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[molestargazer]

Angel of Doom has requested replacement.

He will be replaced by SinKon! Hello there!

VOTE COUNT
KevinH (1): Firkked

No Lynch (1): Sir Jesus

Not Voting (11): Narsis, Junkahoolik, Electric Mango, KevinH, crazyemolad, Falzis, Kaziocore, Aquinas, Martino, CanucksDynasty, angel of doom

Edited by molestargazer, 06 November 2009 - 03:39 PM.

[junkahoolik]

hei sinkon.

also, i'm out of things to say

[Narsis]

welcome Sinkon!

so what are your thoughts on what we've been discussing?

[CanucksDynasty]

Welcome to the crazy house SinKon...
Have fun reading all 13 pages so far (and that's just for Day 1 aka D1).

[Falzis]

Poor SinKon. Take a day or two to take all the discussion in.

[Firkked]

I sure hope you're a speed reader SinKon!

and welcome to the tin foil haberdashery

[SinKon]

Haven't finish reading everything yet, I am new. This is my first game, but I am pro list and pro lynch because that are the best chance we got.
I believe, even if there is a cop here, he/she would be pro lynch too! Certainly would not support no lynch because lynching could get a lucky kill and at worse lower the number of suspect. Yeah, the chances of killing a townie is greater then that of a mafia, but the longer we wait, the more night kills they get. The number will end up about the same, the differecen is that we will be the only ones taking the losts!! (I am assuming that is more than 1 mafia here) If there is only one then, we definitely need to lynch!

So, thats is my logic.

vote: Sir Jesus. because he is for no lynch, he could be a mafia or not but definitely not a cop, or a smart cop...any way. His chances of being a mafia is 50/50 and less than 50 for being a cop, I think. (assuming my logic is sounded)

Pro list
Pro lynch

They are always my stand!
Thank you.

Vote: Sir Jesus

[SinKon]

I am sorry if I am double posting but I beleive there is a no edit rule and I haven't finish reading everything yet.
I know there is a no quite rule for the mod but no quote rule does not apply to other right? I see other quoting each other.
So I will too!

I am absolutely in favor of this.

Townies don't know whom the scum are, but scum knows whom the townies are. If we self-select, that will give the scum a potential advantage.

FOS = Finger of Suspicion
EBWOP = Edit By Way Of Post

This doesn't make sense to me.
Yes, we don't know whom the scums are
Yes, the scums knows who we are

If we self-select, that will give the scum a potential advantage? What are you talking about?!
What advantage?
So you are saying we shouldn't self-select but be selected by scums?
That doesn't make sense to me and I believe, no one confronted you on that, so I will do it :lolcharge:
Please explain. XD

[Firkked]

Nice catch SinKon!

[SinKon]

How did the vote go?
What room do I go to?
Am a bit lost here. XD

[Sir Jesus]

KevinH, I totally missed that post! It makes perfect sense, dude.

This whole self-selection thing is retarded. We are letting the mafia choose who they occupy a room with. Of course, we can choose who we are around too, but we know nothing about them. However, the mafia knows who is who, and can spread themselves throughout the plane for maximum effect.

I can't believe we are letting people choose rather than doing this randomly. This is absolutely ridiculous, we are lynching on D1 and we are giving people free choice in their placement within the plane ..... Jesus Christ ... we are removing half the benefits that this game-style sets up. Instead of deriving information from plane geography, we are going to (most likely) lynch a townie randomly to try and draw patterns from it. This (D1 lynching) is what should be done normally, but this game offers so much more information that we can manipulate than this.


And the accusation against me is absolutely ridiculous... Your logic is there is a 50/50 chance I'm mafia and less than 50% chance that I'm the cop. I would vote to eliminate you if I didn't think you were a pro-town role.

[Narsis]

KevinH, I totally missed that post! It makes perfect sense, dude.

This whole self-selection thing is retarded. We are letting the mafia choose who they occupy a room with. Of course, we can choose who we are around too, but we know nothing about them. However, the mafia knows who is who, and can spread themselves throughout the plane for maximum effect.

I can't believe we are letting people choose rather than doing this randomly. This is absolutely ridiculous, we are lynching on D1 and we are giving people free choice in their placement within the plane ..... Jesus Christ ... we are removing half the benefits that this game-style sets up. Instead of deriving information from plane geography, we are going to (most likely) lynch a townie randomly to try and draw patterns from it. This (D1 lynching) is what should be done normally, but this game offers so much more information that we can manipulate than this.


And the accusation against me is absolutely ridiculous... Your logic is there is a 50/50 chance I'm mafia and less than 50% chance that I'm the cop. I would vote to eliminate you if I didn't think you were a pro-town role.

dont know why but this post seems to carry a tone of sarcasm.

[SinKon]

What? Did I missed somthing? How does that make sense? We are talking about lynching right?
You are talking about room thingy, I though we will all get put into a room on a list or something?

What is this "half the benefits that this game-style sets up" you are talking about?

accusation against me is absolutely ridiculous... Your logic is there is a 50/50 chance I'm mafia and less than 50% chance that I'm the cop. I would vote to eliminate you if I didn't think you were a pro-town role.

Actually, that is what you should do, I believe.
I mean, please follow my logic for a sec: (Is long, it make sense) I will break them up so is easier to understand.

