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I wanna be the very best, like no one ever was.

To catch them is my real test, to maim them is my cause!

I will travel across the thread searching far and wide,

Teach the Mafia to understand, there is nowhere to hide!

Mafia!

Gotta Catch 'em all!

It's you and me, I know it's my destiny!

Mafia!

Oh, you might be my friend,

But please don't stab me in the rear end!

Mafia!

Intent so true? Our courage will pull us through,

You watch me and I'll follow you,

Mafia!

Gotta catch 'em all!

Gotta catch 'em all!

MAFIA!

 

Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Ascetic, Bodyguard, Bulletproof, Commuter, Cop, Cupid, Doctor, Enabler, FBI Agent, Flavor Cop, Follower, Framer, Friendly Neighbor, Godfather, Goon, Gunsmith, Hider, Innocent Child, Jack-of-All-Trades, Jailkeeper, Jester, Mafia Encryptor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Ninja, Nurse, Nymphomaniac, Role Cop, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Strongman, Super Saint, Tailor, Tracker, Traitor, Universal Backup, Vanilla Cop, Vigilante, Vanilla Townie, Vengeful, Voyeur, Watcher, Watchlisted Townie, Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie

 

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Various Sanities, Weak, X-Shot

 

Quote

Sample Role PM said:

 

You are Pidgey, a normal Pokemon. Your power is in your vote.

 

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

 

 

Players:

 

1. Ali bin Turban
2. Atliis (Blastoise), a Skull-Basher (Macho Cop), has been knocked out on night 4.
3. Brewersalliance (Venusaur), a town Constrict-er (Jailkeeper), has been knocked out on night 7.
4. Canik (Chansey), a town Heal Pulser (Doctor) has been knocked out on night 2.
5. Colonel Medved (Rhydon), a 2-Shot Mafia Strength-er (Strongman), has been lynched on day 5.
6. Darkfox
7. Jazzy95
8. KevinH (Gengar), a mafia Destiny Bond-er (Super Saint), has been knocked out on day 6.
9. Kitkat16 (Hypno), a Mafia Confusion-er (Tailor), has been lynched on day 7.
10. Lachiton
11. Lord MK (Arcanine), a 1-shot town Extreme Speeder (Commuter) has been knocked out on day 4.
12. Mandarijn (Electabuzz), a town Leer-er (Vanilla Townie), has been knocked out on day 6.
13. Rafay (Machamp), a town Substituter (Bodyguard), has been knocked out on day 3.
14. Rhizoctonia
15. Samus Canik v.2 (Snorlax), a Rest-er (Ascetic), has been badly burned on night 4.
16. SeaBeeGipson
17. Yehom

Rules:

• During the day phase each player may speak and vote in-thread.
• If a player receives the majority of the available votes during the day, they are lynched.
• At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched.
• If two players have reached half-majority and have the same number of votes, the player who reached that number of votes first will be lynched.
• You may vote no lynch.
• After the day, the game goes to night.
• The game thread is closed during the night. The mafia may speak to each other at night.
• All active roles may submit actions via PM at night.
• The mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at night.
• After the night, the game goes to day.
• All dead players (lynched or killed) can no longer participate in the game.
• Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)
• The game is won when only one faction remains in the game.
• Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.
• You may pm me questions or ask them in the game thread but you may not get an answer to some things.
• When voting, please enter your vote on a separate line of your post so that it isn't easily missed.

 

• Active Participation Rule:
  All live players must make a minimum of 3 posts in the game thread per game day. Any player who does not meet the 3 post minimum on a given day will be subject to being mod-killed unless a legitimate reason for the lack of posting is communicated privately to the game mod. (In the event that something comes up that will prevent you from playing actively, please alert the mod so that a potential replacement can be found.) If multiple players have not met the post minimum on a given day, the player with the fewest overall posts will be mod-killed.

 

Game days will last seven days until there are fewer than seven players remaining. Then they will last as many days as there are players left.

Game Nights will last 48 hours.

 

 

Any one else finds this post a bit weird? If you knew this for a fact, why not come forward with it before Ali said he made a mistake? Either you were content with the discussion staying that way and otherwise you're probably trying to get townie points with this post, which isn't working with me...

Because nobody called his ass out for sitting on the fence for that long.

