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[onbekende]

 

Destroying by investing in child care

The responsibility of investing in child care is called parents. I did it 4 times, and I had to make do with a standard child tax deduction. It's a typical Progressive tactic to hold out a candy while hiding the knife. If you want to talk about destroying by investing in children... I give you the public school system. The last people I would trust my children with are Progressives.

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Children are a society's future, in a time that it becomes increasingly difficult to actually raise them, all the help is good. I do recall we moved away from 1 income households some decades ago, another marvelous thing Capitalism gave us. And yeah, helping raising children is sticking a knife in someone's back, how dare we!

 

Fine you don't like public schools, doesn't stop them from excisting and actually requiring some $$ to operate. Also tell me, how much of the non-public schools budget is governmental funded?
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vital economical infrastructure

That's what the infrastructure bill was for, or that's what they believe.

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While that one was pure infrastructure (roads, rail, ....) and meant for upkeep or renovate/renew end of lifetime bridges/..., this one is specifically for newer industries like clean energy, housing, ...

 

Fine, call it infrastructure bill #2. Thats 2 more then the last 4 years gave you folks.
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lowering proscriptions drugs costs to patients and many other area's

That's what Obamacare was for... or that's what they believe.

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Yeah and the watered down version will get strenghtened with this bill. Extra $$ to further reduce spending on vital medicine, expansion into hearing loss.
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Sure, lets wait on the Republican investments in the USA.

We are for limited government under the Constitution... or that's what we believe.

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Last I heared, they were still remenicing about the Confederacy. There is no "limited option" with the GOP, only the "laisser faire" liberal approach (the world's meaning of that word) coupled with "punish the heathens" towards some pseudo-christian society.
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Manchin is unhappy his coal industry is getting fiddled out of existence, an industry on the downturn for decades that is only profitable to the owners but leaves their employees (only 20k!) with health issues. An industry that has little future. Heck the proposal even has extra $$ for job training specifically tailored to WV coal belt. I call that an earmark for Manchin.

Coal will be used to supply energy for as long as it's cheaper. Progressives don't care about coal miners, or the people of West Virginia. They don't care if they die, and they don't care if they live. To them, it's fly over country. Just tell them to learn how to code.

I guess you don't have any use for coal in Belgium.

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You could stick all present coal miners in till-start-of-retirement jobs in rectifying the enviromental damage coal mining has done to there respective states. The boogeyman wanting them all to code is malarky and a dodgy reason to abandon those people in the waning days of their industry.

 

If progressives don't care, neither do republians. Cause just saying "go back underground" isn't helping anyone but the owners.

 

And for Belgium, coal is only used by the usual suspects: steel works and BBQ fanatics. And talking about economics of coal minings, we know, we once had like 2% of out pop mining.

[Lysistrata]

A couple quick questions...

 

How many children do you have that go to public schools in the United States?

How much do you pay the United States Internal Revenue Service each year in Federal Income Taxes?

What benefits have you received from the passage of the Affordable Care Act?

Which political party did you support in 1860 when Democrats created the Confederacy?

How many residents of West Virginia do you personally know?

 

These are qualifying questions.

If your answers are Zero, Zero, Zero, None, and Zero... then it's none of your business.

[onbekende]

It isn't my business, it is my opinion.

 

Opinion you so dearly miss cause you go out of your way to not hear it.

[Lysistrata]

So, you don't live here, you don't pay for it, you don't benefit from it, and you're not subject to any consequences from it... at least at the local level. You must believe you will benefit from it on an international level. There must be something to gain in Europe from a failing U.S. economy. Probably a currency thing... George Soros is big with that. He loves to cause nations to fail using Socialism to divide populations, and then cash in on their collapse. The new name they're using is "The Big Reset".

 

Do you wish to see a change in the World Reserve Currency?

[Lysistrata]

Someone at the White House thought it was a great idea to take a few calls. They're probably working at Amazon now.

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[onbekende]

So, you don't live here, you don't pay for it, you don't benefit from it, and you're not subject to any consequences from it... at least at the local level. You must believe you will benefit from it on an international level. There must be something to gain in Europe from a failing U.S. economy. Probably a currency thing... George Soros is big with that. He loves to cause nations to fail using Socialism to divide populations, and then cash in on their collapse. The new name they're using is "The Big Reset".

