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Cybernations Mafia

 
Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Vanilla Townie, Bodyguard, Commuter, Sane Cop, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Flavor Cop, Doctor, Friendly Neighbor, Follower, Gunsmith, Innocent Child, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Mafia Goon, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Ninja, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Traitor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Nurse, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Tracker, Universal Backup, Vigilante, Voyeur, Watcher

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Weak, X-Shot

 

Assigned character names are various alliances from Cybernations. Ignore all current Cybernations foreign relations. The current treaty web has no bearing on the assigned characters. Alliances were randomly assigned as "good" or "bad" roles so one's personal opinion of an alliance will not necessarily translate to this game.
 

Sample Role PM said:

You are Valhalla, a Vanilla Townie. Your power is in your vote. You win when the Town controls the game.

 
Players:

1) Imran Ehsan (New Pacific Order) a Town 2-Shot Roleblocker has been rolled on night 3.
2) Robert2424 (Independent Republic of Orange Nations) a Town Universal Backup, has been rolled on night 7.
3) d3mon (Green Protection Agency) a Town Jack-of-all-Trades has been disbanded on day 3.
4) Samus (Umbrella) a Town 2-Shot Rolestopper has been rolled on night 1.
5) Yehom (New Polar Order) a Town Even-Night Follower, has been rolled on night 5.
6) Rafay (Orange Defense Network) a Mafia Jack-of-all-Trades has been disbanded on day 6.
7) Canik
8) Chaplain of Death (Doombird Doomcave) a Town Non-Consecutive Night Watcher has been rolled on night 3.
9) Ali bin Turban (R&R) a Town Vanilla Cop has been rolled on night 4.
10) iSocialism
11) King Hitler (NATO) a Town 1-Shot Commuter has been rolled on night 2.
12) Kaziocore (The Legion) a Town Odd-Night Tracker has been disbanded on day 2.
13) Finster Baby (Mostly Harmless Alliance) a Mafia 1-Shot Strongman has been disbanded on day 5.
14) Rhizoctonia (The Dark Templar) the Mafia Godfather has been disbanded on day 4.
15) Lyner
16) Avater (Federation of Armed Nations), a Town Motion Detector, has been forced to disband on day 7.
17) Roquentin
18) Mandarijn

19) KevinH (Sparta) a Town Miller, has been rolled on night 6.

 

Rules:

• During the Day phase each player may speak and vote in-thread.
• If a player receives the majority of the available votes during the Day, they are lynched.
• At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched.
• You may vote No Lynch.
• After the Day, the game goes to Night.
• The game thread is closed during the Night. The Mafia may speak to each other at Night.
• All Active Roles may submit actions via PM at Night.
• The Mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at Night.
• After the Night, the game goes to Day.
• All dead players (lynched or killed) can no longer participate in the game.
• Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)
• The game is won when only one faction remains in the game.
• Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.
• You may pm me questions or ask them in the game thread, but you may not get an answer to some things.
• When voting, please enter your vote on a separate line of your post so that it isn't easily missed.

Game Days will last seven days.
Game Nights will last 48 hours.

how can anybody be 99.9 confirmed. That makes 0 sense. Either its 100 % or he's not confirmed. 

how can anybody be 99.9 confirmed. That makes 0 sense. Either its 100 % or he's not confirmed. 

 

 

You'd have to ask the individual that said it.  To this point it's confirmed I have no role, and that Mandarijn had a role cop ability, and Kevin's role was confirmed by Mandarijn.  That's about the only things confirmed at the moment, besides the people who have been killed/lynched.  

My quick thoughts.

 

Scums come under pressure. Real possibility of getting lynched.

 

We are now seeing a concerted effort to direct the lynch towards one of the inactives.

 

Rhizo's posts just smells of a whole load of bs.

 

We need to lynch either Canik or Rhizo today.

Lynch the councilor!

Lets look at one of Rhizo's claims.
 

Yehom, on 10 May 2016 - 03:22, said:

My god I just went through 24 pages and 476 comments. My thoughts so far
 
...

- Manda's claim of being a role cop outing Kevin to be Miller and Rhizo to be vanilla. I would like to hear Rhizo's explanation for that first, before I want to jump to conclusions. For that matter Manda could be scum trying to cover up for Kevin (Miller is an easy role to fake if you're actually scum), though I would like to believe Manda's claim

In reply to this Rhizo posts:
 

I already came out as a Vanilla Townie in earlier reply.

