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[KH-28] Fight or Flight Mafia - TOWN wins

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Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.

 

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?

 

Math

 

 

I don't see it, just because there are more town than scum doesn't mean Isoc was killed by town.

 

Isoc is a strong player, I think this was a good decision by scum to take him out.

 

Isoc being a strong player also makes him a threat if he were scum, and seasoned players may target other experienced players for that reason.
 

 

 

 

 

Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.


What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?
Math

How so?

 

vgm literally said "Just a guess". The guess is based in part on the math of there being more townies than scum (or that's my guess about her guess (Guessception!)). 

Do you guys want me to have undeniable evidence for why vgm has made this guess when we have no evidence to run off of and no voting record?

 

 

When you say "Math!" that implies there is very good logic and probability of iSoc being shot by townies. Fact is most townies would not not shoot on N1 with almost 0 clues they had on D1. iSoc was also least likely to be shot based on his posts on D1 by townies. LS was more likely to be shot by a townie, due to him not posting. Only VGM raised issue about iSoc being suspicious.


 

I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. 


Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

 

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. 

 

One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. 

 

 

The fact that you want someone to have great reasoning with his posts on D1 with 0 info is supicious by itself.


 

 

Isoc being a strong player also makes him a threat if he were scum, and seasoned players may target other experienced players for that reason.

 

wait what? I missed this part. You think townies may shoot other strong players on N1 because they may become strong scum, over possibly having a strong player with the townies hunting scum? I cant get my head around this logic. 

 

 

I don't know which part you find confusing. There are a number of strong players with a win/loss record here on these forums. I think either side can view these players as a threat so writing it off as a scum shot iSoc based on the info we have is misleading at best. Are you trying to lead town to the conclusion that one of the scum kills is gone in order to influence the way they play?

 

 

 

 

 

I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. 


Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

 

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. 

 

One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. 

 

 

The fact that you want someone to have great reasoning with his posts on D1 with 0 info is supicious by itself.

 

I'm obviously not expecting great reasoning, but is it too much to ask for people to possibly have thoughts about the setup and how they expect things to go? 

 

 

Yes, we all have thoughts about the setup, it was suggested multiple times on day 1 that the setup could lead to town on town violence. 

 

But your post is different, it feels like your trying to steer town away from putting any value into Isoc's death and the interactions he had with other people on day 1.

 

AND COD coming to your defense also feels suspicious. I would not be surprised if VGM and COD are scum.

 

I feel like that's a bit of a leap to call it me coming to their defense.



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I don't know which part you find confusing. There are a number of strong players with a win/loss record here on these forums. I think either side can view these players as a threat so writing it off as a scum shot iSoc based on the info we have is misleading at best. Are you trying to lead town to the conclusion that one of the scum kills is gone in order to influence the way they play?

 

The point you made that townies may want to shoot good players early is ludicruos. Only scum will want to shoot off good players and keep the inactives and inexperienced around. You yourself claimed thats its simple math that a townie shot iSoc and not a scum. I cant see how you are so sure, as well as VGM. It seems to me that it is more likely that scum shot iSoc and your feeble logics to point the other way is what is actually confusing. 


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I just find it interesting that right before D1 ended, VGM posted the iSoc is suspicious and then he gets killed at night. It kinda looks like VGM trying to set up a reason for iSoc getting killed at night and then ohh that seems like a townie shooting a suspicious townie. 


Unless of course VGM is claiming that she shot iSoc at night. is that so VGM?

 

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. 

 

One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. 

 

 

The fact that you want someone to have great reasoning with his posts on D1 with 0 info is supicious by itself.

 

I'm obviously not expecting great reasoning, but is it too much to ask for people to possibly have thoughts about the setup and how they expect things to go? 

 

 

Not always applicable for everyone and specially not on D1. Most D1 posts are fluff with people making random votes or No lynch votes. They dont have to give any reasons because they have no info. You being an experienced player should know that very well. 

