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Plane Crash II - Game Thread - GAME OVER!


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For my purposes...

Townies
CD (me obviously)
Narsis (provided details in 4 separate room strategy)
Firkked (first to post 4 separate room strategy)
EM (presumably he had the same idea as Firkked...I'll believe him on this one)
Kaziocore (was the first to vote for crazy...not wanting to lynch a possible active townie)

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junkahoolic
crazyemolad
Martino
Falzis
Aquinas
KevinH
SJ

Suspects
AoD/SinKon - meh...my gut feeling

VOTE COUNT
SinKon (4): Sir Jesus, CanucksDynasty, Electric Mango, Aquinas
KevinH (1): Firkked
Sir Jesus (1): SinKon
crazyemolad (1): Kaziocore

Not Voting (6): Narsis, Junkahoolik, KevinH, crazyemolad, Falzis, Martino

Edited by molestargazer, 10 November 2009 - 08:47 PM.

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An additional replacement for Crazyemolad could be SinKon if he gets lynched...

Sorry for the relative inactivity - someone must have succeeded inputting a pox on my house as both kids have been throwing up all yesterday and a good portion of the first part of today, plus the wife and I are getting hit as well.

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Also, we already have four people of who I suspect a few were looking for an easy lynch.


Martino ~ This rubs me the wrong way. Obviously you're talking about the four who have voted for SinKon. Why not just come out and say who you are suspicous of then? Why not let the town know your suspicions. Townies have no info from the start, we must collect it as we go. If you think you have information that could help us, why be so ambiguous about it? Tell us, out of the 4, who are the two you think are suspicious and why.


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SinKon (4): Sir Jesus, CanucksDynasty, Electric Mango, Aquinas
KevinH (1): Firkked
Sir Jesus (1): SinKon
crazyemolad (1): Kaziocore

Not Voting (6): Narsis, Junkahoolik, KevinH, crazyemolad, Falzis, Martino


Also, you said you believe that lynching is protown and it will help us win the game. I found it strange that you said that but then slam on the 4 people that are doing what you said should be done. No one else is even a serious candidate, the next closest has only 1 vote, and the dead line is coming fast. If you think that a Day 1 lynch is necessary then why haven't you done anything to help get a lynch? You said it yourself, you think two out of the four are guilty, why not make a case against one of them?

About the no lynch vs lynch. I'm strongly in favor of lynching. First of all, we gain absolutely no information from voting no lynch. Secondly, we greatly increase the chance of a nightkill because the scum will be much more tempted to kill if they are in a room with 4 than when they are in a room with 3. Finally, we have much worse odds of finding the scum if a nightkill happens (assuming that one scum will be in the room with 4 players).


To summarize:

You said lynching is good

You say people are guilty but don't name names or provide evidence (Not helping us lynch)

You criticize people who are doing what you (and others) say is the best course for the town

To me you seem like the guy who wants to sit back and play "I told you so".

FOS: Martino

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Sorry for the relative inactivity - someone must have succeeded inputting a pox on my house as both kids have been throwing up all yesterday and a good portion of the first part of today, plus the wife and I are getting hit as well.


Hope you and the family are feeling better soon Firkked. Too bad it's on the weekend and not on a Monday :D
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Martino ~ This rubs me the wrong way. Obviously you're talking about the four who have voted for SinKon. Why not just come out and say who you are suspicous of then? Why not let the town know your suspicions. Townies have no info from the start, we must collect it as we go. If you think you have information that could help us, why be so ambiguous about it? Tell us, out of the 4, who are the two you think are suspicious and why.


VOTE COUNT
SinKon (4): Sir Jesus, CanucksDynasty, Electric Mango, Aquinas
KevinH (1): Firkked
Sir Jesus (1): SinKon
crazyemolad (1): Kaziocore

Not Voting (6): Narsis, Junkahoolik, KevinH, crazyemolad, Falzis, Martino


Also, you said you believe that lynching is protown and it will help us win the game. I found it strange that you said that but then slam on the 4 people that are doing what you said should be done. No one else is even a serious candidate, the next closest has only 1 vote, and the dead line is coming fast. If you think that a Day 1 lynch is necessary then why haven't you done anything to help get a lynch? You said it yourself, you think two out of the four are guilty, why not make a case against one of them?



To summarize:

You said lynching is good

You say people are guilty but don't name names or provide evidence (Not helping us lynch)

You criticize people who are doing what you (and others) say is the best course for the town

To me you seem like the guy who wants to sit back and play "I told you so".

FOS: Martino



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Martino ~ This rubs me the wrong way. Obviously you're talking about the four who have voted for SinKon. Why not just come out and say who you are suspicous of then? Why not let the town know your suspicions. Townies have no info from the start, we must collect it as we go. If you think you have information that could help us, why be so ambiguous about it? Tell us, out of the 4, who are the two you think are suspicious and why.

I was talking about those using the AoD was inactive so SinKon must be scum reasoning. Those were CD and Firkked(who did not vote for SinKon but gave his support for the lynch partly based on AoD past behavior). Firkked explained that it was not just the inactivity but also AoD's support of a spreading strategy. That reasoning was good enough for me, so I no longer have any suspicions of Firkked. Which leaves CD who, instead of being able to explain himself, has decided to attack me for questioning the reasoning behind his vote. Further I was just continuing my argument that the bandwagon picked up speed very fast. SinKon did not change his behavior in the last few posts and yet, after Sir Jesus put in the first vote, three others quickly followed. Would they have also voted if Sir Jesus did not? I doubt it.

