No explanation for your vote EM?

 

Below was his last post prior to voting.

 

I'm still confused on who is telling the truth but will most likely vote for CD today. Out of everyone left alive, he has been the most suspicious.

Unofficial Vote Count:

 

AKCPLUTO (3) - Falzis, Martino, CanucksDynasty

Falzis (1) - Aquinas

CanucksDynasty (2) - AKCPLUTO, Electric Mango

 

Not Voting (1) - Narsis

 

 

 

Well...if AKCPLUTO is townie...then congrats mafia for winning the game.

CD, if Narsis were to vote for you, and we were to be tied for votes, what happens then?

CD, if Narsis were to vote for you, and we were to be tied for votes, what happens then?

 

IF no-one changes their votes...then you would be lynched since you reached 3 votes first.

 

Aquinas has his vote on Falzis.

He could change his mind and vote for one of us if he so chooses.

Well...I was waiting to see how EM voted.

Out of all...he was the one I suspected as scum (other than Martino).

I would have voted the opposite of how he would have voted.

 

He voted for me instead of ACKPLUTO or Falzis.

One of them has to be mafia.

 

IF ACKPLUTO was townie...it would have been an easy vote for him to place it on.

EM didn't vote for Falzis cuz he really doesn't have a valid arguement for it.

If that is the case...then EM and Narsis are the other mafia since I firmly believe Aquinas is townie.

 

 

So therefore...God...hope I'm right.

 

Vote: ACKPLUTO

 

I think its clear this vote was also placed to save your own skin being tied with ACKPluto before you voted. This vote insured you'd survive if the vote stay the way they are. One of the reasons why I didn't vote for ACKPluto was because of this. I figured you'd vote for him after ElectricMango voted for you. However I wonder, you wrote a good post defending SinKon/ACKPluto a long while ago (so much so I don't want to dig it up although I think you may remember). Why now do you vote for him? It looks to me like you're just trying to save yourself rather than vote for a scum target to me. Could you confirm this our further justify your vote for ACKPluto instead of Falzis, ElectricMango or Martino? Maybe not so much ElectricMango or Martino at this point but, certainly Falzis indeed is in the same scum-tell boat by voting patterns and night actions as ACKPluto is in.

 

I think its clear this vote was also placed to save your own skin being tied with ACKPluto before you voted. This vote insured you'd survive if the vote stay the way they are. One of the reasons why I didn't vote for ACKPluto was because of this. I figured you'd vote for him after ElectricMango voted for you. However I wonder, you wrote a good post defending SinKon/ACKPluto a long while ago (so much so I don't want to dig it up although I think you may remember). Why now do you vote for him? It looks to me like you're just trying to save yourself rather than vote for a scum target to me. Could you confirm this our further justify your vote for ACKPluto instead of Falzis, ElectricMango or Martino? Maybe not so much ElectricMango or Martino at this point but, certainly Falzis indeed is in the same scum-tell boat by voting patterns and night actions as ACKPluto is in.

 

See below for my comments on ACKPLUTO recent posts.

 

 

I never accussed you of being mafia.

In fact...I pretty much defended you/SinKon on Day 4.

 

The fact that you are homing in on my unvote instead of the 2 who voted for you leads me to be more suspicous of you.

That behaviour is odd in itself.

It's almost as if you were given guidance to vote for me cuz I've garnered so much heat the past few days.

 

 

You definitely need to do some more re-reading since I didn't post right after Martino voted for you.

Falzis, Narsis, and Martino had posted after Martino's vote...yet you for some reason voted for me.

 

On Feb 4th...I first voted for Martino and then subsequently unvoted.

On Feb 5th...Falzis voted for you.

On Feb 6th...Martino voted for you.

 

 

@EM, Narsis, and Aquinas - what are your thoughts so far with regards to 2 votes on AKCPLUTO?

 

 

All in all...AKCPLUTO voted out of the blue for me for being suspicious.

This was after 2 votes were placed on him.

 

IF he was townie...wouldn't he suspect one of them might be mafia?

But he chose to vote for me instead.

As if he received guidance to place a vote on me considering that I've received the most heat since Day 4.

I think its clear this vote was also placed to save your own skin being tied with ACKPluto before you voted. This vote insured you'd survive if the vote stay the way they are. One of the reasons why I didn't vote for ACKPluto was because of this. I figured you'd vote for him after ElectricMango voted for you. However I wonder, you wrote a good post defending SinKon/ACKPluto a long while ago (so much so I don't want to dig it up although I think you may remember). Why now do you vote for him? It looks to me like you're just trying to save yourself rather than vote for a scum target to me. Could you confirm this our further justify your vote for ACKPluto instead of Falzis, ElectricMango or Martino? Maybe not so much ElectricMango or Martino at this point but, certainly Falzis indeed is in the same scum-tell boat by voting patterns and night actions as ACKPluto is in.