 

 

I have experience in the past, yes. But, unless my memory fails me, I do recall even day 1s being much more active in the past. Perhaps things have shifted in the 10-15 years since. The vast majority of my experience comes from the olden days and not so much recent games, so perhaps things have changed a bunch over the years. I'm beginning to notice that doesn't seem to be the trend these days however, so you can blame that on me being from the old guard. 


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Ask yourself this though. Pretend you're the mafia. If you and your partner only have two shots, would you try to use one of them right away or would you save them for when your shots have more power? Because if I was mafia and I was at the endgame with no bullets vs two townies where at least one had a bullet, that's a terrifying situation to be in if you're scum. Not to mention the fact numerous people may have wanted to protect themselves night 1 by commuting, thus wasting a bullet. So it would make sense to save at least one if not both bullets night 1. It's why I don't presently suspect the isoc kill to be a scum kill unless they're using it to potentially frame me. I personally would expect night 2 to be bloodier, but who's to say?

 

Not necessarily the only valid strategies for scum in this game. They may have decided to get off both their shots on N1. If they were successful there would 3 townies vs 2 scum. If they got one lislynch on D1, that means scum would win because both will commute on N2 and vigs wont be able to kill them.

 

Its possible scum tried to frame you based on your D1 post. But obviously you do not think that likely, because you think townies killed him. And that you are adamant that a townie killed him makes me wonder what the strategy is here. 

 

 

For sure, there's plenty of potential strategies. I was just throwing out a couple thoughts of my own in that regard. The same could be same for town. Do you guarantee surviving to day 2 with protection or do you hold off as long as possible and try playing chicken with the mafia? 

 

My initial thinking was that the mafia might want to save their bullets (or at least one of them) for closer to the end game, but I could be very wrong on that. I think with the fact there's only been one kill, that was a logical conclusion to consider. But, there's no way of knowing if perhaps they both did fire and one of their shots missed thanks to commuting. I personally think that would be a bit reckless of scum to do that, so don't really consider that to be on the table.

 

As for them trying to frame me, it's very much possible. I didn't take it up seriously at the beginning of the day, but I am starting to think more and more that's the case. And with some people being pretty quiet, they could just be waiting in the shadows while I get myself lynched. 


And speaking of hiding in shadows, I'd like to point out that LordSunday has YET to post for day 2. 


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Ask yourself this though. Pretend you're the mafia. If you and your partner only have two shots, would you try to use one of them right away or would you save them for when your shots have more power? Because if I was mafia and I was at the endgame with no bullets vs two townies where at least one had a bullet, that's a terrifying situation to be in if you're scum. Not to mention the fact numerous people may have wanted to protect themselves night 1 by commuting, thus wasting a bullet. So it would make sense to save at least one if not both bullets night 1. It's why I don't presently suspect the isoc kill to be a scum kill unless they're using it to potentially frame me. I personally would expect night 2 to be bloodier, but who's to say?

 

Not necessarily the only valid strategies for scum in this game. They may have decided to get off both their shots on N1. If they were successful there would 3 townies vs 2 scum. If they got one lislynch on D1, that means scum would win because both will commute on N2 and vigs wont be able to kill them.

 

Its possible scum tried to frame you based on your D1 post. But obviously you do not think that likely, because you think townies killed him. And that you are adamant that a townie killed him makes me wonder what the strategy is here. 

 

 

For sure, there's plenty of potential strategies. I was just throwing out a couple thoughts of my own in that regard. The same could be same for town. Do you guarantee surviving to day 2 with protection or do you hold off as long as possible and try playing chicken with the mafia? 

 

My initial thinking was that the mafia might want to save their bullets (or at least one of them) for closer to the end game, but I could be very wrong on that. I think with the fact there's only been one kill, that was a logical conclusion to consider. But, there's no way of knowing if perhaps they both did fire and one of their shots missed thanks to commuting. I personally think that would be a bit reckless of scum to do that, so don't really consider that to be on the table.

 

As for them trying to frame me, it's very much possible. I didn't take it up seriously at the beginning of the day, but I am starting to think more and more that's the case. And with some people being pretty quiet, they could just be waiting in the shadows while I get myself lynched. 