 

Regarding Ali, now that he mentioned that he misread what actually happened. It still doesn't really add up to me. Whether he was visited by Cupid or has become a lover via another way, it's unwise to immediately throw that out, because not only did he just put himself in harms way, but someone else too, especially if he became a lover with someone else, not just the first lover who can 'contaminate' someone. I'm leaning a lot more towards Ali bs'ing us, not just because he suddenly changed up his story, but meanly because the consequences don't really differ in either scenario. In fact I believe he made things worse if he did tell us the truth.  

 

Any one else finds this post a bit weird? If you knew this for a fact, why not come forward with it before Ali said he made a mistake? Either you were content with the discussion staying that way and otherwise you're probably trying to get townie points with this post, which isn't working with me...

Because nobody called his ass out for sitting on the fence for that long.

 

Regarding Ali, now that he mentioned that he misread what actually happened. It still doesn't really add up to me. Whether he was visited by Cupid or has become a lover via another way, it's unwise to immediately throw that out, because not only did he just put himself in harms way, but someone else too, especially if he became a lover with someone else, not just the first lover who can 'contaminate' someone. I'm leaning a lot more towards Ali bs'ing us, not just because he suddenly changed up his story, but meanly because the consequences don't really differ in either scenario. In fact I believe he made things worse if he did tell us the truth.  

 

I agree it was not wise to tell us but whats done is done.  In my mind there are two options

 

A) he is telling the truth, which would mean he was either targeted by the cupid or the nymphomaniac. 

  he is making the whole thing up and is scum

 

Either way I think there is too much of a risk to lynch him today.  If we lynch him, two people could die if he is indeed telling the truth.  Thats why we need to wait on lynching him and investigate abt.  The more I stare at the cupid role the more I think that it does not extend beyond D1, and there is a good chance that it wasnt even the cupid that targeted him.  So I think there is less risk in investigating him than lynching him now and putting other townies potentially in danger.  

 

Oh crap, I could swear and bet all my tech, that I saw word 'Cupid' in my message, but reading it now again I see there's only information I've been struck with the lovers effect. That's quite a blunder .

 

 

Anyway, my train of thought was as follow:

1. Cupid is most likely a scum role. It's useless for the town (positive scenario for the town is so much less likely to happen than positive scenario for the scum) and one being a town would be a fool to fire it randomly.

2. If Cupid was scum, then scum already know what happened. Only people that didn't know were town so it was in best town's interest to let them know. Keeping the knowledge for myself would just mean me ending dead with a chance of some others being dead too and town being confused what's going on.

People, imagine you've been hit by cupid and mafia knows it. Wouldn't you warn the town of what happened?

 

Being a town only logical action for me would be to report being hit by the cupid to warn town (again mafia already knows).

Being a scum why would I go talking about it at all? Have anyone voted on me? Have anyone suspected me of something? Were I under any pressure? Why would I even go that route? To grab unwanted attention?

 

 

 

However, as I mentioned it turns out I don't know if I was hit by cupid. It could very well be a nymphomaniac (but still, there are better targets around, ones that tend to survive longer) and in that case announcing it was a stupid move.

 

Still the reaction of some people is very, very interesting.

 

1. Brewers seems to be very doubtful about about the cupid role, up to the point of asking how did I know I was target by him and putting a lot of thoughts into possibility of cupid being a town role. Like if he knows something we don't know (that there's no mafia cupid in game).

 

2. KevinH fishing for a possible lover here . Why would anyone in his right mind come out and say so? Right now, if there's anyone else we still could be protected. With other people out our fate would be sealed. Also he's trying to sweeten the deal by saying killing me is no biggie because I don't have any power. How does he know it?

 

Finally there's the reoccurring argument is that it's better to risk killing multiple townies than to leave unknown player around. Are we in a LYLO situation or something like that now? Do we have all other players confirmed and the chance of me being the scum is the highest? What exactly happens if I'm not lynched today?

 

I have a strong feeling we have scum among the ones pushing for the lynch: KevinH, Brewers and Rhizo. They don't seem to be concerned about the faith of other townies that may be possibly connected to me. Especially KevinH.