 

Aquinas,

 

As I understand it, we're basically retaliating against each other? I realize it's unconventional...but hey...

 

Signed,

Pluto

I think its clear this vote was also placed to save your own skin being tied with ACKPluto before you voted. This vote insured you'd survive if the vote stay the way they are. One of the reasons why I didn't vote for ACKPluto was because of this. I figured you'd vote for him after ElectricMango voted for you. However I wonder, you wrote a good post defending SinKon/ACKPluto a long while ago (so much so I don't want to dig it up although I think you may remember). Why now do you vote for him? It looks to me like you're just trying to save yourself rather than vote for a scum target to me. Could you confirm this our further justify your vote for ACKPluto instead of Falzis, ElectricMango or Martino? Maybe not so much ElectricMango or Martino at this point but, certainly Falzis indeed is in the same scum-tell boat by voting patterns and night actions as ACKPluto is in.

 

I defended SinKon/ACKPLUTO back on Day 3 (when Sir Jesus was lynched instead). I thought he was townie then cuz I looked back on the voting patterns and thought that he received too many votes to be considered mafia (this was assumming that bussing didn't happen on Day 1). I even defended him on Day 4 for being a possible abandoned townie role (see my arguements with Falzis). His recent activities of voting cuz I unvoted seems odd to me. He even said it was a retailation vote (which is clearly wrong) but never removed his vote on me. Thus I became more suspicous.

 

Looking back at Day 4 when Martino was not lynched when he had 2 votes (CD, Narsis).

Why was that?

 

One possibility is that Martino is mafia.

The only other explanation was that one mafia member was inactive.

 

IF the second scenario is true...then ACKPLUTO is mafia and then so is Narsis and EM (since I believe you are townie).

I still don't believe 100% that Narsis claim of his item and roleblocking.

 

I think EM is scum.

If he voted with Martino and Falzis...then I'm sure ACKPLUTO would be townie.

But he didn't.

He didnt' even vote for Falzis.

 

Right now...my hypothesis is....

 

Martino, Falzis, EM are mafia.

or

Narsis, ACKPLUTO, EM are mafia.

 

My central theme is EM.

I could switch my vote to EM...but that might not accomplish anything since it would only be one vote.

 

So...I'm placing my bet on ACKPLUTO is mafia.

ok what? you think i'm mafia? tell me one scummy thing i've done this game that outweighs the townie things.

 

 

@Aquinas: you said this earlier:

 

I think its clear this vote was also placed to save your own skin being tied with ACKPluto before you voted. This vote insured you'd survive if the vote stay the way they are. One of the reasons why I didn't vote for ACKPluto was because of this. I figured you'd vote for him after ElectricMango voted for you. However I wonder, you wrote a good post defending SinKon/ACKPluto a long while ago (so much so I don't want to dig it up although I think you may remember). Why now do you vote for him? It looks to me like you're just trying to save yourself rather than vote for a scum target to me. Could you confirm this our further justify your vote for ACKPluto instead of Falzis, ElectricMango or Martino? Maybe not so much ElectricMango or Martino at this point but, certainly Falzis indeed is in the same scum-tell boat by voting patterns and night actions as ACKPluto is in.

 

however, you voted for Falzis before EM voted. with that in mind...what makes you so sure that such would happen?

 

 

@ CD: you view EM as scum. yet you voted for AKC. why? so you live? yet if AKC is townie then you lose regardless. if you do suspect him of being mafia...then by extension you suspect me. why me rather then Aquinas? what have i done so scummy more then him that would warrent such suspicion?

 

at a time when we are most likely LYLO...i believe that a vote is best laid on a player that you believe is mafia, whether others agree or not.

@ Narsis: You got me as far as knowing goes. I was pretty sure ElectricMango would vote for CanucksDynasty. I don't think that assumption was far off. He wasn't very active and his last accusations were pointed at CanucksDynasty. At which point I figured CanucksDynasty would turn around and vote for ACKPluto to make sure a half majority would not lynch him.

 

@ CanucksDynasty: You're sure in both of your scenarios that ElectricMango is scum. In a LOYL why are you voting for someone who is 50/50 scum in your scenarios instead of someone you are more sure of. There doesn't seem like much of a reason to vote for ACKPluto to save your skin here. If you mislynch you loose.

something else i find odd about CD:

 

you claim that if AKC is scum, i'm scum. yet i've clearly stated how either him or Falzis has to be mafia. furthermore, if you trust me so much as to believe my claim and vote for AKC over EM...