 
And then goes on a spin on how Mandarijn is probably scum. So he is picking up on Yehom's thoughts of whether Mand can be false claiming. Claims he came out as a VT though he does not clarify whether this was prior to Mands claim or later, but posts a wall of text on how Mand can be scum. 
 
Now he is saying:

 

Not sure where you both got that I said I claimed VT prior to Mandarijn posting it. I never stated it, and I just skimmed my posts to see if I misspoke somewhere and I don't know where you're getting this. The only thing I said is I already claimed to be VT in the same multiquote so I didn't have to say I'm VT 3 different times in the same post.

 

But you did say you "already came out as a Vanilla Townie in earlier reply."

 

If you did not post anywhere that you were a VT before Mand revealed it, then you should have known that Mandarijn's role claim is not false. There was no way he could have known you were a VT if you had not posted about it anywhere earlier unless he used the Role Cop ability on you. But you still go on a lengthy argument trying to prove how Mandarijn is scum. So even knowing he is probably a Role Cop you still try to paint him as scum.

 

Now when you have been called out to show where you had posted earlier that you had a VT role you backpedal like crazy and withdraw your accusation.

 

lol..this is too funny.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Rhizoctonia

 

I still think Canik has a high probability of being scum but there is more info pointing towards Rhizo at the moment.

Lets look at one of Rhizo's claims.

Yehom, on 10 May 2016 - 03:22, said:

 

My god I just went through 24 pages and 476 comments. My thoughts so far

 

...

 

- Manda's claim of being a role cop outing Kevin to be Miller and Rhizo to be vanilla. I would like to hear Rhizo's explanation for that first, before I want to jump to conclusions. For that matter Manda could be scum trying to cover up for Kevin (Miller is an easy role to fake if you're actually scum), though I would like to believe Manda's claim

In reply to this Rhizo posts:

I already came out as a Vanilla Townie in earlier reply.

And then goes on a spin on how Mandarijn is probably scum. So he is picking up on Yehom's thoughts of whether Mand can be false claiming. Claims he came out as a VT though he does not clarify whether this was prior to Mands claim or later, but posts a wall of text on how Mand can be scum.

 

Now he is saying:

 

Not sure where you both got that I said I claimed VT prior to Mandarijn posting it. I never stated it, and I just skimmed my posts to see if I misspoke somewhere and I don't know where you're getting this. The only thing I said is I already claimed to be VT in the same multiquote so I didn't have to say I'm VT 3 different times in the same post.

But you did say you "already came out as a Vanilla Townie in earlier reply."

 

If you did not post anywhere that you were a VT before Mand revealed it, then you should have known that Mandarijn's role claim is not false. There was no way he could have known you were a VT if you had not posted about it anywhere earlier unless he used the Role Cop ability on you. But you still go on a lengthy argument trying to prove how Mandarijn is scum. So even knowing he is probably a Role Cop you still try to paint him as scum.

 

Now when you have been called out to show where you had posted earlier that you had a VT role you backpedal like crazy and withdraw your accusation.

 

lol..this is too funny.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Rhizoctonia

 

I still think Canik has a high probability of being scum but there is more info pointing towards Rhizo at the moment.

This is going to be short but on phone.

 

 

But holy hell. Don't know whether to cry or laugh.

 

 

This has gone beyond stupid at this point. Look one post before I responded to Yehom. I stated there I was VT. Yehom replied to the thread while typing that one up, so I couldn't respond in same reply. So when I did, I simply put I claimed VT in earlier reply, yes the earlier reply however long before I posted a reply to him. I never stated I Claimed VT before Mandarijn posted results, I even stated Mansarijn coming out forced me to. So please direct to me where I stated o claimed before he posted his result? Why the hell would a VT come out and role claim out of the blue in the first place.

 

Plus I never denied Mandarijn was a role cop, so I don't know where you're getting this. In my theory of Mandarijn I never stated that I suspected he wasn't a role cop, as he found my Vanilla for which I am and now have claimed I am, which would make no sense. All I was suggesting he was possible scum role cop, for which I have stepped back from after his reply to question I had.