 

Do you wish to see a change in the World Reserve Currency?

 

Again, I offer opinion. Yeah i aint american, I think we established that earlier with your continued calling of me being "that socialist european" line.

 

I don't see how investments in infrastructure would hurt the US economy, someone go teardown Eisenhower's legacy will ya. I have even less desire or knowledge about currencies and their interactions, let alone about the "World Reserve Currency" (think you are notioning about what national banks have in stock as reserve currency). Then again if you want to talk about "failing US economy", don't look further then Capitalism itself. You have talked about it before, the "produce cheaper" ideology.

 

The rest seems again more conspiracy, now with age-old villain "Soros". Had a good night on Fox with the year revue on "which conspiracy wants the US dead, 2021"?

 

 

Someone at the White House thought it was a great idea to take a few calls. They're probably working at Amazon now.

Parent Says 'Let's Go Brandon' During Biden Call With NORAD Santa Tracker - YouTube

If the Qanon folk ever knew how much this isn't an insult outside their own minds, I think that mind would implode.

[Lysistrata]

If the Qanon folk ever knew how much this isn't an insult outside their own minds, I think that mind would implode.

Sure... it's not an insult at all.

 Mainstream media fume over dad saying 'Let's Go Brandon' to Biden: 'Vulgar,' 'right-wing slur' | Fox News

[onbekende]

So first you take all left-wing media as fake news and needless alarmists, but this thing you take them at face value and think they represent the lefts view on that sentence?

 

At best its a nice dog whistle tbh.

 

 

so yeah, bollocks.

[Lysistrata]

We have experienced only 25% of Joe Biden's first term as President, and you won't believe what is happening... wait for it...

There is a massive effort from the desperate left to bring back Hillary Clinton.

 

First, they have to drag her out of the crypt, suck the embalming fluid out, pump her up with plasma, strap on a ventilator, spark up a defibrillator, and hope they can detect a pulse.

 

Anyone saying that their best chance to hold on to the White House is to resurrect Hillary Clinton, is simply saying they don't have any other options. The only one with a worse approval than Joe Biden is Kamala Harris.

[Lysistrata]

Our girl Kyrsten got tired of Joe getting all the attention and she decided to demonstrate the power of the majority.

 

*People don't want Socialism

*People don't want the Feds telling the states how they will run their elections.

*People don't want the Senate performing the same as the House.

*People don't want out of control inflation

*People don't want open borders

*People don't want to be called a racist over and over

*People don't want a permanent pandemic

 

Thanks for standing up for the USA Senator Sinema... (your seat is safe... Mark Kelly will have a problem)

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[onbekende]

Yeah, we can't have make it easier for american citizens to vote, that's clearly socialism...

Feds telling states how to run elections? How about Presidents ringing up state officials to "find votes"...

It isn't?

I didn't knew the US suddenly became Zimbabwe.

lol open borders, this the same Biden who gets accused of putting people in cells like Trump?

stop acting like one? or perhaps stop having a victim complex about it.

yeah, mother nature will be sure to stop all its wickedness when a GOPer suddenly becomes POTUS...

 

And Sinema is gonna be primaried, good luck to her sullying McCain's name.

[Lysistrata]

Yeah, we can't have make it easier for american citizens to vote, that's clearly socialism...

Clearly, you're mixing things up. The Socialism is the failed Build Back Communist bill. The failed voter fraud bill is a different bill entirely.

It's already easy to vote. They want to make all states comply with Federal law for automatic registration, make it illegal to require an ID, and make it mandatory to provide mail-in ballots... you know what I mean... fast track to Civil War. I have said before that legislation that can't get 60 votes is probably bad law. Sometimes it's bad law with 60.

 

Why all the long faces this week? it's like Trump was elected all over again. It's been the best week I've seen in months.

Did you see what Glenn Youngkin did yesterday? He single-handedly brought Virginia back into the USA.

[onbekende]

I can only state that any roadblock to hinder a citizen from voting is an act against democracy. This does not mean I desire ID-less voting, heck I gladly whip out my ID on elections days. What does happen on the state level is sometimes frivolous and ambiguous voting standards in regard to registration (which btw are anti-democratic imho) or election day.