Also, you said you believe that lynching is protown and it will help us win the game. I found it strange that you said that but then slam on the 4 people that are doing what you said should be done. No one else is even a serious candidate, the next closest has only 1 vote, and the dead line is coming fast. If you think that a Day 1 lynch is necessary then why haven't you done anything to help get a lynch? You said it yourself, you think two out of the four are guilty, why not make a case against one of them?

I never said two out of four ARE guilty. I said I thought that some were looking for an easy lynch, which I found suspicious. While we indeed need a D1 lynch, one important reason for this is information. If everyone would just follow along and jump on the bandwagon, we gain hardly any information. While I would agree that in this scenario even a random lynch is to be preferred over a no lynch(we need to get down to 12 players over 4 rooms), I believe this kind of a random lynch should be a last ditch effort. Not something we start with plenty of discussion time left.


To summarize:

You said lynching is good

You say people are guilty but don't name names or provide evidence (Not helping us lynch)

You criticize people who are doing what you (and others) say is the best course for the town

To me you seem like the guy who wants to sit back and play "I told you so".

FOS: Martino

Now your logic is completely off.
- I did say that lynching is good and I still believe that.
- I told you I was suspicious of those who used AoD's inactivity as reason for their SinKon vote/support of his lynch. Perhaps I could have repeated this in my other post, but I did tell you before where my suspicions lay.
- I criticize people who seemed to be voting for the mere purpose of getting someone lynched. Yes we need a lynch, but that does not mean we should simply lynch the first person that comes to mind.
- If I wanted to say "I told you so", I could have just laid low, watch you mislynch and then come out and blame you guys for mislynching. Instead, I wanted to discuss this issue while we still have a chance to change the outcome.

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@junkahoolik: now that we are out of the lynch/list debates and into scumhunting...any thoughts or comments?

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I think SinKon is a good lynch candidate, but something about it just doesn't feel right. His actions could be interpreted as scummy. I understand why hes our best candidate but, it doesn't feel like he is scum. Anyone share in that sentiment?

Also, I'm impressed with Martino's retort so I'll have to see more on that from either Electric Mango or Sir Jesus.

As for suspicions and accusations, I'm fresh out. At this point I think my vote on SinKon is out best option only because I'm really not getting scum vibes from anyone else. I'll be paying close attention to any commentary between Electric Mango and Martino, I think they'll be getting at some useful information if they keep up their dialogue.

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@ Martino - I agree that we should lynch the person who has the highest chances of being scum and not the first person that comes to mind. I also agree that someone must be lynched at the end of the day.

Deadline is 16th November, at 7:30PM GMT(ish).


This gives us 9 days, 4 of which are weekends, where activity is usually low. Needless to say, we must act quickly.

Keep in mind, we just spent the last 20 pages just arguing the mechanics of the game, almost no talk was made of lynching. That changed when a plausible case was made against SinKon. Who else has a better chance of being scum right now? If you think someone else does, then make a case against them.

We have to vote for someone, so if you think SinKon is the wrong candidate, then make a case, present your facts and hunches, and make this a two horse race. Time's a tickin'.
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Vote : SinKon


I gave my reasons previously on the AoD/SinKon FoS, after N1 and if no further information dissuades me from my earlier position I will push for KevinH on D2

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Vote: crazyemolad

Whoa! Let me explain myself.

I can see the point of only having 3 people in a room going into the night. I believe if we get into the rooms, then the mafia won't night-kill because it will expose them with too high of a probability.

With the inactivity of crazyemolad, it will cause problems with the plan. There might be 4 in a room which could encourage the mafia to night-kill. Crazyemolad might end up in an adjacent room and then get killed as a townie where there would be 6 mafia suspects.

Finally, because a day 1 lynch is essentially random, we might as well lynch an inactive and save the hassle of recruiting a replacement.

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Well thats it.
These will be my last words.
I would like to do a short recap

The reason I died...

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... What.
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I am speechless...

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I LOL'd
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actually...Kevin and Kazio make good points. unless crazyemolad is replaced as the day draws near the end, we have to lynch him. we just can't risk any inactives...

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actually...Kevin and Kazio make good points. unless crazyemolad is replaced as the day draws near the end, we have to lynch him. we just can't risk any inactives...


I believe I was the first to suggest this, for the record. I'm not bragging, but I don't want you assigning unnecessary townie points to people that may not deserve them.

Also we must be sure that all players are active during the 48 hours after the lynch. If crazymolad is still inactive he will be randomly assigned a room number. This will mess up our strategy because he has roughly a 40% chance of putting a room count to 4 people or a 50% going into an unassigned room alone. This would be the worst case scenario because scum would nk him and we would not know which room the killer came from.

If crazymolad has not been replaced when the dead line approaches we must lynch him above all others.


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yeah i remembered there was another person but not who...

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That is actually extremely good reasoning. Actually makes way more sense to vote for crazy then SinKon....

....but I'm going to have to put up with pages of baseless accusations as SinKon's bloodlust for me continue.

ugh.. I'll do what's best for the town. :drink:

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Hey, I am not blood lust against you. I was just confused.
I get confused easily, as you can tell.
If you have some time going back reading my posts, I have reasons for all my actions... although not very good ones.
But once you defeat my reasoning, I will more than lightly replace my reasoning with yours...
I just go with the best logical choice at the time.

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Voting for crazyemolad seems such a convenient choice to make. There's no rush to lynch him right away until around 2-3 days before deadline so I suggest people hold off on jumping the gun.
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