And speaking of hiding in shadows, I'd like to point out that LordSunday has YET to post for day 2. 

 

 

Kevin are you going to replace LS if he doesn't post? I feel like he's only posted once this entire game.

 

I really hate voting for the most inactive people, sometimes you get lucky but most of the time they are just inactive town.



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I don't know which part you find confusing. There are a number of strong players with a win/loss record here on these forums. I think either side can view these players as a threat so writing it off as a scum shot iSoc based on the info we have is misleading at best. Are you trying to lead town to the conclusion that one of the scum kills is gone in order to influence the way they play?

 

The point you made that townies may want to shoot good players early is ludicruos. Only scum will want to shoot off good players and keep the inactives and inexperienced around. You yourself claimed thats its simple math that a townie shot iSoc and not a scum. I cant see how you are so sure, as well as VGM. It seems to me that it is more likely that scum shot iSoc and your feeble logics to point the other way is what is actually confusing. 

 

How many games have we been in in which an overzealous townie with a kill ability kills a town one N1 based on next to no information? Without actually going back and digging the games up I'd wager that more often then not when the town had access to a kill ability they pulled the trigger early with no good leads.



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I would rather not lynch LS. If possible, replace him. Lynching him gives us no info and with no investigative roles for townies in this game, we get info only from lynching. I am not getting scum vibes from either Zacch or NE. We need more info going into N2, and my feeling is we will hit scum in one of VGM and/or COD.

 

Vote: VGM

 

Your posts have felt off to me. You have also been trying to bring up possible lynch suspects based on inactivity or inexperience, instead of actually scum hunting. It feels like you want a mislynch, regardless of whether scum gets found or not. 


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I would rather not lynch LS. If possible, replace him. Lynching him gives us no info and with no investigative roles for townies in this game, we get info only from lynching. I am not getting scum vibes from either Zacch or NE. We need more info going into N2, and my feeling is we will hit scum in one of VGM and/or COD.

 

Vote: VGM

 

Your posts have felt off to me. You have also been trying to bring up possible lynch suspects based on inactivity or inexperience, instead of actually scum hunting. It feels like you want a mislynch, regardless of whether scum gets found or not. 

 

 

For once, myself and Imran are on the same page.

 

I've detailed by reasons in many posts, but to summarize, VGM feels the most scum to me at this point, starting with the day 2 post and attempt to devalue isoc's killing.

 

I don't see any better candidates at this point, and no lynch is not an option so....

 

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I would rather not lynch LS. If possible, replace him. Lynching him gives us no info and with no investigative roles for townies in this game, we get info only from lynching. I am not getting scum vibes from either Zacch or NE. We need more info going into N2, and my feeling is we will hit scum in one of VGM and/or COD.

 

Vote: VGM

 

Your posts have felt off to me. You have also been trying to bring up possible lynch suspects based on inactivity or inexperience, instead of actually scum hunting. It feels like you want a mislynch, regardless of whether scum gets found or not. 

 

 

For once, myself and Imran are on the same page.

 

I've detailed by reasons in many posts, but to summarize, VGM feels the most scum to me at this point, starting with the day 2 post and attempt to devalue isoc's killing.

 

I don't see any better candidates at this point, and no lynch is not an option so....

 

Vote: VGM

 

with the given information 

and as you state - no better candidate

 

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Seems we've reached a decision.

Vote: VGM



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Just as a preamble since I'm basically making up for days of conversations I'm pretty much taking the entire day in chunks and going from there. In other words, there may be quite a bit of inconsistent flow as I quote different messages and put my thoughts below them... WITH THAT IN MIND:

 

 

 

 

Just a guess, but my thinking is a townie shot isocialism. Then the question is if the Mafia would still have both their bullets or if one was wasted on somebody who commuted.

 

What makes you think Isoc was killed by a townie?

 

Math

 

 

There doesn't seem like there was much to go on here to begin with. I can't presume to know vgm's reasoning, but assuming it was math then yes probability would state that since there are 4 town and 2 scum remaining the odds would favor a townie having shot. However since this isn't random probability math doesn't exactly apply in the same sense.

