271 replies to this topic

[Rafay]

I am inactive cuz I've already cast my vote on who seems most scummy. Just look at his latest post. Simple enuff.

[Martino]

what ever makes you happy kevin. anyway, i'll switch my vote to Xarastier because i think lynching him now is the best way to increase the town's chances of winning. and on top of that, CoD did this game what he did during the previous game. he went into victim mode and accused all those that voted for him as probable scum.

 

 

vote: xarastier

 

If this is how he plays as a townie then he needs to change that. He is acting like he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. He is even coming close to personal attacks in his last post. There is, imo, no way we will ever catch him as scum if this is considered acceptable townie behavior.

[Preston]

Been watching the conversation with some interest - CoD is defending himself decently well, and the CoD vs Martino back-and-forth makes for some fun reading. I'm not sure how to read Martino's behavior - but he now has two votes on him, though one could just be Kevin mixing it up. I could almost see voting for Martino; I would be more likely to go that way than CoD, if forced to choose between the two. EM's being okay with lynching CoD seems partially based on wanting to just lynch ANYONE. My last post remains true; CoD is not my first choice for scum based on the day's behavior. That said, Kevin has revived commentary on the 'no lynch' option:

 

If a power role role is successful in either of the first two nights, we will wish we hadn't lynched a townie on Day 1. I'm feeling lucky in that there are 2 nights and possibly 2 power roles in which to get lucky. I don't feel lucky enough to hope that 5 of the 6 other townies are going to find 1 of the 2 scum and lynch them.

Does Chaplain of Death really need to be lynched and proven townie to cast suspicion on those that are voting for him?

If he is lynched and proven townie, will there be any suspicion at all placed on those that lynched him?

 

If a townie is lynched, odds are that at least ONE scum is in the mix that voted for them just by sheer numbers. Everyone WILL say 'I had no idea, he seemed scummy at the time' (and KevinH will say 'I told you so'), but we can look at who had the strongest attacks and whose votes became FINAL.

 

The problem is that if we DONT lynch and then CoD (or whoever gets the highest bandwagon) isn't killed by scum, then that will deny us verification/validation on which to base our analysis. 

 

At this point, though, there's a pretty considerable risk that we may indeed no-lynch by default, at which point we WOULD be hoping for a townie power role success... though we aren't guaranteed to have either doctor or jailer in this game to do so. Possibly votes will shift on the last day to make sure someone gets a majority. 

 

when i saw that 2 people quickly voted for him after me i was surprised to say the least. i decided to wait though until you replied before unvoting you. and i was also planning on voting for Xarastier because, well, he's been vote hopping like mad, which is both scummy and not helpful for townies.

 

your response is however unsatisfactory to say the least. it keeps in line though with the same habbits you showed during the prefious games so i'll have to ponder on what i'll do with the vote during the next few hours.

 

also, i have a pretty good idea what Xarastier will do however i want to see what EM does now. and it will also be interesting to see if anyone places the hammer vote.

 

Killgor voting for Xarastier is interesting... my #2 choice voting for my #1 choice, based on today's actions at least. I previously was not willing to put a second vote on someone when votes were so divided, but this gives me the opportunity to involve both members of my prospective scum list at once, and at this point CoD is back down to L-2 and Martino is at L-3. If this makes Xarastier a viable alternate candidate for further discussion, all the better - but more importantly I've been non-voting for long enough. Time to put my vote where I've said I would put it all along.

 

Vote: Xarastier

 

-Preston

[Kaziocore]

Votecount 1.08

KevinH (1) - Rafay
Electric Mango (0) -
killgor (0) -
Rafay (0) -
Xarastier (2) - killgor, Preston
Martino (2) - Chaplain of death, KevinH
Imran Ehsan (0) -
Preston (0) -
Chaplain of death (3) - Martino, Xarastier, Electric Mango

Not Voting (1) - Imran Ehsan

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Chaplain of death is the current wagon leader at L-2
Deadline is Saturday, March 23rd, 2012 @ 22:05 EDT

Edited by Kaziocore, 22 March 2013 - 03:53 AM.

[KevinH]

... on who seems most scummy. Just look at his latest post. Simple enuff.

 

I placed a vote and said why I placed the vote.  If that seems scummy, so be it.

 

(Yes, I am just mixing it up)

[Imran Ehsan]

I have high doubts of CoD being scum. Hence I have been following the discussion between him and Martino interestedly. If it was a choice between CoD and Martino I will probably vote for Martino at this point. But with only a couple of days left remaining we need to lynch.

