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Cybernations Mafia

 
Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Vanilla Townie, Bodyguard, Commuter, Sane Cop, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Flavor Cop, Doctor, Friendly Neighbor, Follower, Gunsmith, Innocent Child, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Mafia Goon, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Ninja, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Traitor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Nurse, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Tracker, Universal Backup, Vigilante, Voyeur, Watcher

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Weak, X-Shot

 

Assigned character names are various alliances from Cybernations. Ignore all current Cybernations foreign relations. The current treaty web has no bearing on the assigned characters. Alliances were randomly assigned as "good" or "bad" roles so one's personal opinion of an alliance will not necessarily translate to this game.
 

Sample Role PM said:

You are Valhalla, a Vanilla Townie. Your power is in your vote. You win when the Town controls the game.

 
Players:

1) Imran Ehsan (New Pacific Order) a Town 2-Shot Roleblocker has been rolled on night 3.
2) Robert2424 (Independent Republic of Orange Nations) a Town Universal Backup, has been rolled on night 7.
3) d3mon (Green Protection Agency) a Town Jack-of-all-Trades has been disbanded on day 3.
4) Samus (Umbrella) a Town 2-Shot Rolestopper has been rolled on night 1.
5) Yehom (New Polar Order) a Town Even-Night Follower, has been rolled on night 5.
6) Rafay (Orange Defense Network) a Mafia Jack-of-all-Trades has been disbanded on day 6.
7) Canik
8) Chaplain of Death (Doombird Doomcave) a Town Non-Consecutive Night Watcher has been rolled on night 3.
9) Ali bin Turban (R&R) a Town Vanilla Cop has been rolled on night 4.
10) iSocialism
11) King Hitler (NATO) a Town 1-Shot Commuter has been rolled on night 2.
12) Kaziocore (The Legion) a Town Odd-Night Tracker has been disbanded on day 2.
13) Finster Baby (Mostly Harmless Alliance) a Mafia 1-Shot Strongman has been disbanded on day 5.
14) Rhizoctonia (The Dark Templar) the Mafia Godfather has been disbanded on day 4.
15) Lyner
16) Avater (Federation of Armed Nations), a Town Motion Detector, has been forced to disband on day 7.
17) Roquentin
18) Mandarijn

19) KevinH (Sparta) a Town Miller, has been rolled on night 6.

 

Rules:

• During the Day phase each player may speak and vote in-thread.
• If a player receives the majority of the available votes during the Day, they are lynched.
• At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched.
• You may vote No Lynch.
• After the Day, the game goes to Night.
• The game thread is closed during the Night. The Mafia may speak to each other at Night.
• All Active Roles may submit actions via PM at Night.
• The Mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at Night.
• After the Night, the game goes to Day.
• All dead players (lynched or killed) can no longer participate in the game.
• Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)
• The game is won when only one faction remains in the game.
• Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.
• You may pm me questions or ask them in the game thread, but you may not get an answer to some things.
• When voting, please enter your vote on a separate line of your post so that it isn't easily missed.

Game Days will last seven days.
Game Nights will last 48 hours.

 

He can 'commute' at night and if he's targeted at night then the kill would fail.

 

But he got killed in the night....

 

Also. Are we gonna talk about Kaz's lynching or just gonna let it slide since he was inactive....? 

 

He was a 1 shot commuter. Which means he could only use it once. He obviously didn't use his role last night or he wouldn't of been killed. It's not a huge power role lost which is good. He basically had the ability to be free from scum kill if he guesses right on the night the Scum targeted him

 

 

He can 'commute' at night and if he's targeted at night then the kill would fail.

 

But he got killed in the night....

 

Also. Are we gonna talk about Kaz's lynching or just gonna let it slide since he was inactive....? 

 

He can only commute once as he was 1-shot and as he got killed he didn't commute last night.

 

Seeing 3 of the ones on Kazio's lynch wagon are confirmed townies (King Hitler, KevinH and me) I don't think it'll say a lot. But we'll see, we should remember Roq and Lyner though.

 

Unfortunately you're right, it doesn't say a lot. Nothing that can be considered solid evidence for sure.. but, I like to think it wasn't just town voting for Kaz. This definitely increases my suspicion of Roq and Lyner a notch. And with Lyner, my suspicion was already quite high.

 

One thing I do find odd though. If Lyner was scum, then he should've known Kaz wasn't scum and it wouldn't have been smart for him in that case to act so sure that Kaz was scum, knowing the next night it would be revealed his was wrong. Though, he could have intentionally played unsmart to throw us off and make me think exactly what I just said. In the end, it's a WIFOM (Wine in front of me) situation. As it so often is in Mafia.