 

 

I just don't see the logic behind a townie killing Isoc last night. There was nothing to go on, we have a very narrow window to figure out who is scum, shooting ourselves in the foot by taking a blind stab in the dark on night one is just reckless and borderline negligent.

 

That being said, I find it suspicious that someone would come right out the gate on day 2 and say "oh that could've been town that killed him" almost suggesting that we shouldn't really pay much attention to his killing. It gives me "congratulating the doctor" vibes to a degree. 

 

FoS: VGM  

 

Zaach put this and I tend to agree. Given that there is nothing to go on except our votes and our posts it would be very unwise for a townie to have wasted their shot on N1 on the grounds of anything posted during D1.

 

 

I am not claiming to have shot iSoc. While the temptation may have been there, I figured it would be best to pressure him on day 2 (which unfortunately didn't happen with his death). I only would have liked to have seen more reasoning either when he made his vote, or even prior would have been fine. 

 

One could argue LordSunday could be in that camp as well with lack of activity. Which, he did slip my mind at that time, but looking back through day 1, he's only posted fluff as well with nothing meaningful. Which, to be fair, he was gone for a few days with his wedding. Just worth pointing out his posting prior to his departure. 

 

vgm put this in response to Imran asking if they used their shot on iSoc. My only question would be since vgm was the only one to have thrown iSoc's name out there on D1 who else would have used the shot?

 

A good point here to consider in vgm's defense could be that scum used a shot N1 to kill iSoc with the knowledge it would cast eyes towards vgm. Or, as Imran noted, it could be a ploy by vgm to try and seem more innocent. Either way that would mean that scum killed iSoc last night, whether that be vgm or someone scum hoping to frame them.

 

My lack of posting/activity at the time was absolutely a fair point. Definitely not fair to y'all that the events of the past week threw it into the game mix. I will be happily making up for that with my involvement here forward.

 

 

It's why I don't presently suspect the isoc kill to be a scum kill unless they're using it to potentially frame me. I personally would expect night 2 to be bloodier, but who's to say?

 

Shifting gears, what if the kill on isoc is someone with an itchy trigger finger. I would expect an itchier trigger to belong to somebody with less experience. Which, someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but most of us have a fair amount except for Empire? Not necessarily saying Empire is scum, but perhaps someone who's newer and not familiar with all the ins and outs would want to get their bullet off before being killed themselves?

 

vgm making my prior point right here about framing. With nothing to go on but words and votes it comes down to what each individual townie personally believes.

 

I personally have only played a handful of games (like 4 or 5?), not nearly the amount as most here. Enough to say I'm very unfamiliar with any of the "ins and outs." That being said though it seemed pretty apparent that using a shooting action on the first night would more likely than not lead to a bad result. I would argue it's much more likely a newer, inexperienced player would be more apt to have used their commute N1 in hopes to guarantee themselves another day.

 

CoD mentioned math for the reasoning why a townie shot iSoc, but I'm going to use that math instead for why an "itchy finger" would be a horrible decision.

 

Let's say NE or myself are new players who decided for some reason we would go all vigilante with zero knowledge and nothing but D1 posting. At that point we'd be all but picking a name out of a hat, and given the setup would have a 1/3 chance of hitting correctly. In what world is a 33% chance of hitting scum (that could have also used their commutes to guarantee their own survival on a potentially gruesome first night) a good idea? Best case scenario the town gets super lucky. Worst case, a dead townie and a town bullet wasted.

 

 

If Isoc was killed by town, then how come no one has claimed it yet?

 

I know that if I used my vig shot on Isoc and was wrong, I would come out and admit it. Especially if people were starting to form suspicions of other players associated with his death.

 

It just doesn't make sense for a townie to take a blind stab in the dark on night 1.

 

Northern Empire, if you did kill Isoc (as a townie) on night 1, please admit it.

 

Otherwise I don't see any better options than to lynch VGM.

 

This rings either one of two things. If scum used their shot for iSoc, there's no reason for them to claim it because of the inevitable heat it would bring having to justify their actions.

