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[Zacch]

 

 

Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.

 

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?

 

Math

 

 

I don't see it, just because there are more town than scum doesn't mean Isoc was killed by town.

 

Isoc is a strong player, I think this was a good decision by scum to take him out.

[vgmmaster]

Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?

Math

I don't see it, just because there are more town than scum doesn't mean Isoc was killed by town.

Isoc is a strong player, I think this was a good decision by scum to take him out.

To be honest, I don't necessarily know/recall playstyles or how strong a particular player is so I'll take your word for that.

That said, while math is on the side as Chaplain said, my thinking is this. While it's difficult to pin inactivity on day 1 as super scummy perhaps since there not much to go on, when you say practically nothing, it's still going to raise an eyebrow specifically. I would've definitely been looking extra hard in their direction if they were still alive and it's possible someone else may have been as well.

The other thing, if mafia sees the town calling out someone that isn't there own, wouldn't they perhaps use that to their advantage and let us pick each other off in order to lay low?

So you're right, there's no guarantee. Just, if I had to put money on it, I'm suspecting it's a town vig in this instance.

[Imran Ehsan]

Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?

Math

How so?

[Chaplain of death]

 

 

 

Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.

 

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?

 

Math

 

 

I don't see it, just because there are more town than scum doesn't mean Isoc was killed by town.

 

Isoc is a strong player, I think this was a good decision by scum to take him out.

 

Isoc being a strong player also makes him a threat if he were scum, and seasoned players may target other experienced players for that reason.
 

 

 

 

 

Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?

Math

How so?

 

vgm literally said "Just a guess". The guess is based in part on the math of there being more townies than scum (or that's my guess about her guess (Guessception!)). 

Do you guys want me to have undeniable evidence for why vgm has made this guess when we have no evidence to run off of and no voting record?

[Zacch]

 

 

 

 

Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.

 

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?

 

Math

 

 

I don't see it, just because there are more town than scum doesn't mean Isoc was killed by town.

 

Isoc is a strong player, I think this was a good decision by scum to take him out.

 

Isoc being a strong player also makes him a threat if he were scum, and seasoned players may target other experienced players for that reason.
 

 

 

 

 

Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?

Math

How so?

 

vgm literally said "Just a guess". The guess is based in part on the math of there being more townies than scum (or that's my guess about her guess (Guessception!)). 

Do you guys want me to have undeniable evidence for why vgm has made this guess when we have no evidence to run off of and no voting record?

 

 

I just don't see the logic behind a townie killing Isoc last night. There was nothing to go on, we have a very narrow window to figure out who is scum, shooting ourselves in the foot by taking a blind stab in the dark on night one is just reckless and borderline negligent.

 

That being said, I find it suspicious that someone would come right out the gate on day 2 and say "oh that could've been town that killed him" almost suggesting that we shouldn't really pay much attention to his killing. It gives me "congratulating the doctor" vibes to a degree. 

 

FoS: VGM  

[Northern Empire]

That being said, I find it suspicious that someone would come right out the gate on day 2 and say "oh that could've been town that killed him" almost suggesting that we shouldn't really pay much attention to his killing. It gives me "congratulating the doctor" vibes to a degree. 

 

That's an interesting take- That had not occurred to me,  

attention diverting? 

I still don't see to what end? 

[KevinH]

Vote Count:

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Not voting: LordSunday, vgmmaster, Chaplain of death, Imran Ehsan, Northern Empire, Zacch

 
With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Deadline is Wednesday, October 4, at 11:00 EDT.

If there is no lynch by deadline, the player with the most votes at that time will be lynched.
In the event of a tie, one player will be chosen randomly from those tied to be lynched.
 

[Imran Ehsan]

I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. 

Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

[vgmmaster]

I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. 

Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

 

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. 

 

One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. 

[Imran Ehsan]

 

 

 

 

Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.

 

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?

 

Math

 

 

I don't see it, just because there are more town than scum doesn't mean Isoc was killed by town.

 

Isoc is a strong player, I think this was a good decision by scum to take him out.

 

Isoc being a strong player also makes him a threat if he were scum, and seasoned players may target other experienced players for that reason.
 

 

 

 

 

Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?

Math

How so?

 

vgm literally said "Just a guess". The guess is based in part on the math of there being more townies than scum (or that's my guess about her guess (Guessception!)). 

Do you guys want me to have undeniable evidence for why vgm has made this guess when we have no evidence to run off of and no voting record?

 

 

When you say "Math!" that implies there is very good logic and probability of iSoc being shot by townies. Fact is most townies would not not shoot on N1 with almost 0 clues they had on D1. iSoc was also least likely to be shot based on his posts on D1 by townies. LS was more likely to be shot by a townie, due to him not posting. Only VGM raised issue about iSoc being suspicious.

 

I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. 

Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

 

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. 

 

One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. 