 

 

 

Your last comment is very much the most hypocritical thing you've said.  They don't seem "concerned about the faith  of other townies that maybe possibly connected to me."  Are you for real?  The only one who doesn't have any concern about people connected to you is indeed yourself.  You coming out could very well of now jeopardized the lives of two people if in fact you're town.  Let's say a Nympho become lovers with you, because they're forced to target someone, now you just outed that there's a Nympho in the game, and scum knows killing you kills 2.  Otherwise, had you not blurted out about becoming lovers, the scum would have no idea such a role existed and keeping it a secret.  And for what, to come forth to ask questions that you very well could of asked the Mod in private for your own knowledge instead of admitting you're now a lover?  Glad you admit it could of been a stupid move, but that doesn't in fact change you did it.  And for someone who has played this game and know your caliber, I find it rather odd you'd make such a rookie mistake.

 

That, and the fact now you're changing your story.  First you said Cupid ability was used on you, now you back pedal and say it was never in your message after someone called you out that they found it odd that you'd be told you were targeted by cupid.  

 

Vote: Lord MK

 

I've now see you post multiple times, yet the most pressing issue at hand you just quite spectacularly manage to dodge every single time. You make it look like you're active, while simultaneously not participating with the discussion. That's some bs fluffing if I've ever seen it, so I'm voting for you until you've made an actual contribution to issue at hand, because as of right now you're just dancing around it 

 

Well TW put a lot of people in a weird spot. I (We) have nothing to add to the conversation at this point but can't stay quiet for fear of being killed by either the rules or the players for inactivity.

 

P.S- This is less of a defense of Lord MK and more of a preemptive defense of myself 

 

 

How has TW put a lot of people in a weird spot...and what's with this We?  

 

Odd you make your comment on a quote of someone other then yourself.  It very much seems to a defense of him

Woah, don't try to mix jazzy and me together.

He was just making a point.

Leave that comment alone.

 

okay this changes things a lot. I am going to write this under the assumption that ABT is telling the truth (not saying I think he is cause I still have my doubts and I will address that) since it just says lover and not cupid we no longer even know if a cupid was involved. i think its safe to say that since the message says he became a lover, if someone targeted him and also became a lover, they would have been given a similar message. So if someone targeted ABT and did not get that message it means one of two things. A) ABT is lying or its a nymphomaniac. Now if someone got the message that they are a lover and they did not target ABT, then it would basically confirm it was a nymphomaniac and not a cupid.

 

As for what you said about me: I was in no way saying there isnt a mafia cupid, I wanted us to explore all possibilities. I was doubtful you were telling the truth, as it was a weird claim to make and now it seems like there is a chance a cupid might not even be in play, and you changed your wording to just lover. Waht screams OMGUS to me is this part "I have a strong feeling we have scum among the ones pushing for the lynch: KevinH, Brewers and Rhizo. They don't seem to be concerned about the faith of other townies that may be possibly connected to me."

I'm not sure if I read your first paragraph correctly. Only possible scenario is that I got hit either by cupid or by nymphomaniac.

 

As for the second part, you say person being accused has no right to defend itself? When you don't agree with their arguments and they seem excuses to get the wagon going, you have to stay silent because otherwise it's OMGUS?

 

As I mentioned, I can understand KevinH actions and the way he did it makes me feel he's town (plus it's KevinH who has his own style).

What I don't get is for example how easy it is for Rhizo to pile on with the excuse "I'm afraid we cannot confirm you at this time, so it's better to kill you right away, possibly killing others that are connected to you". As for you, I've already stated what are my concerns.

 

 

 

What's funny is you trying to save yourself by using the fear of someone else could be killed as some justified reason to keep you alive.  Is that your excuse you're going to use all game long, where anytime you're in the hot seat resort back to well killing me could kill more then me?  Pretty convenient, especially if you remain closer to the end where our numbers of mislynches are low and people are afraid to pull the trigger on you as you bring up once again lynching you could kill more then just you and end the game for scum.

 

Quit with the charade, you very well could of put a town in jeopardy with you coming out as being hit by now what you say, lover ability.  So you can knock off the whole not caring about possibility of other players dying when you didn't care when you opened your mouth about being targeted by a cupid, and then changed your story.  Very well could be suddenly changing your story when your fellow scum told you that a cupid target wouldn't of been told they were targeted or you asked Mod, and now suddenly changing it.

 

My as well post what TW supposedly sent you.  I'd love to read how you somehow thought you saw Cupid in it, or the message read where it was hinted as such.

 

 

You coming out could very well of now jeopardized the lives of two people if in fact you're town.

How?

If it was a nympho, then it makes sense.

But if it was a mafia Cupid who did it, then AbT made the right move there.

 

Don't assume that it is Cupid or Nymphomaniac without solid backing.