 

On the other hand, trying to draw out a townie to claim their shot has been used is basically inviting scum to keep them alive as a "lame duck." No need for scum to waste a shot on someone that's half a threat. Zaach trying to push for a townie to claim the shot makes this post kind of suspicious to me.

 

 
Not everyone has posted yet during day 2, so someone inactive could have done the killing if we expect the killer to come out right away. But to me, it makes sense that the killer (especially if town) hasn't come clean because then it keeps the mafia guessing on which townies have their bullets left and which ones do not. Because presumably, the mafia would place townies without their bullets down the priority list of potential night victims. 

 

Thank you vgm for making the point I just typed lol

 

 

Not necessarily the only valid strategies for scum in this game. They may have decided to get off both their shots on N1. If they were successful there would 3 townies vs 2 scum. If they got one lislynch on D1, that means scum would win because both will commute on N2 and vigs wont be able to kill them.

 

Its possible scum tried to frame you based on your D1 post. But obviously you do not think that likely, because you think townies killed him. And that you are adamant that a townie killed him makes me wonder what the strategy is here. 

 

There's probably a multitude of strategies that could be at play here. Given that night actions will provide little clarity beyond dead bodies there's no need for rushing on either side. Scum could choose to stir the pot by killing N1 just as easily as they could sit back and let us pick ourselves apart. That being said, we only were allowed to table the subject on the first day. From here forward we have to make a decision each time. Given that we can't indefinitely no-lynch, it may have been in scum's best interest to knock off a townie first night and hope to get a mislynch on D2.

 

A thought I haven't seen fully considered yet (I may get to it on page 4) is that there is a possibility both scum shots were used last night, and the second target commuted.

 

 
The point you made that townies may want to shoot good players early is ludicruos. Only scum will want to shoot off good players and keep the inactives and inexperienced around. You yourself claimed thats its simple math that a townie shot iSoc and not a scum. I cant see how you are so sure, as well as VGM. It seems to me that it is more likely that scum shot iSoc and your feeble logics to point the other way is what is actually confusing.

 

Imran perfectly sums up my opinion on why scum shot iSoc here. Whether that was scum setting up a frame of vgm or vgm themselves is the question.


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The differance between IRON and some rag tag alliance is the fact that we will fight with no reguard to our own nations. Putting the greater good of the whole before ourselves. Victory for all or they will have to fight us to the last point of infa in the last IRON nation. Every so often someone(s) will come around and exemplifie this. Living up to the IRON Values. It gives me great pleaser to baptize three of IRON's up and comers.

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Seems we've reached a decision.

Vote: VGM

 

So you think VGM is scum so you are voting? Or are you voting just to be on the wagon? I have seen no post from you that says you are suspicios of VGM. So why are you voting for her?


Imran perfectly sums up my opinion on why scum shot iSoc here. Whether that was scum setting up a frame of vgm or vgm themselves is the question.

 

You have agreed to some of mine and Zacchs posts but also agreed with some of VGMs. I am unclear what your actual stance is. Do you think VGM is the scum or no?

 

Anyway, with LS also finally posting we now have no townies coming forward to take credit for the shot at iSoc, so I think we can be sure that scum shot iSoc. 


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Seems we've reached a decision.

Vote: VGM

 

So you think VGM is scum so you are voting? Or are you voting just to be on the wagon? I have seen no post from you that says you are suspicios of VGM. So why are you voting for her?


 

 

Imran perfectly sums up my opinion on why scum shot iSoc here. Whether that was scum setting up a frame of vgm or vgm themselves is the question.

 

You have agreed to some of mine and Zacchs posts but also agreed with some of VGMs. I am unclear what your actual stance is. Do you think VGM is the scum or no?

 

Anyway, with LS also finally posting we now have no townies coming forward to take credit for the shot at iSoc, so I think we can be sure that scum shot iSoc. 

 


The suspicion seems to land on either me or vgm. Im obviously not voting for myself when I know Im town and theres no additional information to be gained by voting myself out.


