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Cybernations Mafia

 
Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Vanilla Townie, Bodyguard, Commuter, Sane Cop, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Flavor Cop, Doctor, Friendly Neighbor, Follower, Gunsmith, Innocent Child, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Mafia Goon, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Ninja, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Traitor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Nurse, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Tracker, Universal Backup, Vigilante, Voyeur, Watcher

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Weak, X-Shot

 

Assigned character names are various alliances from Cybernations. Ignore all current Cybernations foreign relations. The current treaty web has no bearing on the assigned characters. Alliances were randomly assigned as "good" or "bad" roles so one's personal opinion of an alliance will not necessarily translate to this game.
 

Sample Role PM said:

You are Valhalla, a Vanilla Townie. Your power is in your vote. You win when the Town controls the game.

 
Players:

1) Imran Ehsan (New Pacific Order) a Town 2-Shot Roleblocker has been rolled on night 3.
2) Robert2424 (Independent Republic of Orange Nations) a Town Universal Backup, has been rolled on night 7.
3) d3mon (Green Protection Agency) a Town Jack-of-all-Trades has been disbanded on day 3.
4) Samus (Umbrella) a Town 2-Shot Rolestopper has been rolled on night 1.
5) Yehom (New Polar Order) a Town Even-Night Follower, has been rolled on night 5.
6) Rafay (Orange Defense Network) a Mafia Jack-of-all-Trades has been disbanded on day 6.
7) Canik
8) Chaplain of Death (Doombird Doomcave) a Town Non-Consecutive Night Watcher has been rolled on night 3.
9) Ali bin Turban (R&R) a Town Vanilla Cop has been rolled on night 4.
10) iSocialism
11) King Hitler (NATO) a Town 1-Shot Commuter has been rolled on night 2.
12) Kaziocore (The Legion) a Town Odd-Night Tracker has been disbanded on day 2.
13) Finster Baby (Mostly Harmless Alliance) a Mafia 1-Shot Strongman has been disbanded on day 5.
14) Rhizoctonia (The Dark Templar) the Mafia Godfather has been disbanded on day 4.
15) Lyner
16) Avater (Federation of Armed Nations), a Town Motion Detector, has been forced to disband on day 7.
17) Roquentin
18) Mandarijn

19) KevinH (Sparta) a Town Miller, has been rolled on night 6.

 

Rules:

• During the Day phase each player may speak and vote in-thread.
• If a player receives the majority of the available votes during the Day, they are lynched.
• At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched.
• You may vote No Lynch.
• After the Day, the game goes to Night.
• The game thread is closed during the Night. The Mafia may speak to each other at Night.
• All Active Roles may submit actions via PM at Night.
• The Mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at Night.
• After the Night, the game goes to Day.
• All dead players (lynched or killed) can no longer participate in the game.
• Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)
• The game is won when only one faction remains in the game.
• Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.
• You may pm me questions or ask them in the game thread, but you may not get an answer to some things.
• When voting, please enter your vote on a separate line of your post so that it isn't easily missed.

Game Days will last seven days.
Game Nights will last 48 hours.

You can't stop lying can you Rhizo?

I've never said It was "already known", I've said it was obvious he had one - we know around 10 people now, only one has no role. Was it really surprising to anyone d3mon turned out to have role? Or was it really surprising he turned out townie when there was 70% chance for that outcome?

 

Repeating that you're VT is beating a dead horse. It has been discussed and nothing more will come of it. Technically it's possible and no one denies it. Only problem is the same arguments can be used to "prove" you're VG. And your scummy behavior only enforces that point.

Again you've nothing to add, just running around in circles, posting wall of text in which you blame people who voted on you. Of course no one else is looking suspicious in your eyes.

 

Also I believe true townie would try to clear himself and not to postpone his life just for one more round by voting on inactives. We're back to day 3, nothing has hanged, except there are 2 people less that were going to vote on you.

 

Yehom probably has conditional abilities like even/odd

 

 

Also no one has definite infos yet?

