea Mafia base.

2. They wouldn't be killed, they just become lovers.

3. They could.

 

2. The probability of that is very slim, as according to Greater Idea Mafia, there can only be Mafia Cupid.

The second thing is Cupid is a traditional mafia role. Why? It has no use with town.

The only use is to target someone like TW.

Then it becomes relevant as people tend to investigate him less and mafia always go after him. So if they do, they guarantee their own death.

But town Cupid are not normal.

The other variation is Nymphomaniac, which can be any faction. This is a gambit role, you use it on someone who think is scum, and rc the next day. If your target is indeed scum, then you become essentially bulletproof. And scum will go out of their way to keep you alive.

 

 

 

1) you are town and don't want other townies to target you at night so even if you're killed, there's no other townie deaths.

This doesn't make sense though, unless he deliberately announced it so that townie PR's keep dedicating their power to Ali so they keep alive 2 townies at once.

That is way too risky of a claim to make this early Tho. The negatives of doing that dwarf the positives. Announcing to everyone that if u die, multiple townies die with you is screaming hey scum come kill me. Sure now if there are TP roles they might get on ABT, but there could have been a much more subtle and tactful way to do so that wouldn't paint such a huge target on your back for scum. Maybe it was just a dumb mistake but it's hard to see it like that.

You're correct but if cupid is mafia, then they are already aware about it. So how does he announce that to scum if they already know about it.

Don't get me wrong I still don't think this was a good move on his part if he is town, but by announcing this he doesn't make himself more of a target than he already is.

Of course if cupid is town aligned, then this is a very very bad move.

If we are sure that it is indeed Cupid which targeted AbT. And not Nymphomaniac.

Then he did the best thing he could do.

Cupid is a mafia role.

So he ain't announcing to anyone.

I mean, scum is the informed players in this game. So they already know they AbT is targeted, they wouldn't kill him N2. They will wait till N3. And then they move in. If AbT hasn't claimed, he would have been eventually investigated due to him being AbT. Scum realised this, so they made AbT their bait.

 

 

Now, another thing i know for a fact.

In the PM saying that you are now a lover.

No where will it be mentioned, how you became a lover.

It just says that you are now a lover.

 

In fact, the Greater Idea Mafia concurs with me on this one.

 

You are a Town Lover.

 

Abilities

 

During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.

Lover: If there are other Lovers in the game, you will form a Lover bond with them. All Lovers will die at the same time.

Win Condition

 

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

So how did AbT know that he was targeted by a Cupid?

This is the question everyone should be asking.

The most probable way for this to happen is for TW to have messed up with his PMs.

But i don't think this is a viable possiblity.

But this may be true because of this particular sentence.

Oh crap, I could swear and bet all my tech, that I saw word 'Cupid' in my message, but reading it now again I see there's only information I've been struck with the lovers effect. That's quite a blunder

Maybe TW did say to AbT that he was targeted by a Cupid, bit later edited it out realising his mistake

 

But i am more inclined to believe AbT is making stuff up.

But if you guys do decide to lynch him, make sure that it is a lynch by half majority vote.

As I have this feeling in a part of my head which says that AbT is a Mafia Supersaint.

That role do exist in this game.

I have two insights to add:

 

(1) Assuming AbT is telling the truth, whoever targeted him as lover is probably fairly new to IRON mafia games, as otherwise they wouldn't have picked someone who tends to die early. They probably aren't scum because scum will have a scum team of four people (or so) and there is likely to be at least one experienced player in that group who would advise whoever the person who targeted AbT to pick someone else. I dunno if any of this info helps us, but I thought I'd at least say it.

 

(2) I think calling OMGUS whenever someone expresses suspicion of someone who accused them is bs. It's perfectly legit to be suspicious of someone who wants to lynch you and doesn't in itself mean you're any more or less likely to be scum.

I immediately corrected myself and said that Ali could have powers.

 

Ali conveniently ignores that and questions how could I know that he has no powers.

 

It all just seems suspicious to me.

You conventionally ignore the fact that it was the Mandarijn who corrected you and not yourself. You've just agreed when you got called on it, since rather obviously there was no way to keep that argument. 

 

However after giving some additional thought to the matter, I don't think you're scum. I'm actually convinced you're town. It was a first serious vote and you were the first one to throw in, when scum tend to wait longer, beating around the bush, waiting for the town to catch the bait. Also your call for the other lovers to show up seems rather spontaneous move and not something a scum with your experience would have a nerve to do.

The Mandarijn?

😂

 

 

Maybe TW did say to AbT that he was targeted by a Cupid, bit later edited it out realising his mistake But i am more inclined to believe AbT is making stuff up. But if you guys do decide to lynch him, make sure that it is a lynch by half majority vote. As I have this feeling in a part of my head which says that AbT is a Mafia Supersaint. That role do exist in this game.

 

TW has nothing to do with it. I've seen in my message something that did not exist there. It sometimes happens, like it happened last game to Kitkat. This time it turns out I'm the one that can't read.