 

Glad Kevin has been verified town btw, was getting very suspicious of him after Kaz was proven to be town.

Lyner was acting suspiciously towards the end of the day. And his activity also increased as the pressure for lynch mounted....

 

 

And thanks for clearing up the commuter thing guys.

If Lyner does really have a investigatory role I wonder if he turned up anything tonight. Or did he still get 'nothing, sort of.'

 

Interesting, so IMO mandi is telling the truth, my theory was mafia would want lyner gone over kazio. My vote tied things up giving mafia the chance to go for lyner. Mandi came in and said exactly what I was thinking. that he would prefer kazio over lyner. His vote was a pro-town move. Which means that his ""2"" shot role gave us info on kevin and FB being town. Also with it only being 2 shot that he used, means he is not as valuable of a target  for scum. The best counter theory to this he has a mafia investigation role that he found this info by, and is using it to buy town creed. In all reality a kill is a kill for mafia. doesn't matter if it's lyner or kazio. Though Lyner can do more damage.

Good gambit by KH. Seems like the scum got fooled by it as well.

 

Looking at the people on the Kaz lynch wagon and assuming Mandarijn is telling the truth (i am pretty sure he is, scum wont confirm anyone as town), we can safely say there were no more than 1 scum on that wagon, if any.

 

I would say there were at least 2 scum on the Lyner wagon if Lyner is not scum. They probably thought Lyner will be a better lynch than the inactive Kaz but did not want to put the hammer vote on him, which resulted in the townie Mandarijn hammering the lynch vote on Kaz instead of Lyner.

Of course scum would prefer active townie dead over the inactive one

 

 

 

Can we lynch Canik now?

 

Also I got nothing tonight

If Lyner was scum, his scum buddies would not have allowed a townie (Mandarijn) to cast the deciding lynch vote. They would have have jumped in a lot earlier to lynch Kaz. So they were fine with either Lyner or Kax getting lynched, probably preferring Lyner over the inactive Kaz. So I am pretty sure Lyner is not scum.

 

We need to look more closely at those who were pushing hard for his lynch.

 

 

Can we lynch Canik now?

 

Because.....? 

Interesting, so IMO mandi is telling the truth, my theory was mafia would want lyner gone over kazio. My vote tied things up giving mafia the chance to go for lyner. Mandi came in and said exactly what I was thinking. that he would prefer kazio over lyner. His vote was a pro-town move. Which means that his ""2"" shot role gave us info on kevin and FB being town. Also with it only being 2 shot that he used, means he is not as valuable of a target  for scum. The best counter theory to this he has a mafia investigation role that he found this info by, and is using it to buy town creed. In all reality a kill is a kill for mafia. doesn't matter if it's lyner or kazio. Though Lyner can do more damage.

It's Rhizo and KevinH, not FB.

Nice. We got some confirmation

- Kevinh and Mandarjin are townies.
- Rhizo - Still unknown. Mandarjin indicates he wasn't able to read Rhizo's role, or I'd say he got "no role" read (because simply not being able to read a role would be suspicious) - therefore he's either godfather, standard townie or standard mafia goon (please correct me if I'm wrong and there are more options). That proves he's far from being confirmed.

 

As for the rest, the longer I'm thinking the more confused I'm. There are so many possibilities, I'll need to think more about it and also see if anyone got anything more.

I did get something, but I don't want to tell it as it can either confirm Rhizo is a normal townie and scum should target others or I confirm he has a power role. So I don't want to do either... I'm just saying that he's most likely town, but there's still a small chance that he's the godfather or something.

 

Can we lynch Canik now?

 

Because.....? 

 

 

Let's not pretend yesterday's discussion didn't happen

 

 

He was the major candidate for lynch yesterday, and today too if we don't gain additional info

 

The only reason Canik is alive today is because we gave him time yesterday to prove Shah isn't scum

 

Apparently I see no reason that points him as a townie, I may be biased so please enlighten me

 

 

Vote: Canik

 

Also I got nothing tonight

How convenient. Even if you were just a motion tracker, seems you would have something to report..

 

If Lyner was scum, his scum buddies would not have allowed a townie (Mandarijn) to cast the deciding lynch vote. They would have have jumped in a lot earlier to lynch Kaz. So they were fine with either Lyner or Kax getting lynched, probably preferring Lyner over the inactive Kaz. So I am pretty sure Lyner is not scum.

 

We need to look more closely at those who were pushing hard for his lynch.

Pretty good theory. Assuming what Mandarjin says is true, and 3 on that wagon are confirmed towns.

 

What do you think about Lyner not having any info after 2 nights? Even a motion tracker should have something to report, am I wrong? It's been a while since I've played, don't remember all the roles. Is there a weaker investigatory one that might have turned up 0 useful info so far?