I think the most important thing to discuss right now is why scums chose Imran and CoD

My reasoning as to why Imran and CoD were killed is that reasonable scum will not:

- kill inactives

- kill guys that are on a bandwagon that has just lynched townie

 

That leaves just a handful of us to choose from. I'll leave the universal fact "if you were not targeted then you can be scum" aside because it applies to everyone so it's useless on its own.

- Canik, Finster are lynch-worthy to some, so they're low priority

- Lyner, you're kind of similar

- iSoc hasn't been helping town much so why kill him, he'll be suspicious.

 

That leaves me, Imran, CoD, Mandarjin:

- here I think it was random choice, as for instance both me and Imran had the same targets.

- Maybe Mandarjin was less aggressive and therefore less dangerous when "ringleaders" are elminated?

- Maybe I live because they've checked me and decided my role is not threatening?

 

Second kill this night points to the possibility that scums have JOAT role among them, so they could have investigated some of us. That was something Rhizo used as an argument when accusing Mandarjin (which can be viewed both ways).

While it's technically possible that Mandarjin is a scum JOAT along with his scum friend KevihH (or he's trolling the game) I find it so much risky and prone to backfire that it's not worthy to consider - simply because if they are and noone is able to verify them then town sucks and deserves to loose.

The Miller got nothin'.

 

Base on what we knew at the time, it was correct to lynch D3mon.

 

Post count for the entire game:

63 Chaplain of death

61 Ali bin Turban

54 The Warrior

52 Imran Ehsan

51 KevinH

43 Lyner

37 Mandarijn

36 Rhizoctonia

36 Finster Baby

31 Canik

21 iSocialism

20 Robert2424

18 Shahenshah

18 Samus

16 Sister Midnight

15 Rafay

13 King Hitler

8 TheDoom

8 Antoine Roquentin

8 Yehom

5 Kaziocore

5 Avater

2 d3mon

 

Avater is next on my list.

 

Vote: Avater

Are you serious?

 

Is there a chance scum can be a Miller as well? Because you're really not playing pro-town... What will the lynch of Avater bring us of information to scum hunt? 0,0... He might very well be scum, but we have bigger potential scums we should get rid of 1st.

 

@TW: is the player you're looking to replace Avater?

Hmm. Kev I think we should ease up a bit on lynching inactives for now. What do you think? Unless you wanna pick us off one by one. Next would be Kaz.

 

OOOO its a mafia hit list!!!

 

 

Is there a chance scum can be a Miller as well?

I'm curious about this too. If it weren't for your vouching of his role, I'd be very suspicious of KevinH.

32 pages of talk, a vanilla hit, and he still wants to just lynch inactives with fingers crossed.

We are down to 8 town, 5 assumed scum. Apparently 2 kills a night is a possibility, so that means 1 more mislynch and we could be done.

True towns, again I implore you - change strategies, join with me today in voting Rhizo.

CoD & Imran agreed with me, and they were both PROVEN town. Lyner & Rhizo on the other hand, accused them of being scum, fought against them, and supported lynches on townies.

Vote Count

Rhizoctonia (2): Mandarijn, Canik

Yehom (1): Ali bin Turban

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Canik (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, Finster Baby, iSocialism, KevinH, Lyner, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at update (deadline).
Update (deadline) is Monday, May 23rd, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

There will come a time when we need all the votes we can muster and Avater won't answer the call.
Nevertheless, it seems I won't get support for that.

Unvote.


Both Chaplain of Death and Imran Ehsan were voting for Rhizoctonia and maybe they knew something more.  I'll let them speak from the grave.

 

Vote: Rhizoctonia

True, but at this point we don't need his vote and we should try to lower the amount of scums 1st...

Ok, here's my 50 cents.

 

Day/night 3 was a disaster. We lost 3 members, all of which had power roles, and 2 of which were active, analytical members. Not good.

 

While I'm not at all the best analytical mind, here's what I've come up with.

 

1. Canik acts scummy to me. I still defend my vote from day 3. At that time, to me anyway, based on his posting style, his constant exhortations that he's town make me really consider my day 4 vote for him. Shah started that trend, and he's continued it. There's just too much that he's said that makes me pause about his true loyalties.