 

Also, being Supersaint in this scenario does not make any sense. Supersaint is not some suicide bomber that's meant to go in and get lynched taking out a town with him. Mafia can not afford to trade with town 1 by 1 (not to mention they cannot afford to get a bunch of town confirmed).

 

Secondly, you're inclined to believe I'm making stuff, therefore I'm a scum, but yet you're distancing yourself, letting others to decide whether to lynch me. Why? You don't want to get your hands dirty?

I have two insights to add:

 

(1) Assuming AbT is telling the truth, whoever targeted him as lover is probably fairly new to IRON mafia games, as otherwise they wouldn't have picked someone who tends to die early. They probably aren't scum because scum will have a scum team of four people (or so) and there is likely to be at least one experienced player in that group who would advise whoever the person who targeted AbT to pick someone else. I dunno if any of this info helps us, but I thought I'd at least say it.

 

(2) I think calling OMGUS whenever someone expresses suspicion of someone who accused them is bs. It's perfectly legit to be suspicious of someone who wants to lynch you and doesn't in itself mean you're any more or less likely to be scum.

 

This is some interesting analysis and I give you a townie point for it.

 

​Though I'm not sure targetting AbT was such a bad choice a more experienced player wouldn't make it. AbT has died early recently but that was to scum kills not lynchings and the scum doesn't have to worry about him dying to scum kills b/c they're scum and can control that.

 

​So even if AbT flips town be wary of the more experiences players too. (not that I think we should lynch him yet, I still lean towards him telling the truth)

okay this changes things a lot. I am going to write this under the assumption that ABT is telling the truth (not saying I think he is cause I still have my doubts and I will address that) since it just says lover and not cupid we no longer even know if a cupid was involved. i think its safe to say that since the message says he became a lover, if someone targeted him and also became a lover, they would have been given a similar message. So if someone targeted ABT and did not get that message it means one of two things. A) ABT is lying or its a nymphomaniac. Now if someone got the message that they are a lover and they did not target ABT, then it would basically confirm it was a nymphomaniac and not a cupid.

 

As for what you said about me: I was in no way saying there isnt a mafia cupid, I wanted us to explore all possibilities. I was doubtful you were telling the truth, as it was a weird claim to make and now it seems like there is a chance a cupid might not even be in play, and you changed your wording to just lover. Waht screams OMGUS to me is this part "I have a strong feeling we have scum among the ones pushing for the lynch: KevinH, Brewers and Rhizo. They don't seem to be concerned about the faith of other townies that may be possibly connected to me."

I'm not sure if I read your first paragraph correctly. Only possible scenario is that I got hit either by cupid or by nymphomaniac.

 

As for the second part, you say person being accused has no right to defend itself? When you don't agree with their arguments and they seem excuses to get the wagon going, you have to stay silent because otherwise it's OMGUS?

 

As I mentioned, I can understand KevinH actions and the way he did it makes me feel he's town (plus it's KevinH who has his own style).

What I don't get is for example how easy it is for Rhizo to pile on with the excuse "I'm afraid we cannot confirm you at this time, so it's better to kill you right away, possibly killing others that are connected to you". As for you, I've already stated what are my concerns.

 

I have two insights to add:

 

(1) Assuming AbT is telling the truth, whoever targeted him as lover is probably fairly new to IRON mafia games, as otherwise they wouldn't have picked someone who tends to die early. They probably aren't scum because scum will have a scum team of four people (or so) and there is likely to be at least one experienced player in that group who would advise whoever the person who targeted AbT to pick someone else. I dunno if any of this info helps us, but I thought I'd at least say it.

 

(2) I think calling OMGUS whenever someone expresses suspicion of someone who accused them is bs. It's perfectly legit to be suspicious of someone who wants to lynch you and doesn't in itself mean you're any more or less likely to be scum.

 

This is some interesting analysis and I give you a townie point for it.

 

​Though I'm not sure targetting AbT was such a bad choice a more experienced player wouldn't make it. AbT has died early recently but that was to scum kills not lynchings and the scum doesn't have to worry about him dying to scum kills b/c they're scum and can control that.

 

​So even if AbT flips town be wary of the more experiences players too. (not that I think we should lynch him yet, I still lean towards him telling the truth)

 

 

True. Stupid oversight on my part.

 

 

I have two insights to add:

 

(1) Assuming AbT is telling the truth, whoever targeted him as lover is probably fairly new to IRON mafia games, as otherwise they wouldn't have picked someone who tends to die early. They probably aren't scum because scum will have a scum team of four people (or so) and there is likely to be at least one experienced player in that group who would advise whoever the person who targeted AbT to pick someone else. I dunno if any of this info helps us, but I thought I'd at least say it.

 

(2) I think calling OMGUS whenever someone expresses suspicion of someone who accused them is bs. It's perfectly legit to be suspicious of someone who wants to lynch you and doesn't in itself mean you're any more or less likely to be scum.

 

This is some interesting analysis and I give you a townie point for it.