 

 

Seeing we also have an odd tracker, we probably have odd and even roles again. So it's possible he only has used 1 night action so far...

Seeing we also have an odd tracker, we probably have odd and even roles again. So it's possible he only has used 1 night action so far...

Ok, thanks Madarijn.

 

I still think he posts have been suspicious but maybe I'm wrong. I'll give him time to breath and review some other people. In the meantime, it'd be great if the less active people chimed in.

 

 

Can we lynch Canik now?

 

Because.....? 

 

 

Let's not pretend yesterday's discussion didn't happen

 

 

He was the major candidate for lynch yesterday, and today too if we don't gain additional info

 

The only reason Canik is alive today is because we gave him time yesterday to prove Shah isn't scum

 

Apparently I see no reason that points him as a townie, I may be biased so please enlighten me

 

 

Vote: Canik

 

Shah did the best he could to root out scum. He may have misread things and made mistakes in his arguments, but hey, you and 3 other people we think are townies all just lynched a town. So, might not want to be too judgemental. We're all human.

Yeah, idk, kind of at a loss now. Was hoping Kaziocore was avoiding posting to hide scumminess but evidently was wrong. KH dying doesn't help either. If we're looking at the Lyner lynchers, maybe it's one of the non-canik ones.

Vote Count

Canik (1): Lyner

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

d3mon (0):

Finster Baby (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):

Rhizoctonia (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

TheDoom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Ali bin Turban, Avater, Canik, Chaplain of Death, d3mon, Finster Baby, Imran Ehsan, iSocialism, KevinH, Mandarijn, Rafay, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin, TheDoom

 
With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, May 14th, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

 

 

Also I got nothing tonight

How convenient. Even if you were just a motion tracker, seems you would have something to report..

 

If Lyner was scum, his scum buddies would not have allowed a townie (Mandarijn) to cast the deciding lynch vote. They would have have jumped in a lot earlier to lynch Kaz. So they were fine with either Lyner or Kax getting lynched, probably preferring Lyner over the inactive Kaz. So I am pretty sure Lyner is not scum.

 

We need to look more closely at those who were pushing hard for his lynch.

Pretty good theory. Assuming what Mandarjin says is true, and 3 on that wagon are confirmed towns.

 

What do you think about Lyner not having any info after 2 nights? Even a motion tracker should have something to report, am I wrong? It's been a while since I've played, don't remember all the roles. Is there a weaker investigatory one that might have turned up 0 useful info so far?

 

 

 

 

Your pushing to find what his role is pretty scummy tbh.

 

In this game we have so far seen 2 dead townie, both with power roles. We have kevin with a claimed power role (pretty useless but still not VT), we have mandy with a PR and potentially Rhizo with a PR. These all point to a role madness game where everyone has a power role but most probably with the majority with modifiers attached to them such as odd/even or x-shot.

 

So everyone has a power role and there is no point revealing one's role unless they have something useful to add like what mandy did. So a normal townie should not reveal his role when he has nothing to reveal because this only helps the scum. Why so? Because then scum plan their night actions accordingly and narrow out the possibilities of who the cop or doc may be so that they dont waste their night kill like they did last night. Your attempts to make Lyner reveal his role does not reflect a townie trying to help the town imo. Couple that with Shah's posts, you have not done anything to convince me otherwise that you are not a scum.

 

Vote: Canik

 

This is in addition to my theory that at least 2 scum were on the Lyner wagon which I have posted earlier.

 

If you turn up scum I believe this will also reveal Finster as your scum buddy. So lynching you gives a lot more info to town then not lynching you unless new information comes to light today. BTW, I also had the opinion that Rhizo was also working with you but I believe Mandarijn's claim so I am gonna trust him when he says Rhizo is probably town so I will withdraw my earlier suspicion of him unless new info comes to light. But for now if you turn up scum there is a vey good probability Finster is also scum and also a good probability of Avater.

This would work if I were scum Imran, but your assessment is wrong, as usual.

 

Tho I'm in the unfortunate position of having to agree with you. Lyner's comment again today that he didn't see anything leads me to believe that he wasn't lying yesterday, as was asserted by a couple of people, which lead me to vote the way I did.

 

This leads me to 2 positions: Canik and Imran. Imran based on the last game I played with him - he'd throw out accusations and see what stuck, and play himself off as an innocent Townie in the process. So you're on my list, even tho...

 

Canik is, IMO, the stronger choice. Based on what Shah posted on D1, and Canik's almost immediate accusation of Lyner after 2 days of lyner's negative results from night actions, trying to say he should have seen *SOMETHING* (not true, its quite possible the people he investigated either really didn't do anything or their roles block his), leads me to believe he wants Lyner's role gone so him and his scum buddies are safer.