 

2. Yehom. Yeah he's a newcomer, but he was the deciding vote against d3mon. He also claimes he attempted a night move but botched it. His defense hasn't been exactly stellar, but at this point I'm only at the point of careful watching.

 

3. Rhizo. You, sir, were on the d3mon bandwagon. You also have offered up no real defense of your actions. You claim to be VT. Mandarijn's info on you says you're vanilla. Considering everyone who has been rolled has had some sort of power role, one can come to the conclusion that EVERY person in the town has a power role, making your claims to be VT rather suspect. Now lets look at the night kills real quick. Imran and Chaplain both got rolled. Both voted for you to be lynched during the day. You argued rather forcefully that Imran was absolutely scum. We all now know that was a lie. You also pushed for d3mon to be lynched, and succeeded, and now we lost our JOAT, who even if d3mon was inactive, could have been replaced (and maybe was in progress of being replaced.)

 

ABT stated on day 3 that rolling Rhizo was the low-risk/high reward option for day 3. We didn't take it then. I think we'd be wise to more than consider it today.

 

Summing up...

1. Rhizo's lack of power role...

2. Rhizo's clear attempts at misdirection in his accusations of Imran and vote for d3mon on day 3

3. Rhizo's lack of real defense for his actions

 

Leads me to make this declaration:

 

VOTE: Rhizoctonia

 

I still have a lot of suspicion about Canik. But for today, Rhizo is the better choice.

Vote Count

Rhizoctonia (4): Mandarijn, Canik, KevinH, Finster Baby

Yehom (1): Ali bin Turban

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Canik (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, iSocialism, Lyner, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at update (deadline).
Update (deadline) is Monday, May 23rd, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

 

Is there a chance scum can be a Miller as well?

 

I'm curious about this too. If it weren't for your vouching of his role, I'd be very suspicious of KevinH.

 

32 pages of talk, a vanilla hit, and he still wants to just lynch inactives with fingers crossed.

 

We are down to 8 town, 5 assumed scum. Apparently 2 kills a night is a possibility, so that means 1 more mislynch and we could be done.

 

True towns, again I implore you - change strategies, join with me today in voting Rhizo.

 

CoD & Imran agreed with me, and they were both PROVEN town. Lyner & Rhizo on the other hand, accused them of being scum, fought against them, and supported lynches on townies.

 

Unfortunately if Mandarjin got 'Miller' reading then KevinH is a townie. I believe there's no role in this setup that could fake other roles. I've checked Mafia Traitor too and he couldn't hide also. So yeah, it seems that KevinH believes one can win mafia game by simply voting on those with least votes . To bad we'll lose because of that.

 

Canik, if you're town, please stay closer to the truth. I remember Lyner accusing CoD, but I don't remember him accusing Imran (if such event occurred my bad, though I'd like to see citation). We know there's friction between you and Lyner and being, let's say, "inaccurate" is only drawing suspicion about your motives. That "join with me today in voting Rhizo" also sounds a bit dramatic and I wouldn't like it to be a stepping stone for some further narration if/when Rhizo turns a scum. Just saying.

You can't stop lying can you Rhizo?

I've never said It was "already known", I've said it was obvious he had one - we know around 10 people now, only one has no role. Was it really surprising to anyone d3mon turned out to have role? Or was it really surprising he turned out townie when there was 70% chance for that outcome?

 

Repeating that you're VT is beating a dead horse. It has been discussed and nothing more will come of it. Technically it's possible and no one denies it. Only problem is the same arguments can be used to "prove" you're VG. And your scummy behavior only enforces that point.

Again you've nothing to add, just running around in circles, posting wall of text in which you blame people who voted on you. Of course no one else is looking suspicious in your eyes.

 

Also I believe true townie would try to clear himself and not to postpone his life just for one more round by voting on inactives. We're back to day 3, nothing has hanged, except there are 2 people less that were going to vote on you.

 

Yehom probably has conditional abilities like even/odd

 

 

Also no one has definite infos yet?