 

And if your democracy lands into a Civil War cause you can't even figure out a mail-in ballot method, go sit in the corner of the pariah nations of this world.

 

Your "can't get 60 votes it is probably a bad law" goes beyond the 50-50 divide your Senate seems to languish in. Last time was 95th US Congress in 1977 when 1 party had 60+ votes (Dems then under Carter). Your 2 party system reinforces utterly stonewalling anything in the Senate what the other party wants to do.

 

 

oo yeah, the CRT guy. The new "communism" boogeyman of the GOP. Something about not allowing the teaching of "divisive" thema's... All sounds very snowflaky to me, not wanting to be reminded that slavery excisted for example...

I patiently await the first lawsuit about geography and the Earth being not flat...

[Lysistrata]

I can only state that any roadblock to hinder a citizen from voting is an act against democracy.

None of that is in question. Democrats want the Federal Government to take control of elections away from the states, which is highly unconstitutional. They know this will never happen without a constitutional amendment. They just want the fight.

What does happen on the state level is sometimes frivolous and ambiguous voting standards in regard to registration (which btw are anti-democratic imho) or election day.

Registration is greatly important in many states. It establishes residency, affirms citizenship, and declares political party. To vote in primaries, many states will only allow participation within your own party. No way in hell do I want Democrats voting in Republican business. Socialists love the idea of absorbing everyone into the collective, but I chose long ago never to be one of the Borg.

And if your democracy lands into a Civil War cause you can't even figure out a mail-in ballot method, go sit in the corner of the pariah nations of this world.

Our Constitutional Republic will do what we choose. You go sit in your corner in Belgium.

Your "can't get 60 votes it is probably a bad law" goes beyond the 50-50 divide your Senate seems to languish in.

The entire purpose of the Senate is to be the regulators of constitutional law that affects the USA as a whole. Not just for the benefit of one political party. Contrary to the beliefs of some people... we are not a Democracy... even the minority has rights. Every law should have a 60 vote threshold to protect the rights of the minority. That's better law.

[Lysistrata]

The one thing that is more stupid than Democrat Nancy Pelosi forcing a vote in the House on a bill she knows will not pass the Democrat controlled Senate... is Chuck Schumer forcing a vote in the Democrat controlled Senate to alter Senate rules on bill cloture when he knows it will not pass. Nothing like shining a big spotlight on your failures. Yeah... they're so smart.

[onbekende]

 

I can only state that any roadblock to hinder a citizen from voting is an act against democracy.

None of that is in question. Democrats want the Federal Government to take control of elections away from the states, which is highly unconstitutional. They know this will never happen without a constitutional amendment. They just want the fight.

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For federal elections yeah. An even playing field sounds very democratic.

But once again throwing "the constitution" at it doesn't actually do you any favors. Article 1, Section 4, Clause 1: "The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing [sic] Senators"

Congress has stepped up and used these powers numerous times, from establishing congressional districts, making various election irregularities federal offences to mandating how election oversight should be run. Sounds like the US Cngress sure can impose other stuff on elections.

And yeah their are also amendments who relate to elections/voting, usually done to cement those changes from excess fuckery.
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What does happen on the state level is sometimes frivolous and ambiguous voting standards in regard to registration (which btw are anti-democratic imho) or election day.

Registration is greatly important in many states. It establishes residency, affirms citizenship, and declares political party. To vote in primaries, many states will only allow participation within your own party. No way in hell do I want Democrats voting in Republican business. Socialists love the idea of absorbing everyone into the collective, but I chose long ago never to be one of the Borg.

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Firstly I don't care about primaries, as these are indeed party affiliated dealings. However for an election the state/feds/whoever has no business noting down which political party you wish to affiliate with. To add to that, the primaries shouldn't even need to be run by the states, sounds very socialistic by making the government pay for something that is party specific.
Secondly, states already know very well who is a resident, let alone the feds not knowing who is a citizen, heck go nag the IRS. It all just sounds like extra steps to hinder people from exercising their Constitutional right to vote!

lol socialists are Borg. I didn't know I suddenly became a drone. Seems I got forgotten to be added to the collective
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And if your democracy lands into a Civil War cause you can't even figure out a mail-in ballot method, go sit in the corner of the pariah nations of this world.