 

I'm so done with this shit, it's beyond stupid at this point. You want to lynch me, fine, but quit saying I said shit I didn't, which is what this post is completely. I never stated I role claimed before Mandarijn, I never said Mandarijn wasn't a role cop.

 

The level of trying to get me lynched is unreal...you and ABT are trying so hard with weak arguments that could be said for many, or blatent lies or trying to spin my words.

Vote Count

Rhizoctonia (4): Chaplain of Death, Ali bin Turban, Canik, Imran Ehsan

d3mon (3): Rafay, KevinH, Roquentin

Canik (2): Lyner, Finster Baby

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, d3mon, iSocialism, Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Yehom

 
With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, May 14th, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

There goes the the steam, congrats for surviving, Canik

 

 

I still can't agree to lynch Rhizo since both of my suspects (Canik and CoD) are joining the wagon, reeks too much. If all four of you are scums though, town pretty much already lost.

 

Vote: d3mon

Voting D3mom. Already expressed my reasons for going this route. Add the fact it's likely seems to be me or D3mon at this point, it's my only real option to survive.

 

Though I still suspect Imran and ATB of working together in unison and trying so hard to have me lynched by using the same reasons many should by lynched if they were going to use them or blatantly trying to spin my words or suggest I said something that I haven't, I know at this point a lynch on them won't be happening this day. I'll wait to see what next day reveals if I survive

Vote: d3mon

 

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Vote Count

d3mon (5): Rafay, KevinH, Roquentin, Lyner, Rhizoctonia

Rhizoctonia (4): Chaplain of Death, Ali bin Turban, Canik, Imran Ehsan

Canik (1): Finster Baby

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, d3mon, iSocialism, Mandarijn, Robert2424, Yehom

 
With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, May 14th, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

Rhizo, it would have actually be more fun having a chat with you if you were citing me properly .

 

1. I've never said me, Imran, etc. were 99,99% confirmed. What I've said was "...Accusing most of the people and voting on 99,99% confirmed townie...". I thought that sentence was pretty clear and there are two actions and two subjects that can be easily distinguished. That 99,99% confirmed townie you've voted on is obviously Mandarjin. Mandarjin is basically confirmed (at least for me) but in mafia you never know, hence I've said 99,99%. Want to argue over semantics? Be my guest, but don't expect me wasting more time on this.

 

2. I've never said I'm suspicious of you because you're inactive. I've said that you're not active BUT when prodded you're getting really active. Not just one, but two conditions here .  I hope now, that I've repeated it, you won't be surprised when I say I don't find lynching inactives a good solution.

 

3. I've posted all my concerns-that-concern you in a nice numbered fashion. You don't need to ask about "my other concerns" because they're all there in those points. Nothing more really...well I could add maybe a 5th now about your misinterpretations of my words.

Furthermore if you're saying I'm spinning your words please do cite me exactly in what I've said so that there's anything to talk. That seems to be a huge problem here. Just like the Shah for instance, you're using big words like "blatant spinning of my words" and whatnot but can't really be arsed to cite someones properly. Is it because there are no citations you could use to prove your point?

 

I think I've proven enough in the previous points that you're doing a lot of spinning on your own. May I ask why are you doing that instead of talking about real things? I surely don't know if you're scum or not. I surely don't have hard proof (though that's true for everyone here), only theory and I've admitted it. But your words are not helping in any way to dispel my doubts.

I still find it (my theory) more interesting and convincing than the other one called "D3mon has posted twice - let's lynch him for that". Just the fact that you and me can discuss it proves its superiority (because I don't find disrespectful silence D3mon is feeding his interlocutors much interesting ).

 

Oh and last thing. While talking is good by itself, my theory got other purpose, since I've wanted to check how fast will Canik / Finster join bandwaggon. Canik got somehow convinced, but unfortunately Finster prefers to lurk (even though he's quite active on the forums).

 

Now that it (theory) has served its purpose, I propose a compromise.

1. I'd vote Canik, though I'm not fully convinced yet about him being a scum.

2. If I needed an attorney I wouldn't hire Rhizo - that's for sure. Voting on other supposed townies just to save his own skin is not really commendable too. But still lynching him could be premature (even though I like my theory). Also apart from Imran, Rhizo doesn't seem to have much "diehard fans" .