 

 

The fact that you want someone to have great reasoning with his posts on D1 with 0 info is supicious by itself.

Isoc being a strong player also makes him a threat if he were scum, and seasoned players may target other experienced players for that reason.

 

wait what? I missed this part. You think townies may shoot other strong players on N1 because they may become strong scum, over possibly having a strong player with the townies hunting scum? I cant get my head around this logic. 

[vgmmaster]

 

 

I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. 

Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

 

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. 

 

One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. 

 

 

The fact that you want someone to have great reasoning with his posts on D1 with 0 info is supicious by itself.

 

I'm obviously not expecting great reasoning, but is it too much to ask for people to possibly have thoughts about the setup and how they expect things to go? 

[Zacch]

 

 

 

I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. 

Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

 

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. 

 

One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. 

 

 

The fact that you want someone to have great reasoning with his posts on D1 with 0 info is supicious by itself.

 

I'm obviously not expecting great reasoning, but is it too much to ask for people to possibly have thoughts about the setup and how they expect things to go? 

 

 

Yes, we all have thoughts about the setup, it was suggested multiple times on day 1 that the setup could lead to town on town violence. 

 

But your post is different, it feels like your trying to steer town away from putting any value into Isoc's death and the interactions he had with other people on day 1.

 

AND COD coming to your defense also feels suspicious. I would not be surprised if VGM and COD are scum.

[vgmmaster]

Ask yourself this though. Pretend you're the mafia. If you and your partner only have two shots, would you try to use one of them right away or would you save them for when your shots have more power? Because if I was mafia and I was at the endgame with no bullets vs two townies where at least one had a bullet, that's a terrifying situation to be in if you're scum. Not to mention the fact numerous people may have wanted to protect themselves night 1 by commuting, thus wasting a bullet. So it would make sense to save at least one if not both bullets night 1. It's why I don't presently suspect the isoc kill to be a scum kill unless they're using it to potentially frame me. I personally would expect night 2 to be bloodier, but who's to say?

 

Shifting gears, what if the kill on isoc is someone with an itchy trigger finger. I would expect an itchier trigger to belong to somebody with less experience. Which, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but most of us have a fair amount except for Empire? Not necessarily saying Empire is scum, but perhaps someone who's newer and not familiar with all the ins and outs would want to get their bullet off before being killed themselves?

 

 

 

 

I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. 

Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

 

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. 

 

One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. 

 

 

The fact that you want someone to have great reasoning with his posts on D1 with 0 info is supicious by itself.

 

I'm obviously not expecting great reasoning, but is it too much to ask for people to possibly have thoughts about the setup and how they expect things to go? 

 

 

Yes, we all have thoughts about the setup, it was suggested multiple times on day 1 that the setup could lead to town on town violence. 

 

But your post is different, it feels like your trying to steer town away from putting any value into Isoc's death and the interactions he had with other people on day 1.

 

AND COD coming to your defense also feels suspicious. I would not be surprised if VGM and COD are scum.

 

 

The thing is, isoc didn't really have any interactions day 1 with anybody unless you count his post towards LordSunday concerning his wedding. Only other post was his no lynch vote with practically no other text.

[Zacch]

Ask yourself this though. Pretend you're the mafia. If you and your partner only have two shots, would you try to use one of them right away or would you save them for when your shots have more power? Because if I was mafia and I was at the endgame with no bullets vs two townies where at least one had a bullet, that's a terrifying situation to be in if you're scum. Not to mention the fact numerous people may have wanted to protect themselves night 1 by commuting, thus wasting a bullet. So it would make sense to save at least one if not both bullets night 1. It's why I don't presently suspect the isoc kill to be a scum kill unless they're using it to potentially frame me. I personally would expect night 2 to be bloodier, but who's to say?

 

Shifting gears, what if the kill on isoc is someone with an itchy trigger finger. I would expect an itchier trigger to belong to somebody with less experience. Which, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but most of us have a fair amount except for Empire? Not necessarily saying Empire is scum, but perhaps someone who's newer and not familiar with all the ins and outs would want to get their bullet off before being killed themselves?

 

 

 

 

I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. 

Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

 

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. 

 

One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. 

 

 

The fact that you want someone to have great reasoning with his posts on D1 with 0 info is supicious by itself.

 

I'm obviously not expecting great reasoning, but is it too much to ask for people to possibly have thoughts about the setup and how they expect things to go? 

 

 

Yes, we all have thoughts about the setup, it was suggested multiple times on day 1 that the setup could lead to town on town violence. 

 

But your post is different, it feels like your trying to steer town away from putting any value into Isoc's death and the interactions he had with other people on day 1.

 

AND COD coming to your defense also feels suspicious. I would not be surprised if VGM and COD are scum.

 

 

The thing is, isoc didn't really have any interactions day 1 with anybody unless you count his post towards LordSunday concerning his wedding. Only other post was his no lynch vote with practically no other text.