I think the most important thing to discuss right now is why scums chose Imran and CoD

My reasoning as to why Imran and CoD were killed is that reasonable scum will not:

- kill inactives

- kill guys that are on a bandwagon that has just lynched townie

 

That leaves just a handful of us to choose from. I'll leave the universal fact "if you were not targeted then you can be scum" aside because it applies to everyone so it's useless on its own.

- Canik, Finster are lynch-worthy to some, so they're low priority

- Lyner, you're kind of similar

- iSoc hasn't been helping town much so why kill him, he'll be suspicious.

 

That leaves me, Imran, CoD, Mandarjin:

- here I think it was random choice, as for instance both me and Imran had the same targets.

- Maybe Mandarjin was less aggressive and therefore less dangerous when "ringleaders" are elminated?

- Maybe I live because they've checked me and decided my role is not threatening?

 

Second kill this night points to the possibility that scums have JOAT role among them, so they could have investigated some of us. That was something Rhizo used as an argument when accusing Mandarjin (which can be viewed both ways).

While it's technically possible that Mandarjin is a scum JOAT along with his scum friend KevihH (or he's trolling the game) I find it so much risky and prone to backfire that it's not worthy to consider - simply because if they are and noone is able to verify them then town sucks and deserves to loose.

 

 

Ok wrong words..does it really matter if I said already known, or in the case of your words, it's obvious.  If you're saying it's obvious he had one, then you're saying it was basically known he had one.  Which you had 0 knowledge of.  But again, you're so sure of what roles are out there, because you're the mod.  And I already knew what I had to say would just be dismissed by you, that was already a given.  It doesn't matter that you two have been ones I've suspected for awhile...no it has to be I'm only suspecting people who voted for me.  Same could be said for the likes of you...I've been the one calling you out and/or voting for you, and you're hung up on me

 

There will come a time when we need all the votes we can muster and Avater won't answer the call.

Nevertheless, it seems I won't get support for that.

 

Unvote.

 

 

Both Chaplain of Death and Imran Ehsan were voting for Rhizoctonia and maybe they knew something more.  I'll let them speak from the grave.

 

Vote: Rhizoctonia

 

 

How would they know something more on me like you're suggesting?  Their roles wouldn't of provided anything more on me.  If you want the same reasons they gave, just look at Canik or ABT...they use the same. 

 

Ok, here's my 50 cents.

 

Day/night 3 was a disaster. We lost 3 members, all of which had power roles, and 2 of which were active, analytical members. Not good.

 

While I'm not at all the best analytical mind, here's what I've come up with.

 

1. Canik acts scummy to me. I still defend my vote from day 3. At that time, to me anyway, based on his posting style, his constant exhortations that he's town make me really consider my day 4 vote for him. Shah started that trend, and he's continued it. There's just too much that he's said that makes me pause about his true loyalties.

 

2. Yehom. Yeah he's a newcomer, but he was the deciding vote against d3mon. He also claimes he attempted a night move but botched it. His defense hasn't been exactly stellar, but at this point I'm only at the point of careful watching.

 

3. Rhizo. You, sir, were on the d3mon bandwagon. You also have offered up no real defense of your actions. You claim to be VT. Mandarijn's info on you says you're vanilla. Considering everyone who has been rolled has had some sort of power role, one can come to the conclusion that EVERY person in the town has a power role, making your claims to be VT rather suspect. Now lets look at the night kills real quick. Imran and Chaplain both got rolled. Both voted for you to be lynched during the day. You argued rather forcefully that Imran was absolutely scum. We all now know that was a lie. You also pushed for d3mon to be lynched, and succeeded, and now we lost our JOAT, who even if d3mon was inactive, could have been replaced (and maybe was in progress of being replaced.)

 

ABT stated on day 3 that rolling Rhizo was the low-risk/high reward option for day 3. We didn't take it then. I think we'd be wise to more than consider it today.

 

Summing up...