3. I don't like the idea of another inactive getting lynched. Sure he might be a scum...but isn't that the same shooting in the dark we avoided on D1? We shoot once on D2 and missed. Now we want to shoot again.

4. What do we need is someone who's not totally random, who was making suspicious moves (that were suspicious to more people than just 2) and wasn't able to explain them.

 

unvote

 

vote Finster

 

I think/hope Finster have enough admirers to win today's contest.

 

P.S.

Rhizo don't belittle KH. He has actually did quite a good job by getting scums target him instead of some more valuable townie. As a matter of fact that's more than you've done so far (and me too to be honest ).

I honestly think that it is too soon to lynch Rhizo just yet. All we have on him is that Manda found out he's VT. That's something he himself can never actually prove, because he can do nothing during night, he can't contribute in discussions with information that isn't new to anybody else and as long as the game has yet to confirm that there are VT in the game, he can't prove it that way either. I would debate it would be more beneficial to wait out on Rhizo and leave him on the side. He's an easy lynch (or no lynch) once we find out more. I'd think for the time being d3mon for inactivity is either way a good play. If he's scum that's a win, if he town, that's too bad, but he wasn't going to contribute either way. Plus we get another night, meaning more night actions to work with. Like Canik said we have enough townies at this point in time to afford a mistake. 

 

Vote: d3mon

 

Lets look at one of Rhizo's claims.

Yehom, on 10 May 2016 - 03:22, said:

 

My god I just went through 24 pages and 476 comments. My thoughts so far

 

...

 

- Manda's claim of being a role cop outing Kevin to be Miller and Rhizo to be vanilla. I would like to hear Rhizo's explanation for that first, before I want to jump to conclusions. For that matter Manda could be scum trying to cover up for Kevin (Miller is an easy role to fake if you're actually scum), though I would like to believe Manda's claim

In reply to this Rhizo posts:

I already came out as a Vanilla Townie in earlier reply.

And then goes on a spin on how Mandarijn is probably scum. So he is picking up on Yehom's thoughts of whether Mand can be false claiming. Claims he came out as a VT though he does not clarify whether this was prior to Mands claim or later, but posts a wall of text on how Mand can be scum.

 

Now he is saying:

 

Not sure where you both got that I said I claimed VT prior to Mandarijn posting it. I never stated it, and I just skimmed my posts to see if I misspoke somewhere and I don't know where you're getting this. The only thing I said is I already claimed to be VT in the same multiquote so I didn't have to say I'm VT 3 different times in the same post.

But you did say you "already came out as a Vanilla Townie in earlier reply."

 

If you did not post anywhere that you were a VT before Mand revealed it, then you should have known that Mandarijn's role claim is not false. There was no way he could have known you were a VT if you had not posted about it anywhere earlier unless he used the Role Cop ability on you. But you still go on a lengthy argument trying to prove how Mandarijn is scum. So even knowing he is probably a Role Cop you still try to paint him as scum.

 

Now when you have been called out to show where you had posted earlier that you had a VT role you backpedal like crazy and withdraw your accusation.

 

lol..this is too funny.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Rhizoctonia

 

I still think Canik has a high probability of being scum but there is more info pointing towards Rhizo at the moment.

This is going to be short but on phone.

 

 

But holy hell. Don't know whether to cry or laugh.

 

 

This has gone beyond stupid at this point. Look one post before I responded to Yehom. I stated there I was VT. Yehom replied to the thread while typing that one up, so I couldn't respond in same reply. So when I did, I simply put I claimed VT in earlier reply, yes the earlier reply however long before I posted a reply to him. I never stated I Claimed VT before Mandarijn posted results, I even stated Mansarijn coming out forced me to. So please direct to me where I stated o claimed before he posted his result? Why the hell would a VT come out and role claim out of the blue in the first place.

 

Plus I never denied Mandarijn was a role cop, so I don't know where you're getting this. In my theory of Mandarijn I never stated that I suspected he wasn't a role cop, as he found my Vanilla for which I am and now have claimed I am, which would make no sense. All I was suggesting he was possible scum role cop, for which I have stepped back from after his reply to question I had.