 

I will go back to my first vote for Xarastier. I do not believe he will be helpful to the townies even if he is not scum. He pretty much bandwagons on votes and do no scum hunting at all. So he makes a good lynch target for Day 1 when no one looks scummy enough and we have no records of actions from past days.

 

Vote: Xarastier

[Electric Mango]

I'm going to re-think my decision now we have more viable candidatees.  It's going to take a day or two to re-read everything and see how it all read out. 

[Kaziocore]

Votecount 1.09

KevinH (1) - Rafay
Electric Mango (0) -
killgor (0) -
Rafay (0) -
Xarastier (3) - killgor, Preston, Imran Ehsan
Martino (2) - Chaplain of death, KevinH
Imran Ehsan (0) -
Preston (0) -
Chaplain of death (3) - Martino, Xarastier, Electric Mango

Not Voting (0) -

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Chaplain of death and Xarastier is/are the current wagon leader/s at L-2
Deadline is Saturday, March 23rd, 2012 @ 22:05 EDT

LESS THAN 36 HOURS BEFORE DEADLINE

Edited by Kaziocore, 22 March 2013 - 03:53 AM.

[killgor]

kazio, i think you wrote the wrong name in the xarastier wagon.

[Electric Mango]

My vote is still on CoD and Imran has the third vote on Xar.  

[Martino]

Is the deadline on Saturday or on the 22nd?

 

MOD: The 23rd. Check the link for the time left before deadline

 

In any case, we need to hurry or we are going to end up with a no lynch. I would still prefer to lynch CoD. I'm honestly a little confused that many people seem to think that he defended himself well. I thought he was very defensive, which I definitely do not see as a townie tell.

 

As for lynching Xarastier, he indeed seemed rather eager early on to hop onto any bandwagon, but he did give some (imo good) reasons for his current vote. So I think the timing to switch to Xarastier now is a little curious.

Edited by Kaziocore, 22 March 2013 - 03:56 AM.
mod speaks

[Chaplain of death]

For one, people think I defended myself well based on my agrument, not based on the fact that I had to argue so hard to be heard.

 

You appear to be the only one who thinks Xarastier's reason's were good, which is probably because his vote aligned with what you wanted. His argument was simply that the arguments that had been made (which were weak at best) were correct. He contributed nothing but to follow the town into another band wagon.

[Martino]

@MOD: Thanks having a link like that is great. Although the link actually shows the deadline to be today so on the 22nd (in 12 hours and 40 minutes). Just to make sure everyone is aware of the deadline.

 

For one, people think I defended myself well based on my agrument, not based on the fact that I had to argue so hard to be heard.

 

You appear to be the only one who thinks Xarastier's reason's were good, which is probably because his vote aligned with what you wanted. His argument was simply that the arguments that had been made (which were weak at best) were correct. He contributed nothing but to follow the town into another band wagon.

That doesn't help me understand it any more though. Clearly they thought you made a good argument otherwise they wouldn't have said you defended yourself well. I am just wondering which part of your argument convinced them. To me your argument came down to a little bit of "I was suspicious of Imran when I kept my vote on him at L-2 but my vote was random when I later unvoted when we were back at L-2" and a lot of "you must be scum because you are accusing me and because you are the most active player". Obviously, I missed the convincing part of your argument. So perhaps the people that believe you are a townie could let me know which part convinced them.

 

Clearly, I don't think that the arguments that had been made were weak at best. Your behavior did contradict itself and you had been pretty inactive until I started poking at you. I also was not the only one who agreed with the reasons as killgor and EM were also willing to lynch you. In any case, I just found it interesting that when you were close to being lynched, some votes popped up for Xarastier. Now, most of the people voting him definitely had cast their suspicions on him before. It is just one thing to consider. Should we at some point find out that you are scum, then some of the people getting the Xarastier bandwagon going here will be suspicious. On the other hand, if he is scum, that clears the people voting for him now since they could have easily taken you down instead. 

[killgor]

yup, the arguments he brought forth were paper thin. however martino, you didn't play the last game.

[Chaplain of death]

My arguments may have been paper thin. Granted I never claimed to have made any great points. I stated that you had no argument. You were lynching based on no evdince. Many people just wanted to lynch SOMEONE, regardless of who it was, so when you directed the entire conversation toward me, its logical that everyone who just wants to lynch someone would vote for me since I was the only band wagon and conversation had ceased on the other wagons (due to flooding the thread with accussations directed at me).