1) If you are a townie, you could get kill from being lynch or from the mafia.
2) The only way we could kill mafia is by lynching
3) we can't lynch the cop, if we have one
4) but we don't know who is the cop.
5) If we don't kill the mafia fast, the mafia will kill us.
6) They have the power to choose who to kill
7) We have the power to choose who to kill
8) We don't know who we are killing until that person is dead. Right?
9) The mafia, know who to kill

Here is what my logic leads me to

10) Leave the mafias alone and we are the only one getting kill.
11) We have to kill the mafias but not the cop
12) A cop should be pro lynching
13) You are not pro lynching
14) You are killable. XD

Look, we can't save the whole town but we could save most of the town by lynching!
Reguardless of what you do, people will die. You have to be aggressive!
The game is setup this way.
What way you might ask:

As I understand it:

Townies outnumbered the mafia
Townies could only kill mafia by lynching.
Townies don't know who are the mafia
Yeah, you might lynch the innocents
but If you don't lynch, mafia will do all the killings! and we lose.


So, if you are not the cop or you are highly unlikely of being the cop, then you are fair game. XD
Lynching helps the cop so he/she could check on someone else, that is if there is a cop.
If there is no cop, lynching is our only way.

I feel like I am going in circle with my reasoning but is still sounded. Right?

I want to know why you are against lynching?
How do you suggest we win?
No lynch makes the cop work harder and puts him in more danger because it takes him longer to check people.
If there is no cop, then lynching and getting lucky is our only way!

I am going in circle again am I? XD

[Sir Jesus]

What I'm saying is that right now a lynch is totally random. If someone dies over the night and everyone is placed in 4 rooms (3 or four per room), then we can narrow down our lynch suspects to 2 or 3 people and significantly increase our chances of lynching mafia and not pro-townies. If we set up the rooms randomly, there is a decent chance we can catch mafia players together and really mess them up by keeping the positions rigid. Now they can spread out, collect items and kill without giving us a concrete platform of evidence.


No sarcasm in that post, its a shame it comes off that way. I'm totally exacerbated at the way this game is moving along. If we followed my plan to a T, I could guarantee a town win. However I have a feeling I would put up a plan, vocal mafia players will nitpick at minor details and we will be no closer to getting the bad guys because we will revert back to our current/retarded plan.

[CanucksDynasty]

What I'm saying is that right now a lynch is totally random. If someone dies over the night and everyone is placed in 4 rooms (3 or four per room), then we can narrow down our lynch suspects to 2 or 3 people and significantly increase our chances of lynching mafia and not pro-townies. If we set up the rooms randomly, there is a decent chance we can catch mafia players together and really mess them up by keeping the positions rigid. Now they can spread out, collect items and kill without giving us a concrete platform of evidence.


No sarcasm in that post, its a shame it comes off that way. I'm totally exacerbated at the way this game is moving along. If we followed my plan to a T, I could guarantee a town win. However I have a feeling I would put up a plan, vocal mafia players will nitpick at minor details and we will be no closer to getting the bad guys because we will revert back to our current/retarded plan.

But by lynching on D1...we siginificantly increase our chance of lynching on D2 and for certain on D3 (provided a nk happens at all).

[CanucksDynasty]

How did the vote go?
What room do I go to?
Am a bit lost here. XD

We are nowhere near a lynch.
Deadline is not until another 2 weeks or so (can't remember the exact date).

The majority has chosen a PRO-HYBRID list.
Choosing a room is done at night after the lynch (in a 48 hr period).

[Narsis]

first: what do you mean they can collect items and kill without giving us concrete evidence? with a list, especially a random list, they would have to give us no evidence, no reason, for being a room. by making them choose, they do need to give a reason.

also a lynch isnt necessarily random. you know as well as i why lynching in a normal game is so useful. so why the difference now? because we can have better odds at catching mafia? i think CD put it best...:

no lynch(worst case):

D1: no lynch
N1: townie dead
D2: townie dead
N2: townie dead
D3: townie dead
N3: townie dead <---if there are 4 mafia then mafia win
D4: mafia dead
N4: townie dead
D5: mafia dead
N5: townie dead
D6: mafia dead <---3 mafia dead so likely town win

lynch(worst case):

D1: townie dead
N1: townie dead
D2: townie dead
N2: townie dead <---would require 5 mafia for mafia win
D3: mafia dead
N3: townie dead
D4: mafia dead
N4: townie dead
D5: mafia dead <---3 mafia dead so likely town win

an interesting idea: the sooner we are able to limit all the rooms to 2 or fewer people, the better. this will give us 100% assurance of who the mafia is, assuming they nightkill. if they dont nightkill, then they are just waiting for a cop/investigate role to figure out who they are.

[junkahoolik]

actually, i thought it over. a hybrid list is full of bull. any kind of list is full of bull for that matter. mafia know who they are and if we post any kind of list that isn't random they can spread out too easily.

[Electric Mango]

Pro List (6)
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Electric Mango
KevinH
Sir Jesus
Martino
SinKon (Angel of Doom)
Junkahoolic

Anti List (0)
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Pro Hybrid (5)
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Aquinas
Falzis
Kaziocore
Firkked
Narsis


Not Voting (2)
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crazymolad
CanucksDynasty

To be fair to Sinkon, he should be allowed to have his vote counted. Junkahoolic has also changed his mind so I have updated the vote count.

CD and crazymolad hold the deciding votes.

If the Pro List flies I will do a screen shot of the NYSE top 13 stocks and use that to determine our room selection.

[Electric Mango]

actually, i thought it over. a hybrid list is full of bull. any kind of list is full of bull for that matter. mafia know who they are and if we post any kind of list that isn't random they can spread out too easily.

I'm assuming you would support Pro List which will randomize our room selection (see prev posts regarding NYSE). Let me know if I have your vote correct, or have a question regarding using the New York Stock Exchange to randomize our room selection.