1. Rhizo's lack of power role...

2. Rhizo's clear attempts at misdirection in his accusations of Imran and vote for d3mon on day 3

3. Rhizo's lack of real defense for his actions

 

Leads me to make this declaration:

 

VOTE: Rhizoctonia

 

I still have a lot of suspicion about Canik. But for today, Rhizo is the better choice.

 

 

Here we go again, another person who thinks they know what roles the mod used.  Is that all you guy's really got?  How would you like me to defend myself?  Mandarijn came back Vanilla on me, everyone says that doesn't prove I'm a VT, yet you and others seem to think that it obviously means I'm a goon scum.  I don't get how it doesn't prove my innocence, but it sure seems to prove guilt.  It doesn't, it hasn't.

 

And you're right, I did push Imran.  I pushed him from early on that he was scum.  I was wrong...are we now going off everytime someone suspects someone and is wrong as they have to be scum?  Because I imagine many will have picked wrong on who they thought at one point was scum at least once in this game..and soon you will be an example of such.  I presented my reasoning for Imran, you may not of liked it, but not like I came out with Imran out of the blue.  I went with my gut, it's not like my push was bandwaggoning on to someone else...I stuck with my claim, even with others didn't think so.  And yea, 2 people that were pushing me are now dead....perfect setup to to make me look even more gulity and have the town lynch another Townie while they get another tonight.  You're soon going to be down 5 townies in 2 days/night time.  

 

You'll are about to make a game ending lynch.  When Mandarijn did his role on me he found I didn't have a role, and at "this point" I still don't have one.  I at least know when the town loses, it wont be because of me.

Kevin I'm curious why, even after d3mon turned out not to be scum, you insisted on trying to lynch inactives? I understand that move, i followed it too, in the more early stages of the game where you can afford a mislynch, but even after seeing that 2 members of the town got taken out, you were still insisting on killing an inactive and only turned around after you found out you weren't going to get any support this round for the inactive lynch. If Manda didn't vouch for you, you'd be pretty high up that suspect list. 

 

Rhizo is making less and less of a case for himself, but again I understand where his defense is coming from. Is it a coincidence that Imran got killed last night, probably not. Question now is whether it was because Rhizo is scum, or is Rhizo getting set up? I'm still leaning towards my previous statement. I want to believe that Rhizo is VT. Problem is that we really can't wait it out. If there were any other real suspects, on whom we had information, I would have liked to look at those first, but because there are none at this point in time, I will vote Rhizo

 

Vote: Rhizo

 

 

Yehom probably has conditional abilities like even/odd

 

 

Also no one has definite infos yet?

I think the most important thing to discuss right now is why scums chose Imran and CoD

My reasoning as to why Imran and CoD were killed is that reasonable scum will not:

- kill inactives

- kill guys that are on a bandwagon that has just lynched townie

 

That leaves just a handful of us to choose from. I'll leave the universal fact "if you were not targeted then you can be scum" aside because it applies to everyone so it's useless on its own.

- Canik, Finster are lynch-worthy to some, so they're low priority

- Lyner, you're kind of similar

- iSoc hasn't been helping town much so why kill him, he'll be suspicious.

 

That leaves me, Imran, CoD, Mandarjin:

- here I think it was random choice, as for instance both me and Imran had the same targets.

- Maybe Mandarjin was less aggressive and therefore less dangerous when "ringleaders" are elminated?

- Maybe I live because they've checked me and decided my role is not threatening?

 

Second kill this night points to the possibility that scums have JOAT role among them, so they could have investigated some of us. That was something Rhizo used as an argument when accusing Mandarjin (which can be viewed both ways).

While it's technically possible that Mandarjin is a scum JOAT along with his scum friend KevihH (or he's trolling the game) I find it so much risky and prone to backfire that it's not worthy to consider - simply because if they are and noone is able to verify them then town sucks and deserves to loose.

 

Imran and CoD are the most active players too so that might be another reason.

CoD kill still doesn't make sense, wouldn't scum be happy if I'm fighting with CoD again today? Well they can frame me but that is pretty weak.