 

I'm so done with this shit, it's beyond stupid at this point. You want to lynch me, fine, but quit saying I said shit I didn't, which is what this post is completely. I never stated I role claimed before Mandarijn, I never said Mandarijn wasn't a role cop.

 

The level of trying to get me lynched is unreal...you and ABT are trying so hard with weak arguments that could be said for many, or blatent lies or trying to spin my words.

Im also voting for you but I'm using facts.

 

Are we going to address lyners vote change? No suspicion of d3mon listed, just keeps throwing out baseless accusations instead of addressing the information available to the town.

 

There is a better stated reason for voting for Rhizo than there is for anyone else IMO. Maybe that's because i don't believe in lynching inactives when we have a good lead on someone being scum, but i don't understand how townies could look at the information available and not be highly suspicious.

 

It seems we're going to ignore the facts though so i suggest everyone think carefully on who you target with night actions.

I honestly think that it is too soon to lynch Rhizo just yet. All we have on him is that Manda found out he's VT. That's something he himself can never actually prove, because he can do nothing during night, he can't contribute in discussions with information that isn't new to anybody else and as long as the game has yet to confirm that there are VT in the game, he can't prove it that way either. I would debate it would be more beneficial to wait out on Rhizo and leave him on the side. He's an easy lynch (or no lynch) once we find out more. I'd think for the time being d3mon for inactivity is either way a good play. If he's scum that's a win, if he town, that's too bad, but he wasn't going to contribute either way. Plus we get another night, meaning more night actions to work with. Like Canik said we have enough townies at this point in time to afford a mistake. 

 

Vote: d3mon

Its too early to lynch Rhizo but we can afford to make a mistake. If hes a VT then hes the least harmful mistake to the town. You just contradicted yourself.

 

FOS: Rhizo Lyner and Yehom

Oh the revival of the FOS.

What can i say, i haven't really played mafia in lile 3 years, so its just what I'm used to lol

Good move by AbT

 

 

Finster is a good choice, we only have a few days though so please make your decision, town.

 

Vote: Finster Baby

 

His behaviour the past two days:

1. He clearly picks Shah's side during the Shah/Imran/AbT debacle, shown by this post

2. When Shah is replaced by Canik, however, he said he'd support AbT's accusation on Shah if it is still Shah who's playing(Canik replaced Shah). He later amended his statement that Imran is still scummier than Shah/Canik, so he's not changing his vote.

3. FB joins the Lyner wagon instantly, citing his reason as the same as Canik's. There're 2 scum tells here:

First, he should've done that by himself before Canik said it, if he truly felt that my statement is a sign of scum, the fact that he didn't means he's just following Canik.

Second, this is the same person who still didn't change his vote when he's clearly given a good argument of Shah's wrongdoing(and he even acknowledged that the argument is correct). Yet when it comes to my wagon, he changed his vote so easily?

4. The second day, he completely changed his opinion without any additional information, citing that my night actions are "consistent" as the reason, whatever that could mean.

 

 

Also I encourage the townies to link the relevant posts when you're accusing someone with his past posts, use the search function on the guy's name and search in the Mafia board

 

 

 

@CoD I'm done speaking with you in a logical fashion, I'll let the town decides your sanity

Good move by AbT

 

 

Finster is a good choice, we only have a few days though so please make your decision, town.

 

Vote: Finster Baby

 

His behaviour the past two days:

1. He clearly picks Shah's side during the Shah/Imran/AbT debacle, shown by this post

2. When Shah is replaced by Canik, however, he said he'd support AbT's accusation on Shah if it is still Shah who's playing(Canik replaced Shah). He later amended his statement that Imran is still scummier than Shah/Canik, so he's not changing his vote.

3. FB joins the Lyner wagon instantly, citing his reason as the same as Canik's. There're 2 scum tells here:

First, he should've done that by himself before Canik said it, if he truly felt that my statement is a sign of scum, the fact that he didn't means he's just following Canik.

Second, this is the same person who still didn't change his vote when he's clearly given a good argument of Shah's wrongdoing(and he even acknowledged that the argument is correct). Yet when it comes to my wagon, he changed his vote so easily?

4. The second day, he completely changed his opinion without any additional information, citing that my night actions are "consistent" as the reason, whatever that could mean.