Our Constitutional Republic will do what we choose. You go sit in your corner in Belgium.

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Seems it is chosing "Civil War" if I have to follow your assumptions. You would be surprised how few people on this world would like such a scenario...

 

Speaking abou choosing, you guys did chose your President in 2020 no, so go sit in your corner about that one >_>
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Your "can't get 60 votes it is probably a bad law" goes beyond the 50-50 divide your Senate seems to languish in.

The entire purpose of the Senate is to be the regulators of constitutional law that affects the USA as a whole. Not just for the benefit of one political party. Contrary to the beliefs of some people... we are not a Democracy... even the minority has rights. Every law should have a 60 vote threshold to protect the rights of the minority. That's better law.

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Senate is the epitomy of being for the benefit of 1 political party, namely the one that holds 50+1 vote. Bipartisanship is dead, especially in the Senate.

 

yes you guys are a democracy, you just don't understand it. And yes this comes with minority protection, but it shouldn't be minority bullying.

 

lol only 60 treshold. Says the party that abused the cloture/filibuster rules just as much as the Dems did. The ever "escalating" usage of that so called "nuclear option" very much shows that
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The one thing that is more stupid than Democrat Nancy Pelosi forcing a vote in the House on a bill she knows will not pass the Democrat controlled Senate... is Chuck Schumer forcing a vote in the Democrat controlled Senate to alter Senate rules on bill cloture when he knows it will not pass. Nothing like shining a big spotlight on your failures. Yeah... they're so smart.

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It puts people on the spot and on the record for how they vote. To only bring "majority of majority" legislation to the floor, you stop being a Congress and start being a rubber stamper of legislation without meaningfull oversight.

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But once again throwing "the constitution" at it doesn't actually do you any favors.

They lost.

Firstly I don't care about primaries

I don't care how Europeans feel about our primaries... oh yeah... They lost.

Seems it is chosing "Civil War" if I have to follow your assumptions.

It's entirely up to us... They lost.

Bipartisanship is dead, especially in the Senate.

That's exactly where I want it... nothing getting passed means that things don't get any worse... They lost.

yes you guys are a democracy, you just don't understand it.

Wrong... Example: The majority is getting nowhere on forcing cell therapy mandates... They lost.

lol only 60 treshold. Says the party that abused the cloture/filibuster rules just as much as the Dems did. The ever "escalating" usage of that so called "nuclear option" very much shows that

Yes... 60 votes. Harry Reid killed it for Judicial appointments. Republicans in turn killed it for Supreme Court appointments. Both parties use the Reconciliation procedure for taxes, spending, and debt limit... but legislation is off limits... They lost.

It puts people on the spot and on the record for how they vote.

Everyone knew that Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema were against it. It made no sense to do it... They still lost. 

[onbekende]

 

But once again throwing "the constitution" at it doesn't actually do you any favors.

They lost.

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Doesn't suddenly make it unconstitutional.
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Firstly I don't care about primaries

I don't care how Europeans feel about our primaries... oh yeah... They lost.

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And here I thought you as Libertarian would love the idea of throwing primaries out of state funded care. Clearly you are slightly socialist.
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Seems it is chosing "Civil War" if I have to follow your assumptions.

It's entirely up to us... They lost.

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Atleast make it about something worthwhile then, like slavery was. Then again you seem to be barking up the former losing side about this argument.

 

Or how did you put it, "they lost". Don't fall on the losing side just to get bitter, sore losers make uneducated grandchildren fly their losing side's flag...
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Bipartisanship is dead, especially in the Senate.

That's exactly where I want it... nothing getting passed means that things don't get any worse... They lost.

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It would be worse for your side...
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yes you guys are a democracy, you just don't understand it.

Wrong... Example: The majority is getting nowhere on forcing cell therapy mandates... They lost.

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hey look, it's a minority bathed in ignorance that balkes about conspiracies with no basis in reality. Later you gonna claim that Georgia had 20k dead people voting .