 

​Though I'm not sure targetting AbT was such a bad choice a more experienced player wouldn't make it. AbT has died early recently but that was to scum kills not lynchings and the scum doesn't have to worry about him dying to scum kills b/c they're scum and can control that.

 

​So even if AbT flips town be wary of the more experiences players too. (not that I think we should lynch him yet, I still lean towards him telling the truth)

 

 

True. Stupid oversight on my part.

 

​It works in your favor with me tho because it shows you weren't thinking of it from a scum perspective which makes me think you're more likely town than not.

 

 

 

As I mentioned, I can understand KevinH actions and the way he did it makes me feel he's town (plus it's KevinH who has his own style).

 

​I'm still kinda worried about KevinH personally because he playstyle is normally no-lynch D1 and this is essentially D1 repeated. By comparison Rhizo's motivation to lynch you seems more believable to me.

 

​@KevinH - why not no-lynch today?

 

 

Now, another thing i know for a fact.

In the PM saying that you are now a lover.

No where will it be mentioned, how you became a lover.

It just says that you are now a lover.

 

In fact, the Greater Idea Mafia concurs with me on this one.

 

You are a Town Lover.

 

Abilities

 

During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.

Lover: If there are other Lovers in the game, you will form a Lover bond with them. All Lovers will die at the same time.

Win Condition

 

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

So how did AbT know that he was targeted by a Cupid?

This is the question everyone should be asking.

The most probable way for this to happen is for TW to have messed up with his PMs.

But i don't think this is a viable possiblity.

But this may be true because of this particular sentence.

Oh crap, I could swear and bet all my tech, that I saw word 'Cupid' in my message, but reading it now again I see there's only information I've been struck with the lovers effect. That's quite a blunder

Maybe TW did say to AbT that he was targeted by a Cupid, bit later edited it out realising his mistake

 

But i am more inclined to believe AbT is making stuff up.

But if you guys do decide to lynch him, make sure that it is a lynch by half majority vote.

As I have this feeling in a part of my head which says that AbT is a Mafia Supersaint.

That role do exist in this game.

Any one else finds this post a bit weird? If you knew this for a fact, why not come forward with it before Ali said he made a mistake? Either you were content with the discussion staying that way and otherwise you're probably trying to get townie points with this post, which isn't working with me...

 

Maybe TW did say to AbT that he was targeted by a Cupid, bit later edited it out realising his mistake But i am more inclined to believe AbT is making stuff up. But if you guys do decide to lynch him, make sure that it is a lynch by half majority vote. As I have this feeling in a part of my head which says that AbT is a Mafia Supersaint. That role do exist in this game.

TW has nothing to do with it. I've seen in my message something that did not exist there. It sometimes happens, like it happened last game to Kitkat. This time it turns out I'm the one that can't read.

 

Also, being Supersaint in this scenario does not make any sense. Supersaint is not some suicide bomber that's meant to go in and get lynched taking out a town with him. Mafia can not afford to trade with town 1 by 1 (not to mention they cannot afford to get a bunch of town confirmed).

 

Secondly, you're inclined to believe I'm making stuff, therefore I'm a scum, but yet you're distancing yourself, letting others to decide whether to lynch me. Why? You don't want to get your hands dirty?

Nope, i just don't think i have made up my mind.

I just don't feel like voting for you.

 

 

 

 

Now, another thing i know for a fact.

In the PM saying that you are now a lover.

No where will it be mentioned, how you became a lover.

It just says that you are now a lover.

 

In fact, the Greater Idea Mafia concurs with me on this one.

 

You are a Town Lover.

 

Abilities

 

During the Day, you may vote for whomever you want lynched.

Lover: If there are other Lovers in the game, you will form a Lover bond with them. All Lovers will die at the same time.

Win Condition

 

You win when all threats to the Town are eliminated and at least one Town-aligned player is still alive, or nothing can prevent the same.

So how did AbT know that he was targeted by a Cupid?

This is the question everyone should be asking.

The most probable way for this to happen is for TW to have messed up with his PMs.

But i don't think this is a viable possiblity.

But this may be true because of this particular sentence.

Oh crap, I could swear and bet all my tech, that I saw word 'Cupid' in my message, but reading it now again I see there's only information I've been struck with the lovers effect. That's quite a blunder

Maybe TW did say to AbT that he was targeted by a Cupid, bit later edited it out realising his mistake

 

But i am more inclined to believe AbT is making stuff up.

But if you guys do decide to lynch him, make sure that it is a lynch by half majority vote.

As I have this feeling in a part of my head which says that AbT is a Mafia Supersaint.

That role do exist in this game.

Any one else finds this post a bit weird? If you knew this for a fact, why not come forward with it before Ali said he made a mistake? Either you were content with the discussion staying that way and otherwise you're probably trying to get townie points with this post, which isn't working with me...

I just didn't think that AbT will be on the center stage.

But now that he did, and those who are cooking that pot wants to drag everyone else in, i feel it's a matter of survival that i jump into it.