 

 

Also I encourage the townies to link the relevant posts when you're accusing someone with his past posts, use the search function on the guy's name and search in the Mafia board

 

 

 

@CoD I'm done speaking with you in a logical fashion, I'll let the town decides your sanity

Considering you've intentionally left logic out of it anytime youve responded to me, okay then? Is that just admitting the above instead of trying to hide it?

Also just going to throw this out there. It hurts scum the most to engage in logical discussion. Thats how you scum hunt. They have to manufacture information to hide the truth while the town just needs to be truthful and analyze the facts to see what doesnt fit.

 

Choosing not to engage in logical discussion and dismissing factual arguments out of hand without actually addressing them or proving them wrong is a major scum tactic.

Interesting how Lyner is working so hard to move the discussion away from Rhizo.

 

Votes d3mon in an effort to put someone pressure elsewhere without giving a reason

 

When called out for changing vote without reason jumps onto ABTs vote on Finster almost immediately (same thing you are accusing FB of doing, if you thought he was scum whyd you wait until someone else voted for him?)

 

Dismissing my arguments out of hand and labeling me insane for making a logically sound argument in an attempt to discredit me without engaging in discussion on the matter.

 

If anything, Lyners actions only convince me more that Rhizo is scum and that Lyner is scum as well.

 

 

Im a bit confused as to why ABT would change his vote now if hes so suspicious of Rhizo. Nothing anyone has said has made him any less suspicious, in fact, as i said above, i find him more suspicious based on how people are trying to defend him. Not sure if confused townie or not at this point.

 

 

Interesting how Lyner is working so hard to move the discussion away from Rhizo.

Hehe, I do think it's funny/interesting that Lyner was saying "the Rhizo discussion is a distraction". He is acting strangely ignorant at times. I mean, you can argue lynching an inactive first would be BETTER, but how do you deny the logic of the role madness theory? Virtually everyone else seems to get it, including virtually confirmed towns, such as Kevin. He just thinks inactive first would be better.

Interesting how Lyner is working so hard to move the discussion away from Rhizo.

 

Votes d3mon in an effort to put someone pressure elsewhere without giving a reason

 

When called out for changing vote without reason jumps onto ABTs vote on Finster almost immediately (same thing you are accusing FB of doing, if you thought he was scum whyd you wait until someone else voted for him?)

 

Dismissing my arguments out of hand and labeling me insane for making a logically sound argument in an attempt to discredit me without engaging in discussion on the matter.

 

If anything, Lyners actions only convince me more that Rhizo is scum and that Lyner is scum as well.

 

 

Im a bit confused as to why ABT would change his vote now if hes so suspicious of Rhizo. Nothing anyone has said has made him any less suspicious, in fact, as i said above, i find him more suspicious based on how people are trying to defend him. Not sure if confused townie or not at this point.

Lyner actions actually puts rhiz more in danager, it's now  3 to 4.

 with it's originally being 3-5 demon.

Also just going to throw this out there. It hurts scum the most to engage in logical discussion. Thats how you scum hunt. They have to manufacture information to hide the truth while the town just needs to be truthful and analyze the facts to see what doesnt fit.

 

Choosing not to engage in logical discussion and dismissing factual arguments out of hand without actually addressing them or proving them wrong is a major scum tactic.

so, would illogical talk hurt the town? Now I'm not taking sides to either of them, but don't use red herring to "prove" a point in an ironic statement.  

 

Now work with me. I see you as pro-town, one of the few. ABT might have moved his vote over, because he sees the wagon dying and demon becoming the popular vote. He' sees FB as his next potential scum.  So he tries to generate a lynch elsewhere to see if others will follow. To the opposite of Lyner's vote, it favors rhiz. ABT has been sure about Rhiz being scum just the same as FB.  ABT has just lower the chance of Rhiz being lynched. In oreder to create another lesser wagon. Which makes demon more likely to be lynched.

Lyner unvote is more anti-rhiz than ABT unvote.

 

I more just wanted to point  that out. Along that Imran you're doing that thing again, where you push for the two people the town are pushing for and you look for one detail and try to discredit someone with that.

Lets look at one of Rhizo's claims.