 

with all that in mind...why do you place me and AKC as scum together?

Unvote

 

It's been several hours now since my 3rd vote on ACKPLUTO.

My 3rd vote on ACKPLUTO proved several things.

 

1. IF ACKPLUTO was townie and Aquinas was mafia...he could have ended it but didn't.

2. IF ACKPLUTO was townie and Narsis was mafia...he could have ended it but didn't.

3. IF ACKPLUTO was mafia...neither one of you placed the hammer vote (one of you could be mafia, the other townie).

 

None of my scenarios have both of you as mafia.

 

Vote: Electric Mango

 

 

something else i find odd about CD:

 

you claim that if AKC is scum, i'm scum. yet i've clearly stated how either him or Falzis has to be mafia. furthermore, if you trust me so much as to believe my claim and vote for AKC over EM...

 

with all that in mind...why do you place me and AKC as scum together?

 

That is only because I have Aquinas as a townie.

And if AKC is scum...then Martino and Falzis couldn't be scum.

Therefore all that would be left is you (Narsis) and EM.

 

That is how I linked it - AKC, Narsis, EM.

 

Unvote

 

It's been several hours now since my 3rd vote on ACKPLUTO.

My 3rd vote on ACKPLUTO proved several things.

 

1. IF ACKPLUTO was townie and Aquinas was mafia...he could have ended it but didn't.

2. IF ACKPLUTO was townie and Narsis was mafia...he could have ended it but didn't.

3. IF ACKPLUTO was mafia...neither one of you placed the hammer vote (one of you could be mafia, the other townie).

 

None of my scenarios have both of you as mafia.

 

Vote: Electric Mango

Assuming that is what you were trying to prove, I find it a rather risky play. In two of your three scenarios we would have lost the game right there. In the third ACKPLUTO is scum, yet you unvote?

That is only because I have Aquinas as a townie.

And if AKC is scum...then Martino and Falzis couldn't be scum.

Therefore all that would be left is you (Narsis) and EM.

 

That is how I linked it - AKC, Narsis, EM.

 

1. why do you trust Aquinas so much?

2. why couldnt Martino and Falzis be scum?

Assuming that is what you were trying to prove, I find it a rather risky play. In two of your three scenarios we would have lost the game right there. In the third ACKPLUTO is scum, yet you unvote?

 

Sometimes risk needs to be taken.

 

I unvoted at the time to clear my head.

I am becoming more convinced that ACKPLUTO is scum with each passing moment.

I'll post more on that thought a bit later.

1. why do you trust Aquinas so much?

2. why couldnt Martino and Falzis be scum?

 

 

1. I trust Aquinas so much cuz he came forth about his "investigation" on me.

If he was mafia...there would be no point in doing so.

2. Martino and Falzis could be scum...but...right now...I don't think so.

I'll elaborate in my following post.

I've thought about this late last night as I drifted to sleep.

 

I'm townie.

I have 2 votes on me.

Why haven't I been lynched???

 

1. 2 votes on me (ACKPLUTO, EM) - even if one of them is townie...I should have been lynched already.

2. Martino and Falzis had ample time to switch their vote on me but didn't...thus I believe them to be townie.

3. ACKPLUTO had 3 votes on him but still didn't get lynched (at least 6hrs until my unvote).

 

So...

Martino = townie

Falzis = townie

CD = townie

Aquinas - ? ... I believe is townie

 

So by process of elimination...

Narsis = mafia

EM = mafia

ACKPLUTO = mafia

 

Other than the possiblity of me being mafia...

Is my reasoning flawed???

 

 

The only way I can think that the scenario doesn't exist is that there is no 3 mafia (maybe less or just 1 SK).

I thought of this as a possibility given that the items we obtained are so weak in comparison to normal townie power roles.

Sorry for the inactivity, I won't have a pc for probably 2 weeks and have to use my breaks and lunches at work to access the game. I still think CD is the most scummy due to all the reasons I have already stated.

My gut still believes AKC to be scum. Inactive theory, Sinkon scum tells, and Narsis' item (which I believe to be credible 2nd only to Aquinas).

 

I'm guessing this day will probably end with a no lynch again if no consensus builds. (Will 2 votes lynch a person? If yes, then I will unvote if there is no lynch consensus before deadline)

I've thought about this late last night as I drifted to sleep.

 

I'm townie.

I have 2 votes on me.

Why haven't I been lynched???

 

1. 2 votes on me (ACKPLUTO, EM) - even if one of them is townie...I should have been lynched already.