It's one thing to look to defend yourself, it's a whole other to use "fear of killing someone else," as an excuse for people to continue to let you slide and continue to be saved...for which you personally could of jepordized someone.  

Woah, don't try to mix jazzy and me together.

He was just making a point.

Leave that comment alone.

 

 

Why would I leave that alone.  Sure, I know you would love me too, but I'm going to call out any oddities of posts, or a slip up.  Not my fault you don't like it

 

 

You coming out could very well of now jeopardized the lives of two people if in fact you're town.

How?

If it was a nympho, then it makes sense.

But if it was a mafia Cupid who did it, then AbT made the right move there.

 

Don't assume that it is Cupid or Nymphomaniac without solid backing.

 

 

 

How did AbT make right move?  The move AbT only helps himself, and he's already trying to use it.  He can now keep trying to skate by threatening the fact if he's killed others may die.  How coming forth there is a cupid help?  So if he was targeted by cupid last night, what does him coming out help?  If someone used their ability on ABT the same night, it doesn't change the fact they're now connected?  Who cares to know there is a possible cupid, town can't change that, nor change if they used an ability on AbT last night.  It's pointless except for AbT to use for his own benefit.

 

So it could of been one or the other...so it's smart for AbT to come forward with such information when he doesn't which one it was?  Has same probability it was a Nympho or a Cupid, and since he wants to run his mouth about people voting not caring about possible people connected to him being killed as well by voting him, I'm going to call him out for not caring about the possibility of a town Nympho being connected to him when he decided to write what he did.  

 

Even if he was hit by cupid, there's no guarantee anyone else targeted him as well to make lovers.  He want's to keep emphasizing the "maybe" a reason he should live.

 

 

But if it was a mafia Cupid who did it, then AbT made the right move there.

 

No because the consequences would be the same, I don't see in what world there being a cupid or a nympho would make a difference in consequences where it would be that Ali made the right move. In both of the scenarios he made the worst possible choice and yet you're defending him now, whilst a few posts ago you said this:

 

 

 

But i am more inclined to believe AbT is making stuff up. But if you guys do decide to lynch him, make sure that it is a lynch by half majority vote. As I have this feeling in a part of my head which says that AbT is a Mafia Supersaint. That role do exist in this game.

 

You've been on the fence for the first part of this day. The moment I call you out you finally start to contribute in the discussion, only to flipflop 15 posts later from saying Ali is more likely making stuff up to saying that in different scenarios he could have made the right move, even though both scenarios play out exactly the same. So what is it? 

If it was a Cupid, then it would have been a mafia Cupid.

Town Cupid doesn't exist in this setup.

 

So the scum already know that AbT is a bait.if he had kept shut, then some PRs would have walked right into the trap.

Since he has came out, maybe he is hoping that no townie falls into the trap.

But that's only true if nobody has visited him yet. If someone did visit him, he just purposely threw at least another person in harms way. Also you completely overlook the fact that he switched stories in that scenario, which you can't in my opinion. You can sugarcoat the story all you want, but at the end of the day Ali made a stupid play. The question is whether it was well-intended or ill-intended. 

 

 

The question is whether it was well-intended or ill-intended

 

 

and the only way to know for sure is either lynch ABT or investigate ABT

 

lynching means another townie might die in the process though.  

which is why we should wait to lynch abt until hes investigated.  if you vote to lynch him there is a chance you are voting to lynch two people.  Is that honestly worth the risk?

and to be honest, would it be so bad if there is a town nymphomaniac to role claim and claim they targeted ABT? that way we would know its not the cupid and it would be 100% safe to investigate ABT and we would also know a lynch means that two people would die

If it was a Cupid, then it would have been a mafia Cupid.

Town Cupid doesn't exist in this setup.

 

So the scum already know that AbT is a bait.if he had kept shut, then some PRs would have walked right into the trap.

Since he has came out, maybe he is hoping that no townie falls into the trap.

So are you saying that you know the cupid role lasts all game and not just the night it's used? How do you know this when Mod will not commit to telling all of us? Because that's the only way it may "save" anyone is if it's all game and not just N1. Let alone you don't find it quite interesting he claims something that if all game basically prevents him from being investigated?

 

I also doubt a cupid would know he is actually targeted thus would not get a message from TW.