 

If Isoc was killed by town, then how come no one has claimed it yet?

 

I know that if I used my vig shot on Isoc and was wrong, I would come out and admit it. Especially if people were starting to form suspicions of other players associated with his death.

 

It just doesn't make sense for a townie to take a blind stab in the dark on night 1.

 

Northern Empire, if you did kill Isoc (as a townie) on night 1, please admit it.

 

Otherwise I don't see any better options than to lynch VGM.

[vgmmaster]

If Isoc was killed by town, then how come no one has claimed it yet?

 

 

Not everyone has posted yet during day 2, so someone inactive could have done the killing if we expect the killer to come out right away. But to me, it makes sense that the killer (especially if town) hasn't come clean because then it keeps the mafia guessing on which townies have their bullets left and which ones do not. Because presumably, the mafia would place townies without their bullets down the priority list of potential night victims. 

 

I know that if I used my vig shot on Isoc and was wrong, I would come out and admit it. Especially if people were starting to form suspicions of other players associated with his death.

 

Refer to my earlier point. It's also easy to say that when there's no scrutiny being placed on you presently.

 

It just doesn't make sense for a townie to take a blind stab in the dark on night 1

 

 

I agree that a townie shouldn't have randomly shot someone in the dark, but doesn't change the fact that it could have happened. But if someone else was suspicious in anyway, and saw my post prior to the end of day 1, they could have seen that as validation to go through with their shot.

[Zacch]

 

If Isoc was killed by town, then how come no one has claimed it yet?

 

 

Not everyone has posted yet during day 2, so someone inactive could have done the killing if we expect the killer to come out right away. But to me, it makes sense that the killer (especially if town) hasn't come clean because then it keeps the mafia guessing on which townies have their bullets left and which ones do not. Because presumably, the mafia would place townies without their bullets down the priority list of potential night victims. 

 

 

 

I know that if I used my vig shot on Isoc and was wrong, I would come out and admit it. Especially if people were starting to form suspicions of other players associated with his death.

 

Refer to my earlier point. It's also easy to say that when there's no scrutiny being placed on you presently.

 

 

 

It just doesn't make sense for a townie to take a blind stab in the dark on night 1

 

 

I agree that a townie shouldn't have randomly shot someone in the dark, but doesn't change the fact that it could have happened. But if someone else was suspicious in anyway, and saw my post prior to the end of day 1, they could have seen that as validation to go through with their shot.

 

 

You raise a good point on why no one has claimed, but if not claiming results in a townie by lynched on day 2, then I would suspect a claim will come before the day is over.

[vgmmaster]

If you feel lynching me is your best bet, then feel free. But not only will I come up town, the reasoning of Chaplain defending his scum buddy will go down the tubes as well.

[Northern Empire]

 

( seems to me it would be a free kill for a mafia - and still to early to be able to identify one from the other,  ) 

 

As i stated earlier- 

there is no reason for a townie to use their shot this early- 

 

but i do find it interesting that VG seems to be pointing fingers, 

my guess is VG is attempting to divert attention to others, 

I still feel; it was free or almost free mafia kill - if they know who each other is then its free, and if they don't then it gives them the best chance to take a shot without killing the other. 

[Imran Ehsan]

 

 

 

I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. 

Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

 

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. 

 

One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. 

 

 

The fact that you want someone to have great reasoning with his posts on D1 with 0 info is supicious by itself.

 

I'm obviously not expecting great reasoning, but is it too much to ask for people to possibly have thoughts about the setup and how they expect things to go? 

 

 

Not always applicable for everyone and specially not on D1. Most D1 posts are fluff with people making random votes or No lynch votes. They dont have to give any reasons because they have no info. You being an experienced player should know that very well. 

[Imran Ehsan]

Ask yourself this though. Pretend you're the mafia. If you and your partner only have two shots, would you try to use one of them right away or would you save them for when your shots have more power? Because if I was mafia and I was at the endgame with no bullets vs two townies where at least one had a bullet, that's a terrifying situation to be in if you're scum. Not to mention the fact numerous people may have wanted to protect themselves night 1 by commuting, thus wasting a bullet. So it would make sense to save at least one if not both bullets night 1. It's why I don't presently suspect the isoc kill to be a scum kill unless they're using it to potentially frame me. I personally would expect night 2 to be bloodier, but who's to say?

 

Not necessarily the only valid strategies for scum in this game. They may have decided to get off both their shots on N1. If they were successful there would 3 townies vs 2 scum. If they got one lislynch on D1, that means scum would win because both will commute on N2 and vigs wont be able to kill them.

 

Its possible scum tried to frame you based on your D1 post. But obviously you do not think that likely, because you think townies killed him. And that you are adamant that a townie killed him makes me wonder what the strategy is here.