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[Narsis]

As far as a couple FOSs in my direction, I don't lend much credence. I threw out a strategy to get people talking and ignite discussion. As you can see from the shortness and qucikness of the post it wasn't considered much beyond surface examination of the strategy. I am glad we've come up with better plans. If anyone is convinced I'm scum from that behavior there isn't much I can do. As to being quiet, I'm sorry. I've been keeping busy but, I get on when I can.

Anyway, I think the essence of my last post was that I wanted to do a choice strategy over room decisions. I think it lends more information to the town. Sure, with a list we might thwart a scum or maybe two but, we're not as close to catching them as we could have been if we would have had their motivations. Furthermore, if we end up with three people in a room we're looking at two targets. If only one of those is scum it'd be way easier to identify the scum from those two if we had ascertained intentions prior to the night kill. The list in my previous post served a purpose to organize things. If we choose rooms in a predetermined order we still retain some of the scum damage control that a total list strategy offers. I think randomness favors the scum over the town. If we can control the order in which we pick we limit scum viability for room decisions and influence over how the randomness is carried out. We could go down the list today and up the list tomorrow. That would give us even a greater advantage because we could still get some overlap which would get is closer to identifying scum and some polarity where if we see less actions than we think were possible we can target those rooms.

As far as lynching today goes, I am for it. We're looking for information and we're not going to get it from not acting. As a townie I am fully aware that all the power in my role comes from using my lynch vote. We need to get those scum. If we're not acting we're limiting our chances to lynch the scum. Its our only innate offensive ability. We might lynch a townie on day one, sure but, that gives us a better chance to get a scum on day two. Remember, Electric Mango's cases were worst case scenarios. We could do a lot better at getting scum from vote counts and room positions than day four. I think that is actually pretty likely. If we think about how the scum will be night killing they are going to be very aware of what rooms they are killing in. We can use the information from why a room with a night kill was used in was picked by the people using that room in conjunction with voting patterns (especially by day three and beyond) we're looking at a lot of information to find scum and rule out the scuminess of townies.

I'd say these two choices work together for getting townies information than the conjunction of any other two strategies. I am again entering my list/choice hybrid here. I'd like to get some feedback on it as well. If we can control the choice but, also demand reasoning on votes I think the town is in a good position.

Again, I'll being staying as active as I can. I read everything as it happens so if we encounter some dire situation I'll do my best to reroute my schedule.

just a thought but what exactly do you mean by hybrid? do you mean choosing only the first one or maybe two people to go into a room and then having free choice beyond that? or do you mean something else?

[KevinH]

At this point, we don't know who the mafia are and the mafia don't know who has power roles. There's not going to be any real strategy in getting into rooms based on roles. However, if the mafia need to get into the cockpit we can potentially stop them. (or maybe they need the W.C. ...)

I'd like to get into a room with 2 other townies, please!

[Narsis]

At this point, we don't know who the mafia are and the mafia don't know who has power roles. There's not going to be any real strategy in getting into rooms based on roles. However, if the mafia need to get into the cockpit we can potentially stop them. (or maybe they need the W.C. ...)

I'd like to get into a room with 2 other townies, please!

from past experience: the mafia do not need to enter the cockpit. the plane crashes regardless.

[Electric Mango]

There has been good debate on both sides of the issues.

It seems that most townies believe that a lynch is the best decision for the town because it will put 3 people in each room, ensuring that we will have a 50/50 chance of lynching mafia the next day. Plus it will give us an extra day of voting patterns to go off. I am fine with this strategy.

The other debate on list/no list still rages.

I believe forced lists still give us the best option, others agree, still others do not. I propose that we all vote either for PRO LIST or ANTI LIST and once a majority (7) is reached, that will be the decision we follow.

I'll vote first......

PRO LIST

[Narsis]

for at least day 1:

ANTI-LIST

for after day 1:

depends...