 

 

 

If scum have a fake role given by the mod then it is plausible that Mand-Kevin and perhaps Rhizo are working together. Nobody have claimed any roles since the two of them so the probabilty of that happening is low I guess

 

 

 

 

I was about to accuse Rhizo as well but the sudden wagon on him, plus both Canik and FB voting together.... this is too fishy

 

Nonetheless, Imran was right on CoD & me as townies bickering with each other so perhaps I can trust him in this one. I didn't feel comfortable putting Rhizo at -1 this early because of the super quick wagon, "as if scums want to end this quickly and win tomorrow" kind of uncomfortable feeling, so I will hold off the vote for now.

 

 

 

And can you stop lying and misleading the town, Canik? Calling someone as a townie and getting it right doesn't prove anything, if anything, only scums know that information.

 

About the lying, you're putting a false statement. I was inline with Imran, albeit a different priority on who to lynch. This and this confirm Imran's position on the matter, you and Rhizo are on his lynch list, with FB trying to bus you yesterday. The only difference is Imran put the priority on the Rhizo lynch instead of you, Canik.

 

 

 

For @Finster Baby, if you're truly town and feel that Canik is scummy, don't you find it suspicious that Canik is voting for Rhizo?

 

 

About the lying, you're putting a false statement. I was inline with Imran

 

CoD & Imran agreed with me, and they were both PROVEN town. Lyner & Rhizo on the other hand, accused them (respectively*) of being scum, fought against them

There, fixed. Happy? In my post before I only said you accused CoD, I just didn't word that one sentence perfectly. But go ahead and jump all over it like it's a big deal. Everyone has made some poorly worded statements. Some worse than others, sort of.

I find it interesting you still have nothing to report. It's day 4 now and we could use more info.

 

Calling someone as a townie and getting it right doesn't prove anything, if anything, only scums know that information.

So we should trust people who make bad, town crippling decisions and not listen to the people who have fought against those decisions? Gotcha.

 

I was about to accuse Rhizo as well but the sudden wagon on him, plus both Canik and FB voting together.... this is too fishy

Early yesterday you said "I believe this is just a maneuver from scum to distract the town."
http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-4/?p=854344

And even late in the day you argued against CoD and the role madness theory.

Rhizo must have said some really scummy things to make you change your mind if that's all you were going off of. Like really, really scummy things. Though I don't think you ever addressed what it was that you found so suspicious about. (but I did only skim over yesterday).

 

 

 

About the lying, you're putting a false statement. I was inline with Imran

 

CoD & Imran agreed with me, and they were both PROVEN town. Lyner & Rhizo on the other hand, accused them (respectively*) of being scum, fought against them

There, fixed. Happy? In my post before I only said you accused CoD, I just didn't word that one sentence perfectly. But go ahead and jump all over it like it's a big deal. Everyone has made some poorly worded statements. Some worse than others, sort of.

I find it interesting you still have nothing to report. It's day 4 now and we could use more info.

 

 

What's with the desperation? We just want to have some clarity here

 

I choose to report whenever I feel it would benefits the town, apparently now is not the time.

 

Anyway, shouldn't you answer that question yourself?

 

 

 

 

 

Calling someone as a townie and getting it right doesn't prove anything, if anything, only scums know that information.

So we should trust people who make bad, town crippling decisions and not listen to the people who have fought against those decisions? Gotcha.

 

 

I'm only saying that correctly calling certain someone is townie beforehand gives you no town credit whatsoever but you're acting like it should give you some credibility

 

 

 

 

Early yesterday you said "I believe this is just a maneuver from scum to distract the town."
http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-4/?p=854344

 

Exactly, that's why I'm still hesitating even now

 

 

Rhizo must have said some really scummy things to make you change your mind if that's all you were going off of. Like really, really scummy things. Though I don't think you ever addressed what it was that you found so suspicious about. (but I did only skim over yesterday).

 

Pretty accurate skimming I'd say

 

No I haven't stated any suspicious thing from Rhizo, I didn't give him any town credits either(I did state that he didn't help the town at all yesterday. He's just lower in my lynch priority list yesterday. Today with Imran revealed as town I'm not so sure.