 

@Kevin - your last game had both a cupid and a nympho. Though obviously you and TW mod differently in some aspects, I'm curious, did you inform the Cupid target they had an ability used on them. What about the target of a nympho?

I also doubt a cupid would know he is actually

targeted thus would not get a message from TW

 

 

Meant to say a Cupids Target

 

The question is whether it was well-intended or ill-intended

 

 

and the only way to know for sure is either lynch ABT or investigate ABT

 

lynching means another townie might die in the process though.  

which is why we should wait to lynch abt until hes investigated.  if you vote to lynch him there is a chance you are voting to lynch two people.  Is that honestly worth the risk?

and to be honest, would it be so bad if there is a town nymphomaniac to role claim and claim they targeted ABT? that way we would know its not the cupid and it would be 100% safe to investigate ABT and we would also know a lynch means that two people would die

 

 

I like these ideas. Because while Rhizo's arguements do have me feeling more 50/50 on if AbT is scum, I'm still worried we could be wrong and if possible it'd be nice to avoid that. 

If it was a Cupid, then it would have been a mafia Cupid.

Town Cupid doesn't exist in this setup.

 

 

And you know there is no town cupid how?    Here is what TW said

 

 

 

Only the following roles may exist in this game: Ascetic, Bodyguard, Bulletproof, Commuter, Cop, Cupid, Doctor, Enabler, FBI Agent, Flavor Cop, Follower, Framer, Friendly Neighbor, Godfather, Goon, Gunsmith, Hider, Innocent Child, Jack-of-All-Trades, Jailkeeper, Jester, Mafia Encryptor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Ninja, Nurse, Nymphomaniac, Role Cop, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Strongman, Super Saint, Tailor, Tracker, Traitor, Universal Backup, Vanilla Cop, Vigilante, Vanilla Townie, Vengeful, Voyeur, Watcher, Watchlisted Townie, Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie

 

 

No where does it say the Cupid is a mafia cupid.  the only way you could possible know for sure it couldnt be a town cupid and is a mafia cupid is if you are part of the mafia and know its a mafia role, or you are the role cop and you found the person who is the mafia cupid, but if the latter was the case, then you would have told us by now.

vote:  MK

 

 

So the scum already know that AbT is a bait.if he had kept shut, then some PRs would have walked right into the trap. Since he has came out, maybe he is hoping that no townie falls into the trap.

 

 

Plus here you are competently disregarding the chance that it is a nymphomaniac and saying it has to be the cupid, almost as if you have insider knowledge.

 

so which is it?  do you have some insider knowledge or is this all guesswork on your part? 

also @TW can we get a vote count? 

Rhizo I'm just going to repeat what I've said before. I'm not sure if you don't understand or you're trying to purposefully blur the picture but the string of events was as follow:

 

1. At first I could swear the message I received contained the info I was hit by the Cupid, so I shared that information. Cupid is a mafia role (it's useless for the town) - therefore mafia knew I was hit. That means speaking out in public gives mafia no benefit - they already know what they've done, don't they?

 

I believe in this scenario it was the best option for the town to share the information. If you have other view on that matter go ahead and explain us, how in this scenario my coming out and sharing the info, that was already available to mafia was jeopardizing lives of townies, that are possibly connected to me.

 

 

2. KevinH votes on me and you come right after him telling its safer to kill me right now. Your only argument is that I might not be verifiable if the Cupid effect lasts for the whole game and can result in a chain killing. That's a very big if. Also you didn't put a thought in what could happen if I did not inform the town and they would investigate me not knowing they're falling into a trap.

 

Again, please tell us how at this point I'm hypocritical when saying you don't care about possible townies lives? Because I shared the info I though was already available to the mafia?

 

3. Now is the moment I being asked how did I know I was hit by the Cupid. I thought "It's obvious, because it's in my message" and went to read it again. And then it turned out it wasn't there. At this point it was obvious I've made a huge mistake and in fact I could jeopardize townies lives, because I could as well be targeted by a Nymphomaniac and that's the knowledge mafia didn't had.

 

 

At this moment you're blurring the picture and make it as If I stated from the very beginning, I could be hit by either Cupid or Nyphomaniac. The first part of the day revolved around me being hit by Cupid. You were not questioning that and you were voting on me with the assumption I was in fact hit by the Cupid. And with that assumption in mind, you were OK with the possibility of killing other peoples. Now when we know more, when there's Nymphomaniac possibility being discussed, you're acting as if that knowledge was available from the very beginning.