 

You almost had me convinced you were town yesterday Canik. Today, not so much

 

VOTE: Canik

 

This also puts me in the position of saying that Imran is probably town, since the scum wouldn't point the finger at their fellow scum, you would think...

This would work if I were scum Imran, but your assessment is wrong, as usual.

 

Tho I'm in the unfortunate position of having to agree with you. Lyner's comment again today that he didn't see anything leads me to believe that he wasn't lying yesterday, as was asserted by a couple of people, which lead me to vote the way I did.

 

This leads me to 2 positions: Canik and Imran. Imran based on the last game I played with him - he'd throw out accusations and see what stuck, and play himself off as an innocent Townie in the process. So you're on my list, even tho...

 

Canik is, IMO, the stronger choice. Based on what Shah posted on D1, and Canik's almost immediate accusation of Lyner after 2 days of lyner's negative results from night actions, trying to say he should have seen *SOMETHING* (not true, its quite possible the people he investigated either really didn't do anything or their roles block his), leads me to believe he wants Lyner's role gone so him and his scum buddies are safer.

 

You almost had me convinced you were town yesterday Canik. Today, not so much

 

VOTE: Canik

 

This also puts me in the position of saying that Imran is probably town, since the scum wouldn't point the finger at their fellow scum, you would think...

 

We bussing now?

I did get something, but I don't want to tell it as it can either confirm Rhizo is a normal townie and scum should target others or I confirm he has a power role. So I don't want to do either... I'm just saying that he's most likely town, but there's still a small chance that he's the godfather or something.

According to this: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Cop godfather cannot hide from you. However there's following sentence in the godfather page:

 

"Alternatively to the above, some moderators take the concept of investigation immunity to make Godfather immune to some other investigation role instead of Cop."

 

We'd need some clarification from TW, unless you've asked already on your own and know the answer.

It's difficult for me to understand why Canik's so bend on proving Lyner's no results (and that can easily mean he has information but nothing that would be meaningful) is a scum indicator.

 

As for Finster it's quite odd for such change of heart. I've made my case about him in the previous day and my suspicions are even stronger after his post (http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-3/page-23?do=findComment&comment=853931)...especially that part:

 

"...leads me to believe he wants Lyner's role gone so him and his scum buddies are safer."

 

That looks really fake...not to mention the fact that noone knows what Lyner's role is.

 

I'm not sure who I'd like to lynch more Canik or Finster, so I'll hold my vote just for now .

Good gambit by KH. Seems like the scum got fooled by it as well.

 

Looking at the people on the Kaz lynch wagon and assuming Mandarijn is telling the truth (i am pretty sure he is, scum wont confirm anyone as town), we can safely say there were no more than 1 scum on that wagon, if any.

 

I would say there were at least 2 scum on the Lyner wagon if Lyner is not scum. They probably thought Lyner will be a better lynch than the inactive Kaz but did not want to put the hammer vote on him, which resulted in the townie Mandarijn hammering the lynch vote on Kaz instead of Lyner.

Confirming one person as town isn't a bad strategy as scum tbh. Especially since if the person who confirmed it is killed and therefore outed as scum, the next logical step would be for the town to lynch the person they confirmed since their results were a lie. Not saying one way or the other, but I hate it when people say "scum would(n't) do this so this person is town. Making you think that is the EXACT reason that they would do it.

 

 

It's difficult for me to understand why Canik's so bend on proving Lyner's no results (and that can easily mean he has information but nothing that would be meaningful) is a scum indicator.

 

As for Finster it's quite odd for such change of heart. I've made my case about him in the previous day and my suspicions are even stronger after his post (http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-3/page-23?do=findComment&comment=853931)...especially that part:

 

"...leads me to believe he wants Lyner's role gone so him and his scum buddies are safer."

 

That looks really fake...not to mention the fact that noone knows what Lyner's role is.

 

I'm not sure who I'd like to lynch more Canik or Finster, so I'll hold my vote just for now .

 

A pretty big scum strategy is to put distance between yourselves, especially if someone gets suspicious. The fact that FB voted for Canik after it was suggested that if he came up scum that he would most likely be scum as well, is kind of suspicious. You'd think that if he suspected Canik he would have voted for him before that was pointed out, or that if he had a reason for holding his vote, he would have explained it and continued waiting.

 

 

 

Also I'm a bit confused as to why Mandy wouldn't have investigated KevinH night 1 since he claimed a role that could be confirmed only by a role cop. Personally I didn't have any strong enough reads on anyone night 1, so why wouldn't you get that investigation out of the way first and let someone show their colors a bit more and target them night 2? Seems odd that you wouldn't perform the obvious investigation night 1.