 

So again, I may not have made the best points in the world. In all likely hood, I didnt even do a good job defending myself because I should have gone back and quoted posts made, but this is finals week for me so I didn't have much time for that. I will be sure to be more active next week on.

[Chaplain of death]

I suppose I did say that I "defended myself well based on my argument" but my point was simply that my argument was based in evidence where your's was based in the manipulation of evidence. I need to stop posting when I'm falling asleep lol.

[Electric Mango]

Well, lynch or not, I feel we still gained some good information from today.  Not as much as we would have learned from a lynch but certainly a lot more than what we usually do.  

[Preston]

@MOD: Thanks having a link like that is great. Although the link actually shows the deadline to be today so on the 22nd (in 12 hours and 40 minutes). Just to make sure everyone is aware of the deadline.

 

I hadn't noticed the countdown link; that's nifty. Though you're right it IS a day fast... but all the more reason to finalize what we're going to do now. 

 

Clearly, I don't think that the arguments that had been made were weak at best. Your behavior did contradict itself and you had been pretty inactive until I started poking at you. I also was not the only one who agreed with the reasons as killgor and EM were also willing to lynch you. In any case, I just found it interesting that when you were close to being lynched, some votes popped up for Xarastier. Now, most of the people voting him definitely had cast their suspicions on him before. It is just one thing to consider. Should we at some point find out that you are scum, then some of the people getting the Xarastier bandwagon going here will be suspicious. On the other hand, if he is scum, that clears the people voting for him now since they could have easily taken you down instead. 

I suspected Xarastier earlier, before the discussion between you and CoD took center stage. I would very much rather lynch someone that I had more initial suspicion against; I still think Xarastier's mis-majority excuse is a pretty major mistake to make, and is/was a possible tipping of his hand/intentions. However if Killgor (whom I have also been watching) did not place a vote on Xarastier, I likely would have reserved my suspicions there until day 2.

 

The fact that Imran supported this with another vote is interesting - but we are coming down to the wire, so 'quick' is going to mean a bit less than it would have a few days ago. One way another we have to have a consensus within the next day or so (27 hours at this time?) or we'll lose our chance to lynch ANYONE today and have to live with our inaction. I'll be checking in tomorrow as we get closer to the actual time... we need an agreement on what we're going to do, and we have three-vote wagons at present. 

 

If we do go with lynching Xarastier today, then you're correct that there will be increased scrutiny on those of us who have voted for him, for good or ill. I'm fine with this, as my reason for suspecting Xarastier has been clearly stated since it occurred. We really do grab for straws on day 1... but I'm more comfortable with this particular straw than the one associated with CoD. If Xarastier is lynched and proves town, that would be unfortunate... but it will be no different from having lynched anyone else today and finding them to be town. I'd like to be hopeful that we could get a day 1 scum  lynch... but there's no way to be sure.

 

If we remain divided as the final hours approach, we'll have to decide what we're going to do. I would rather not shift my vote onto CoD, but in the name of getting SOME lynch today it might be worth doing. Otherwise we could be going into day 2 with no new information... 50% odds of no cop after all. If CoD is lynched and proves town, I'd be looking at Martino and Xarastier in particular. 

 

I'm going to re-think my decision now we have more viable candidatees.  It's going to take a day or two to re-read everything and see how it all read out. 

At this point you've got roughly a day to think it over EM. 

 

In terms of who can create a majority at this point if all other votes remain where they are, Rafay, CoD or KevinH could shift their votes to either Xarastier or CoD. CoD won't vote for himself, so the only way he's lynched is if Rafay and KevinH both vote for him. Xarastier can be lynched by two out of those three.

 

-Preston

[Kaziocore]

Votecount 1.09

KevinH (1) - Rafay
Electric Mango (0) -
killgor (0) -
Rafay (0) -
Xarastier (3) - killgor, Preston, Imran Ehsan
Martino (2) - Chaplain of death, KevinH
Imran Ehsan (0) -
Preston (0) -
Chaplain of death (3) - Martino, Xarastier, Electric Mango

Not Voting (0) -

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
Chaplain of death and Xarastier is/are the current wagon leader/s at L-2
Deadline is Saturday, March 23rd, 2012 @ 22:05 EDT

Edited by Kaziocore, 23 March 2013 - 03:33 AM.
no wait it's already past deadline

[Martino]

Well it seems like we are not going to be lynching anyone, especially since the closest vote is at L-2. I would still have preferred to lynch CoD, but a Xarastier lynch is better than a no lynch imo so I will put him on L-1 and hope that anyone else comes online before the deadline. 

unvote

vote Xarastier