 

Also that fragment is telling a lot:

 

 

 

How coming forth there is a cupid help? So if he was targeted by cupid last night, what does him coming out help? If someone used their ability on ABT the same night, it doesn't change the fact they're now connected? Who cares to know there is a possible cupid, town can't change that, nor change if they used an ability on AbT last night. It's pointless except for AbT to use for his own benefit.

 

May I remind you that your primary reason to lynch me was that the Cupid effect may last for the whole game? But now you say it's pointless to warn the town? Do you even believe in the version that was your reason to cast a vote on me?

 

 

 

 

 

What's funny is you trying to save yourself by using the fear of someone else could be killed as some justified reason to keep you alive. Is that your excuse you're going to use all game long, where anytime you're in the hot seat resort back to well killing me could kill more then me?

 

Nah. My plan is to find scum and lynch them. It's the best way of confirming that I'm indeed a town.

 

 

and to be honest, would it be so bad if there is a town nymphomaniac to role claim and claim they targeted ABT? that way we would know its not the cupid and it would be 100% safe to investigate ABT and we would also know a lynch means that two people would die

 

There are following implications if there's a nymphomaniac and he's stepping out:

 

1. Everyone knows I'm indeed telling truth.

2. Instead of 1 person that can result in +1 town deaths there are 2. One person can be easily protected and mafia risks scoring no kills if they target him (unless they got a strongman). With two, there's 50% chance so it's more tempting to try.

3. If there's one I'm sure he'll reveal himself if I'll be at risk of getting lynched. It's still better for the town when 2 people are killed at night than if 2 people are lynched + someone else is killed at night.

I think Ali is telling the truth.

It was indeed the best option to come out at the moment he thought he was targetted by a Cupid, I've yet to see someone give a legit argument why it wouldn't be. And it doesn't matter if someone else targetted him or not during the night, mafia already knows that they targetted Ali and can kill him at night whenever they want...

Missing the Cupid part was a honest mistake I think, he immediately came out that he made a mistake when someone questioned that part, before that he was just looking where the discussion was going, what is exactly what I would do if I dropped a bomb like that.

 

Whether or not he was targetted by a Cupid or Nymph, it just doesn't make sense to lynch him. To me we would be helping out the Mafia. Now Mafia knows this information (or maybe they already knew of course) it's up to them to decide if they want to kill him at night or not. Other townie PR roles might be able to protect him (or not, who knows ). And if TW can tell us if the Cupid effect would last all game or not, then Ali can also be investigated (although I'm 99% sure he's town). If the Mafia have a watcher, then that's a HUGE problem.

 

@@The Warrior : How the Cupid works isn't clear on the Greater Mafia Idea. Can you confirm (hypotheticly speaking that a Cupid is in the game) whether or not the Cupid effect will last all game or just for N1?

​@KevinH - why not no-lynch today?

It's Day 2 and somebody knows somethin'.

The town can't win without eventually lynching.

That said, I do believe one possible course of action is to no-lynch again; tomorrow we'll have even more information.

 

 

@Kevin - your last game had both a cupid and a nympho. Though obviously you and TW mod differently in some aspects, I'm curious, did you inform the Cupid target they had an ability used on them. What about the target of a nympho?

I also doubt a cupid would know he is actually targeted thus would not get a message from TW

I would not inform a Cupid target if there was not a Lover bond created.

If a Lover bond is created, I think all those involved need to be told they are Lovers, but not whether it came from a Cupid or a Nymphomaniac (or anything else).

 

In the last game, the Mafia Cupid died early and people assumed that if there were Lovers it was because of him.

In fact, he targeted the Nymphomaniac and nobody else did Night 1 so it had no effect (I was using the Night 1 only model).

The Lovers got created by Nymphomaniac action but they stayed alive the whole game.

Vote: Rafay

 

Seems like it's just the same few talking today. Let's poke around and get others opinions on what's going on

I lean towards AbT telling the truth, although I'm not 100% certain. I think it makes the most sense of the facts. Simply because someone makes a weird move doesn't mean they're scum. Sure, he could have made that post so that people would be too scared to lynch him, but that seems pretty friggin ballsy to me. 

But that's only true if nobody has visited him yet. If someone did visit him, he just purposely threw at least another person in harms way. Also you completely overlook the fact that he switched stories in that scenario, which you can't in my opinion. You can sugarcoat the story all you want, but at the end of the day Ali made a stupid play. The question is whether it was well-intended or ill-intended.