 

also, they did get to force it on healthcare workers last I checked...
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lol only 60 treshold. Says the party that abused the cloture/filibuster rules just as much as the Dems did. The ever "escalating" usage of that so called "nuclear option" very much shows that

Yes... 60 votes. Harry Reid killed it for Judicial appointments. Republicans in turn killed it for Supreme Court appointments. Both parties use the Reconciliation procedure for taxes, spending, and debt limit... but legislation is off limits... They lost.

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Half your legislation goes thruw that "Reconciliation" bs, while the other gets stonewalled into oblivion due to lobbyists protecting corporations instead of senators serving their voters. The US Democracy is a sham and you seem to revel in its shambles.

 

Be the Libertarian all you'd like, on your island.
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It puts people on the spot and on the record for how they vote.

Everyone knew that Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema were against it. It made no sense to do it... They still lost.

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Atleast a House legislation got put up into the Senate, and only cause both chambers majority leader has the same token next to his name. Your Congress stops being a legislature when it isn't run by 1 side. You guys run on an authoritarian blueprint while maskerading being the biggest democracy around.

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Doesn't suddenly make it unconstitutional.

When the Constitution delegates power over elections to the states, that's where the power over elections goes. They lost.

And here I thought you as Libertarian would love the idea of throwing primaries out of state funded care.

Thought wrong... I hate the way Washington State runs their elections, but it's their state, and they can do what they want. They lost.

Atleast make it about something worthwhile then

Washington DC seizing control of elections from states would be worth it. They lost.

It would be worse for your side...

I'm doing fine... They lost.

also, they did get to force it on healthcare workers last I checked...

Wrong again, it was Federal Workers, and that just got stopped... They lost.

Judge Blocks Biden's Federal Worker Vaccine Mandate, Blasts: 'The President’s Authority is NOT That Broad'. (thenationalpulse.com)

Half your legislation goes thruw that "Reconciliation" bs

If that were true Obamacare would have been repealed... They lost.

Your Congress stops being a legislature when it isn't run by 1 side.

This is the way I like it. I am a huge supporter of limited government, and less legislation is best. Repeal every law that did not receive a supermajority in the Senate first, and then see if these legislators know how to work for the people for a change. They lost.

[onbekende]

 

Doesn't suddenly make it unconstitutional.

When the Constitution delegates power over elections to the states, that's where the power over elections goes. They lost.

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Article 1, Section 4, Clause 1: "The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing [sic] Senators"
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And here I thought you as Libertarian would love the idea of throwing primaries out of state funded care.

Thought wrong... I hate the way Washington State runs their elections, but it's their state, and they can do what they want. They lost.

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Pray tell, what does Washington State do?

 

Also, still socialist.
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Atleast make it about something worthwhile then

Washington DC seizing control of elections from states would be worth it. They lost.

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Prescribing rules is the prerogative of US Congress, unsure what DC has to do with it. Perhaps you want to make it a state? Would mean less intertwining with Congress...
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It would be worse for your side...

I'm doing fine... They lost.

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I dunno, apart from the cocktail hottub, you seem vindictive.
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also, they did get to force it on healthcare workers last I checked...

Wrong again, it was Federal Workers, and that just got stopped... They lost.
Judge Blocks Biden's Federal Worker Vaccine Mandate, Blasts: 'The President’s Authority is NOT That Broad'. (thenationalpulse.com)

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'also' implies a seperate thing, as in I am not talking about any Executive Order. The healthcare workers one remains.
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Half your legislation goes thruw that "Reconciliation" bs

If that were true Obamacare would have been repealed... They lost.

 

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Obamacare repeal lost 49-51 last attempt, reconciliation wouldn't have helped you there... Not that it wasn't attempted several times thruw reconcilliation (usually by trying to cut funding).

 

Also, everyone likes the ACA!
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Your Congress stops being a legislature when it isn't run by 1 side.

This is the way I like it. I am a huge supporter of limited government, and less legislation is best. Repeal every law that did not receive a supermajority in the Senate first, and then see if these legislators know how to work for the people for a change. They lost.

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With 1 conservative party and 1 regressive party, I am still amazed you fellows still tick. Usually due to the beaurocracy

 

And hey, broad support for a law is excellent and I am all for it. Sadly the US doesn't work like that cause your 2-party system is anything but pro bi-partisan.