 

Note that you and FB are still on the top on my lynch priority list, but apparently "town" needs some concrete infos before we can round up both of you

Kevin I'm curious why, even after d3mon turned out not to be scum, you insisted on trying to lynch inactives? I understand that move, i followed it too, in the more early stages of the game where you can afford a mislynch, but even after seeing that 2 members of the town got taken out, you were still insisting on killing an inactive and only turned around after you found out you weren't going to get any support this round for the inactive lynch. If Manda didn't vouch for you, you'd be pretty high up that suspect list.

 

D3mon flipping townie has no impact on whether Avater is townie or not (if anything, there is one less townie that he could be). We need votes to lynch scum and inactives can't deliver votes.

If we keep following that and scum just kills the active ones every night, we're not getting anywhere though...

 

We have enough townies to lynch someone (at deadline).

 

 

What's with the desperation? We just want to have some clarity here I choose to report whenever I feel it would benefits the town, apparently now is not the time. Anyway, shouldn't you answer that question yourself?

"What's with the desperation" - Clearly a loaded question.. but really, why shouldn't I be desperate if I am town? We just lost 3 people, the room for error is extremely small, and I care about winning. So yeah, I'm getting a little desperate and annoyed. I came into the day like that.

I am happy 4 other people have voted now for Rhizo, but things are still looking bad overall for town.

"I choose to report whenver I feel it would benefits the town, apparently now is not the time"

Yeah, that's what I find interesting.. that now STILL isn't the time.

"Anyway, shouldn't you answer that question yourself?"

I don't have an investigation role and never indicated that I did. You indicated you had an investigation role.. but have somehow survive, and somehow not turned up nothing, sort of.

 

Exactly, that's why I'm still hesitating even now

So CoD & I vote for him, and you are hesitant because you think CoD & I are scum. (one of which have been proven town).. but then Rhizo does something scummy that you won't share with us but it changes your mind, you're about to accuse him.. but then FB & I vote for him and so now you're hesitant again?

 

No I haven't stated any suspicious thing from Rhizo, I didn't give him any town credits either(I did state that he didn't help the town at all yesterday. He's just lower in my lynch priority list yesterday. Today with Imran revealed as town I'm not so sure.

You didn't give him town credits 'either'? It sounds like you're saying you had him in the middle of the pack, about equal scum/town points... so why were you going to accuse him?

http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-4/?p=856289

You said "I was about to accuse Rhizo"

You story seems to be getting really mixed up Lyner. I think we need some clarity.

Vote Count

Rhizoctonia (5): Mandarijn, Canik, KevinH, Finster Baby, Yehom

Yehom (1): Ali bin Turban

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Canik (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, iSocialism, Lyner, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at update (deadline).
Update (deadline) is Monday, May 23rd, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

My vote is for Canik

I already stated some of my reasoning earlier, and his comments today only continue to make it more obvious.  His seemingly desperation act to get my lynched looks is way over the top and forced to seem townish.  Guess what, all townies lost 3 members last night, you don't see us being so dramatic about it.  He has called Lyner for nothing to report being day 4....yet he has not reported anything.  Seemingly trying to force Lyner to expose his role when at this point if someone had something to report that would help, they likely would have.  Why he believe Lyner should report any findings he has even though they aren't of any help is stupid, especially if he still has some roles left and aren't 1-2 shots like some have had.  

 

This is again the guy who didn't suspect me, but suddenly did when his push for Lyner or his push for Avatar didn't work, suddenly he jumps on me when his back is against the wall.  The evidence of me coming up Vanilla had already came out before he even voted Avatar, and then later switched to me when votes were going against him.  It didn't make me a suspect then in his eyes, hell even a day earlier he listed a long list of who he suspected, I wasn't even a top choice on suspicion.  But now, now he is going over the top on being so sure it's me, with nothing new even coming forward since then.  He just jumps on whatever bandwagon he can or who has momentum going their way to save himself, when twice now he's been high up on votes for which if he is town, scum could of easily hopped on that bandwagon and vote him off, but they didn't.  Not including, Imran and ABT have suspected him the prior two days along with others...so if you're going to say now that Imran was killed, since he suspected me that is a reason, well he suspected you two, for multiple days, and before me.  Even when he voted me, he still suspected you.  Scum have saved him from not jumping on his wagon, and with a lynch on me, him and rest will all but seal this up.