Even if someone did visit him, what difference does it makes?

The ones who visited him on N1 are not going to come out.

Scum would anyways strike AbT out on N3. (If they were bright)

So even if he didn't, the result will be collateral town deaths.

 

The question is whether it was well-intended or ill-intended

 

and the only way to know for sure is either lynch ABT or investigate ABT

 

lynching means another townie might die in the process though.

 

which is why we should wait to lynch abt until hes investigated. if you vote to lynch him there is a chance you are voting to lynch two people. Is that honestly worth the risk?

 

and to be honest, would it be so bad if there is a town nymphomaniac to role claim and claim they targeted ABT? that way we would know its not the cupid and it would be 100% safe to investigate ABT and we would also know a lynch means that two people would die

On that last idea, are you serious?

If the Nymphomaniac came out, then scum needs to hit one and two is down.

 

 

If it was a Cupid, then it would have been a mafia Cupid.

Town Cupid doesn't exist in this setup.

 

 

And you know there is no town cupid how? Here is what TW said

Only the following roles may exist in this game: Ascetic, Bodyguard, Bulletproof, Commuter, Cop, Cupid, Doctor, Enabler, FBI Agent, Flavor Cop, Follower, Framer, Friendly Neighbor, Godfather, Goon, Gunsmith, Hider, Innocent Child, Jack-of-All-Trades, Jailkeeper, Jester, Mafia Encryptor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Ninja, Nurse, Nymphomaniac, Role Cop, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Strongman, Super Saint, Tailor, Tracker, Traitor, Universal Backup, Vanilla Cop, Vigilante, Vanilla Townie, Vengeful, Voyeur, Watcher, Watchlisted Townie, Wrong Place at the Wrong Time Townie

 

No where does it say the Cupid is a mafia cupid. the only way you could possible know for sure it couldnt be a town cupid and is a mafia cupid is if you are part of the mafia and know its a mafia role, or you are the role cop and you found the person who is the mafia cupid, but if the latter was the case, then you would have told us by now.

 

vote: MK

So the scum already know that AbT is a bait.if he had kept shut, then some PRs would have walked right into the trap. Since he has came out, maybe he is hoping that no townie falls into the trap.

 

Plus here you are competently disregarding the chance that it is a nymphomaniac and saying it has to be the cupid, almost as if you have insider knowledge.

 

so which is it? do you have some insider knowledge or is this all guesswork on your part?

 

also @TW can we get a vote count?

Go and look up Greater Idea Mafia on mafiascum wiki.

They have a very neat arrangement of roles so according to that, there can only be Mafia Cupid.

And TW already said that this game to be interpreted using that base.

Bit busy so just glanced through the posts quickly. I will try to read them more thoroughly once I have time.

 

But whatever I can gather from everyone as well as AbT's defense, I believe he is town. I already said before that if AbT is town and he was indeed struck by Cupid, announcing it to the town makes sense. If you think about it, Cupid as a town role sounds odd, especially if town decides to target randomly on N1. Cupid, if it exists has to be mafia role. In the same way Nymphomaniac is useless with mafia so it will always be town role.

 

I am just wondering what's the message from TW was to AbT that he immediately thought it to be cupid targeted him. Maybe it was something along the lines of "you have been struck with lover's effect" or something similar. So if that's the case then I can totally get why AbT immediately thought of it to be cupid, though in reality it could have been nymphomaniac.

 

Also anyone find it weird that Samus and DarkFox completely skirted the issue and were in a different world arguing over petty things. I think this needs to be called out as the day is gonna end soon and we have not yet reached anywhere close to a lynch.

 

Vote: Samus

99% sure on town seems really high. And why would the nymphomaniac coming out be a bad thing? They don't have to say who else they made Ali a lover with, so only Ali would still be in danger of causing a double kill

99% sure on town seems really high. And why would the nymphomaniac coming out be a bad thing? They don't have to say who else they made Ali a lover with, so only Ali would still be in danger of causing a double kill

 

Bad thing is that mafia knows to kill both they can target either one of them, rendering a town PR with protection role useless, if they decide to protect AbT. Also, though nymphomaniac coming out helps to clear the air whether AbT was targeted or not, it still doesn't 100% guarantee that AbT is town. So I see the risk outweigh more than the benefits at this moment.