[Firkked]

Pro List

[angel of doom]

Pro List

potentially puts the scum into the same room together to cut off spreading out

[KevinH]

PRO LIST

[Aquinas]

just a thought but what exactly do you mean by hybrid? do you mean choosing only the first one or maybe two people to go into a room and then having free choice beyond that? or do you mean something else?

The Hybrid Plan:
The plan is that we would follow the sign up list in order and in that order choose our room order. The first four people would be forced to pick the four separate rooms. Then the fifth person would pick a room to double up in and the next three would follow suit and not until the ninth person would pick to be the third person in the room. I think this would be the best strategy because it would allow us the rigid scum control of the list and the ability to extrapolate from peoples room selection.

At this point we have 3 PRO LIST and 1 ANTI LIST votes. I'll cast my vote with the ANTI LIST team for now. The anti list choice is a risk, that I grant you but, I don't see how we can expect to gain nearly as much information from assignments off a list. That said, I think we can dramatically reduce that risk by using the Hybrid Plan. I'm going to vote ANTI LIST because we need to chose but, I am stating right now that I think a random choice strategy does not help the town. We need to have an order to the votes to prevent a scum take over. The best way to do that I can see is to use the sign up sheet. I think the lesser of two evils is choosing because although the scum will get an edge in being fast acting if its random, we need the information that only assignments without a list can provide.

Concurring opinion for ANTI LIST. I'd still like some more feedback on using the aforementioned plan.

[Firkked]

I voted pro list, but even with a list or room assignment chart anyone can deviate (albeit at the expense of being labeled scum for the next day) and with only one move for your night position I'd rather have that first night set firmly as possible so any changes will help in the next day's scum hunt.

[Narsis]

I voted pro list, but even with a list or room assignment chart anyone can deviate (albeit at the expense of being labeled scum for the next day) and with only one move for your night position I'd rather have that first night set firmly as possible so any changes will help in the next day's scum hunt.

but no one is going to be stupid enough to change!

[Falzis]

The Hybrid Plan:
The plan is that we would follow the sign up list in order and in that order choose our room order. The first four people would be forced to pick the four separate rooms. Then the fifth person would pick a room to double up in and the next three would follow suit and not until the ninth person would pick to be the third person in the room. I think this would be the best strategy because it would allow us the rigid scum control of the list and the ability to extrapolate from peoples room selection.

At this point we have 3 PRO LIST and 1 ANTI LIST votes. I'll cast my vote with the ANTI LIST team for now. The anti list choice is a risk, that I grant you but, I don't see how we can expect to gain nearly as much information from assignments off a list. That said, I think we can dramatically reduce that risk by using the Hybrid Plan. I'm going to vote ANTI LIST because we need to chose but, I am stating right now that I think a random choice strategy does not help the town. We need to have an order to the votes to prevent a scum take over. The best way to do that I can see is to use the sign up sheet. I think the lesser of two evils is choosing because although the scum will get an edge in being fast acting if its random, we need the information that only assignments without a list can provide.

Concurring opinion for ANTI LIST. I'd still like some more feedback on using the aforementioned plan.

I like this.

PRO HYBRID

[Aquinas]

Of course, I like this too.

What do other people think?

No longer ANTI LIST
PRO HYBRID

Thanks for the support Falzis.

[Aquinas]

EBWOP

Of course, I like this too.

What do other people think?

If we are okay counting it an option (and I don't see why not since I'm not the only loon that thinks this is a good idea )
No longer ANTI LIST
PRO HYBRID

Thanks for the support Falzis.

[junkahoolik]

a hybrid list could be fun... i'm for one of them

[KevinH]

I always thought that even without a list, we would still group into 4 rooms. I don't want to give the mafia an opportunity to choose where they go; I remain pro-list.

[Falzis]

So it's 2,3,6,9 and 1,4,7,8 right on two nights? Which could be interchangeable.

[angel of doom]

unvote

PRO HYBRID

[Kaziocore]

I like Aquinas's idea. Hybrid seems right to me.

PRO HYBRID

But I think there could be a problem with that since we only have 48 hours to do that. So all of us should be extra active or something.

[Firkked]

unvote pro list

pro hybrid