And since I'm about to be lynched, and no one seemed to pick up on my not so subptle hint.  I am a VT, I don't have a role at this moment.  There's a chance I may get one, but when Mandarijn did his role on me I didn't, and I still don't up to this point.  In fact I may not this whole game, depending on circumstances....but I'm not going into it anymore.  It wont help me survive this lynch if I divulge what role I could gain, and it wont help if I survive and the rest of the scum know what it is.  Simply, you'll are screwing the pooch

There's no need for everyone to pile all of sudden on Rhizo. We don't want to end this day to quickly, do we? We don't have a plan on what to do after that. We still have no information about night actions, which is quite unfortunate (I wish I had any solid info to share on my own too) and sooner or later we'll need to start pushing people to share their findings (if not for the findings then for the opportunity to catch lying scums).

 

If there's a hidden (hidden so Rhizo does not need to apply) VT out there it could be good for him to step out, so that we'll avoid convenient role claims from scums that won't have any night actions to share.

I don't think any scum would come out right now claiming he's VT because there's risk that he was watched on the previous nights and he'd need to sit idle for past 3 nights to be safe (even in case of being VG he could have moved at night in order to deliver kill), so it could help us to confirm a townie (not a hard confirm but at least a step forward).

I know that would allow scums to avoid targeting no role players, but let's be serious:

 1. We had no use of them for now (except of Mandarjin's claims).

 2. We're in a critical moment and need to make more decisive moves (and still I wouldn't call claiming VT as something radical anyway).

Vote Count

Rhizoctonia (5): Mandarijn, Canik, KevinH, Finster Baby, Yehom

Canik (1): Rhizoctonia

Yehom (1): Ali bin Turban

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Finster Baby (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

 

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, iSocialism, Lyner, Rafay, Robert2424, Roquentin

 

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch or 4 at update (deadline).
Update (deadline) is Monday, May 23rd, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

I'm very behind and can look at this only on my breaks. These large posts are hard to read with my limited time to read these. I'm trying to catch up. 

Unvote

Vote: iSocialism

 

You're active, yet not contributing anything. Not even when I called you out...

 

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And since I'm about to be lynched, and no one seemed to pick up on my not so subptle hint.  I am a VT, I don't have a role at this moment.  There's a chance I may get one, but when Mandarijn did his role on me I didn't, and I still don't up to this point.  In fact I may not this whole game, depending on circumstances....but I'm not going into it anymore.  It wont help me survive this lynch if I divulge what role I could gain, and it wont help if I survive and the rest of the scum know what it is.  Simply, you'll are screwing the pooch

@KevinH: You don't have to tell us what he could be, but can this be true? I think it can't as that would still be some kind of role and as a Role Cop I would've picked it up...

Unvote

Vote: iSocialism

 

You're active, yet not contributing anything. Not even when I called you out...

 

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And since I'm about to be lynched, and no one seemed to pick up on my not so subptle hint.  I am a VT, I don't have a role at this moment.  There's a chance I may get one, but when Mandarijn did his role on me I didn't, and I still don't up to this point.  In fact I may not this whole game, depending on circumstances....but I'm not going into it anymore.  It wont help me survive this lynch if I divulge what role I could gain, and it wont help if I survive and the rest of the scum know what it is.  Simply, you'll are screwing the pooch

@KevinH: You don't have to tell us what he could be, but can this be true? I think it can't as that would still be some kind of role and as a Role Cop I would've picked it up...

You've probably wanted to ask TW not KevinH .

 

But still is just grasping at straws. Don't you find it strange that suddenly when his fate is almost sealed he has a revelation for us? Most probably he's just looking for a way to survive and has found out there's "Backup" modifier possible in this game, so why not to use it as an argument to save his skin? He had a plenty of time to be sincere. He chose not and now it's a bit to late.