I still think that the suspicion on me is based on a post which was without real substance. You asked me to elaborate and I did, and you tore apart my elaboration, which is fine, but there is still a statistical probability based on pure number of townies vs scum. You can start talking about the skill of the various players which may play into their decision making but we are still talking about statistics. Which means a one word answer of "math" is still accurate even if we come to different conclusions. Especially when we are talking about me giving an answer to the question of how someone else reached a conclusion which I obviously cannot know their thought process without them explaining which they had not done yet. 



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Seems we've reached a decision.

Vote: VGM

 
So you think VGM is scum so you are voting? Or are you voting just to be on the wagon? I have seen no post from you that says you are suspicios of VGM. So why are you voting for her?

Imran perfectly sums up my opinion on why scum shot iSoc here. Whether that was scum setting up a frame of vgm or vgm themselves is the question.

 
You have agreed to some of mine and Zacchs posts but also agreed with some of VGMs. I am unclear what your actual stance is. Do you think VGM is the scum or no?
 
Anyway, with LS also finally posting we now have no townies coming forward to take credit for the shot at iSoc, so I think we can be sure that scum shot iSoc. 

Seeing the day hammered I wanted to make sure to put my “catch-up” thoughts out. Given more time, yes I believe vgm is scum. My statements of the opposite was simply acknowledging that there were alternate angles to consider while reading through

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The differance between IRON and some rag tag alliance is the fact that we will fight with no reguard to our own nations. Putting the greater good of the whole before ourselves. Victory for all or they will have to fight us to the last point of infa in the last IRON nation. Every so often someone(s) will come around and exemplifie this. Living up to the IRON Values. It gives me great pleaser to baptize three of IRON's up and comers.

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vgmmaster (4): Imran Ehsan, Zacch, Northern Empire, Chaplain of death,
Chaplain of death (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):
LordSunday (0):
Northern Empire (0):
Zacch (0):

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Not voting: LordSunday, vgmmaster,

 
vgmmaster, Townie, has been lynched
 

It is now Night 2. 

Please send all night actions by Thursday, October 5, at 12:00 EDT

 



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Night 2 ends.

 

And what a night it was!

 

LordSunday, mafia, killed Imran Ehsan, townie.

Imran Ehsan, townie, killed LordSunday, mafia.

Zacch, townie, killed Chaplain of Death, mafia.

 

Only townies remain.

 

Town (Imran Ehsan, iSocialism, Northern Empire, vgmmaster, Zacch) wins!

 

Previously:

Night 1:

Imran Ehsan commuted.

Northern Empire killed iSocialism.

Day 2:

vgmmaster lynched.



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Lol...Nice.

Good job all.

LS, your huge wall of post text was a dead give away that you are scum. :P
and NE killed iSoc. What?! :D

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Lol...Nice.

Good job all.

LS, your huge wall of post text was a dead give away that you are scum. :pand NE killed iSoc. What?! :D


Super disappointing because that was me actually trying to just catch up on a missed day!! Unfortunately with everyone having conversations and dialogue townie or scum that post would’ve probably been the exact same. So I would’ve been dead both ways!

The town shooting iSoc was a massive blessing for us. It set up the vgm lynch perfectly without any real effort on our part (even at half strength for the whole day). After that there were two options on the table; commute last night to frame you and Zacch for leading charge on vgm (the whole “scum framed them” angle that vgm very helpfully talked about), or let CoD get picked off by a suspicious town, kill one townie, and enter the day 2-1. I then would've claimed shooting CoD and let events play out from there. I had figured NE shot because Zacch seemed eager to claim it if he had and it was too random a killing to have been you. CoD was also probably going to be have low activity for most of D3 because of a trip he had to take which pushed us away from the original commuting plan. Scum really got distracted this game lol.

Either way good game.

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The differance between IRON and some rag tag alliance is the fact that we will fight with no reguard to our own nations. Putting the greater good of the whole before ourselves. Victory for all or they will have to fight us to the last point of infa in the last IRON nation. Every so often someone(s) will come around and exemplifie this. Living up to the IRON Values. It gives me great pleaser to baptize three of IRON's up and comers.

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