Yehom, on 10 May 2016 - 03:22, said:

 

My god I just went through 24 pages and 476 comments. My thoughts so far

 

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- Manda's claim of being a role cop outing Kevin to be Miller and Rhizo to be vanilla. I would like to hear Rhizo's explanation for that first, before I want to jump to conclusions. For that matter Manda could be scum trying to cover up for Kevin (Miller is an easy role to fake if you're actually scum), though I would like to believe Manda's claim

In reply to this Rhizo posts:

I already came out as a Vanilla Townie in earlier reply.

 

And then goes on a spin on how Mandarijn is probably scum. So he is picking up on Yehom's thoughts of whether Mand can be false claiming. Claims he came out as a VT though he does not clarify whether this was prior to Mands claim or later, but posts a wall of text on how Mand can be scum. 

 

Now he is saying:

 

Not sure where you both got that I said I claimed VT prior to Mandarijn posting it. I never stated it, and I just skimmed my posts to see if I misspoke somewhere and I don't know where you're getting this. The only thing I said is I already claimed to be VT in the same multiquote so I didn't have to say I'm VT 3 different times in the same post.

 

But you did say you "already came out as a Vanilla Townie in earlier reply."

 

If you did not post anywhere that you were a VT before Mand revealed it, then you should have known that Mandarijn's role claim is not false. There was no way he could have known you were a VT if you had not posted about it anywhere earlier unless he used the Role Cop ability on you. But you still go on a lengthy argument trying to prove how Mandarijn is scum. So even knowing he is probably a Role Cop you still try to paint him as scum.

 

Now when you have been called out to show where you had posted earlier that you had a VT role you backpedal like crazy and withdraw your accusation.

 

lol..this is too funny.

 

Unvote

 

Vote: Rhizoctonia

 

I still think Canik has a high probability of being scum but there is more info pointing towards Rhizo at the moment.

 

Go ahead and try to fight this, by calling me scum, find some random thing and say I'm siding with rhiz, when I'm not. I'm siding with not using BS to push a vote.

This whole I think so and so is scum, and the best choice, but I'm going to vote for another guy because he has more votes. This is getting old. Therefore,

 

Let's the game begin.

Vote Imran

Lyners actions only put Rhizo in more danger because i called him out. He was trying to discredit my argument and make others dismiss my argument out of hand, which most people have been doing which is annoying as hell.

 

Lyner only pulled his vote off d3mon because i called him out and Rhizo voted d3mon also, which makes it look like they are coordinating.

 

My point about engaging in logical discussion is more the fact that i brought a logical argument forward for why to lynch Rhizo, and both Rhizo and Lyner have avoided my argument all together and are addressing the arguments others are making that aren't grounded in fact. By skirting around the factual argument they are attempting to (and so far succeeding) to make the town think there is no evidence against Rhizo. They've done a comendable job but im a stubborn god damn mule and im not going to just sit quietly while they do it. However the town is also bypassing my argument because they have, essentially they are letting the scum dictate what we discuss and what we ignore. Townies should look at all the facts available to them and vote to lynch the most likely scum, regardless of what other people are talking about or saying.

*they should place their vote but they should also listen to discussion on why their reasoning may be flawed from someone else's perspective and offer their own for why they placed it. (Just clarifying because my last sentence was worded awfully)

ISocialism being clueless as usual.

 

Rhizome is scum and needs to be lynched.

There goes the the steam, congrats for surviving, Canik

 

 

I still can't agree to lynch Rhizo since both of my suspects (Canik and CoD) are joining the wagon, reeks too much. If all four of you are scums though, town pretty much already lost.

 

Vote: d3mon

Also iSoc, since we're talking about people voting for someone while saying they suspect someone else more.

 

 

Go ahead and try to fight this, by calling me scum, find some random thing and say I'm siding with rhiz, when I'm not. I'm siding with not using BS to push a vote. This whole I think so and so is scum, and the best choice, but I'm going to vote for another guy because he has more votes. This is getting old. Therefore, Let's the game begin. Vote Imran

Seems like a rather weak reason to vote Imran tbh.

FOS: iSocialism, Lyner for their refusal to acknowledge the legitimacy of the role madness theory.

At this point, I am thinking d3mon is probably just an inactive town. Lyner/Rhizo/iSoc are scum team, Avater is probably the 4th. If there is a 5th, not too sure about that one. Could be a lot of people.