2. Martino and Falzis had ample time to switch their vote on me but didn't...thus I believe them to be townie.

3. ACKPLUTO had 3 votes on him but still didn't get lynched (at least 6hrs until my unvote).

 

So...

Martino = townie

Falzis = townie

CD = townie

Aquinas - ? ... I believe is townie

 

So by process of elimination...

Narsis = mafia

EM = mafia

ACKPLUTO = mafia

 

Other than the possiblity of me being mafia...

Is my reasoning flawed???

 

 

The only way I can think that the scenario doesn't exist is that there is no 3 mafia (maybe less or just 1 SK).

I thought of this as a possibility given that the items we obtained are so weak in comparison to normal townie power roles.

 

your #2 point also applies to everyone not voting you, not just those two. so by that logic I and Aquinas would have had time to vote if we, or one of us, was mafia. in fact, with your unvote of AKC, why havent i voted you and essentially laid the hammer?

 

as for AKC not getting lynched...that is indeed solid reasoning for him being mafia, assuming that you three that voted him before are townie(or at least one of you is).

 

you are also right in that if Aquinas was mafia, why come forward and roleclaim? unless of course you are both mafia together. but if that's not the case then i would agree on Aquinas making sense as a townie.

 

yet you have forgotten about me so easily? i was the primary supporter, and in many ways the creator, or a game breaking strategy that would win it for the town. now why in the world would mafia do that?!?!? especially since per mole's own words he did not think of changing the rule until close to the end of the night.

 

 

 

now some more logic:

 

why wasnt i nk'd last night? this is something that's been puzzling me since the day began. if i was nk'd last night by Aquinas(and assuming CD was townie) then we would know that Aquinas killed me and we would get scum. if both him and CD are scum, then the town would gain no info. in fact, CD could abuse the item claim and use it to get Martino or EM killed(if one is townie). if Aquinas is townie and CD scum, he could again abuse the item claim to get Aquinas killed. if they were both townie, then CD would provide some information(although i'm still not sure what kind of information that would be provided due to the odd claim). lastly, if i was nk'd not by Aquinas, but he is mafia, then again CD would gain information.

 

 

so thinking about that...and the fact that scum avoided the above possible scenarios(since i lived)...it seems to make sense that CD is a townie. if he was anything otherwise...he could have used his item claim to get a townie lynched, and thus win the game.

 

so here's my list sorta...:

 

 

Aquinas: townie. this is due to his claim and defense of CD, who i believe is a townie and thus they couldnt be mafia together.

 

CD: townie. see above wall of text.

 

Me: townie. i know my role. but beyond that i have supported townie based strategies and have done nothing scummy, or at least nothing so scummy as to make even a decent case against me.

 

Falzis: neutral. am leaning scum(gut feeling) but dont have much in the way of a case.

 

EM: neutral. has played the game much to close to his chest unlike previous games. he also has activity issues. @EM: if you are indeed townie...i believe that your more aggressive style is needed for this day. who do you think is town? who is neutral? who is mafia? and why?

 

Martino: neutral. am leaning scum however. he's been lurking a lot in this game. also, he wasnt hammered the other day(which would have only required two scum to vote him...which is enough to bypass the inactive mafia theory) @Martino: who do you think is town? who is neutral? who is mafia? and why?

 

AKC: scum. considering the inactive scum theory for yesterday, the fact that either him or Falzis must be mafia, and the fact that mafia didnt hammer him today...

 

lastly:

 

@mole: did you only think of changing the rule after the beginning of night 1?(i know this via pm but i dont think you've explicitly said it in thread yet.)

 

PS: for those interested: i tend to pm mole a lot when he does something significant in game or in relation to me. you can pick up a surprising amount of useful information doing this.

My gut still believes AKC to be scum. Inactive theory, Sinkon scum tells, and Narsis' item (which I believe to be credible 2nd only to Aquinas).

 

I'm guessing this day will probably end with a no lynch again if no consensus builds. (Will 2 votes lynch a person? If yes, then I will unvote if there is no lynch consensus before deadline)

 

a no lynch will result in a mafia win if there are three mafia. we better lynch.

a no lynch will result in a mafia win if there are three mafia. we better lynch.

 

Oh right.

@Narsis - I see your wall of text. And honestly...I don't know anymore.

 

I do think that EM is scum - hence my vote on him.

 

IF there is 3 mafia...

I should be dead by now if either ACKPLUTO or EM is townie.

But I'm not.

So I have to think that they are both mafia.

IF ACKPLUTO is mafia...then I can't see Martino and Falzis as being mafia (voting for their own???).

 

That only leaves Aquinas and you (Narsis)...unaccounted for.

 

 

 

 

 

If you're already sure AKC is scum, why haven't you voted for him yet Narsis?