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Cybernations Mafia

 
Only the following roles may exist in this game:

Vanilla Townie, Bodyguard, Commuter, Sane Cop, Role Cop, Vanilla Cop, Flavor Cop, Doctor, Friendly Neighbor, Follower, Gunsmith, Innocent Child, Jack of All Trades, Jailkeeper, Mafia Goon, Mafia Encryptor, Mafia Godfather, Mafia Ninja, Mafia Strongman, Mafia Traitor, Mason, Miller, Motion Detector, Neapolitan, Neighbor, Neighborizer, Nurse, Roleblocker, Rolestopper, Serial Killer, Tracker, Universal Backup, Vigilante, Voyeur, Watcher

The following modifiers may also exist in this game:

Ascetic, Backup (with or without primary role present), Bulletproof, Enabler (with or without primary role present), Even/Odd Night, Macho, Neighbor, Non-Consecutive Night, Weak, X-Shot

 

Assigned character names are various alliances from Cybernations. Ignore all current Cybernations foreign relations. The current treaty web has no bearing on the assigned characters. Alliances were randomly assigned as "good" or "bad" roles so one's personal opinion of an alliance will not necessarily translate to this game.
 

Sample Role PM said:

You are Valhalla, a Vanilla Townie. Your power is in your vote. You win when the Town controls the game.

 
Players:

1) Imran Ehsan (New Pacific Order) a Town 2-Shot Roleblocker has been rolled on night 3.
2) Robert2424 (Independent Republic of Orange Nations) a Town Universal Backup, has been rolled on night 7.
3) d3mon (Green Protection Agency) a Town Jack-of-all-Trades has been disbanded on day 3.
4) Samus (Umbrella) a Town 2-Shot Rolestopper has been rolled on night 1.
5) Yehom (New Polar Order) a Town Even-Night Follower, has been rolled on night 5.
6) Rafay (Orange Defense Network) a Mafia Jack-of-all-Trades has been disbanded on day 6.
7) Canik
8) Chaplain of Death (Doombird Doomcave) a Town Non-Consecutive Night Watcher has been rolled on night 3.
9) Ali bin Turban (R&R) a Town Vanilla Cop has been rolled on night 4.
10) iSocialism
11) King Hitler (NATO) a Town 1-Shot Commuter has been rolled on night 2.
12) Kaziocore (The Legion) a Town Odd-Night Tracker has been disbanded on day 2.
13) Finster Baby (Mostly Harmless Alliance) a Mafia 1-Shot Strongman has been disbanded on day 5.
14) Rhizoctonia (The Dark Templar) the Mafia Godfather has been disbanded on day 4.
15) Lyner
16) Avater (Federation of Armed Nations), a Town Motion Detector, has been forced to disband on day 7.
17) Roquentin
18) Mandarijn

19) KevinH (Sparta) a Town Miller, has been rolled on night 6.

 

Rules:

• During the Day phase each player may speak and vote in-thread.
• If a player receives the majority of the available votes during the Day, they are lynched.
• At deadline, a player with half-majority will be lynched.
• You may vote No Lynch.
• After the Day, the game goes to Night.
• The game thread is closed during the Night. The Mafia may speak to each other at Night.
• All Active Roles may submit actions via PM at Night.
• The Mafia can, as a faction, kill one player at Night.
• After the Night, the game goes to Day.
• All dead players (lynched or killed) can no longer participate in the game.
• Basic rules for maintaining the integrity of the game thread are in effect (i.e. players may not quote their Role PMs, nor may they discuss the game outside the game thread unless otherwise permitted, etc.)
• The game is won when only one faction remains in the game.
• Mass role-claiming is not allowed, but you may reveal your role if you have something interesting to share.
• You may pm me questions or ask them in the game thread, but you may not get an answer to some things.
• When voting, please enter your vote on a separate line of your post so that it isn't easily missed.

Game Days will last seven days.
Game Nights will last 48 hours.

To clear things (from me): we can't prove that someone here is scum for sure. We can attach different levels of scuminess and pray it wasn't caused by their clumsiness (or our bad judgment).

For me lynch worthy ar Rhizo/Finster , then Canik, then Avater - and to make it clear if I see that there are no chances for lynching higher priority targets I'll go for a lower one, so that we are able to lynch anyone from my list today.

 

Avater is suspicious, but I think there are better targets around. Targeting him is just looking for an excuse not to hit the other guys. Canik is still a very possible target. I was voting to lynch Shah on D2 (as a matter of fact I was the only one left voting for him) and his actions didn't changed my opinion - he didn't do anything to alleviate my suspicion, but also hasn't increased it that much.

 

As for the Rhizo, true there was nothing solid. Just a set of small things that don't mean much on their own but when joined together they allow to build up a theory. Just like I said:

 

1. An assumption what KevinH has mentioned is possible (that there are townies mostly fighting together and scum are watching). Just as mentioned, I'm letting myself to have a moment of doubt and think "what if Shah was just a little clumsy tinfoil hat investigator" (I'm not clearing him though and will vote on him it there are no other targets).

 

2. Rhizo is the one watching - he's not working with the town, he's not discussing any options, asking any questions. Having no role is no excuse - I assure you, there are multiple people here that have shitty roles (like for instance how much does VT differ from KH's 1-shot commuter?). Waiting for someone to throw a solid evidence is also no excuse.

True, there are few others that are not active, but they don't have such activity bursts and don't match my other concerns.

 

3. Rhizo gets suspicious read from Mandarjins role. Getting "Vanilla" in this setup, when so far every townie has turned out to have a role, is far from proving he's townie - it makes him stand out. He may repeat even 100 times that he's VT, but it proves nothing (though it's possible he's indeed).

 

4. I don't know if it's his playstyle but he gets nervous when being mentioned. Accusing most of the people and voting on 99,99% confirmed townie is nothing more than sowing confusion. His arguments about Mandarjin make absolutely no sense.

          Where is the logic for someone being a scum to take a huge risk by making a role claim and to start building a sophisticated trap (supported with me and Imran, who were asking questions) just to take out VT who's not even active !!? How would even Mandarjin knew Rhizo had no role if he was a scum and not a Role cop?

Four days left until deadline.

I'd like more votes to come out.

The town needs to lynch and get lucky.

Four days left until deadline.

I'd like more votes to come out.

The town needs to lynch and get lucky.

Lynching the scum is only half success. Confirming a townie due to successful lynch is as important. I don't think we'll get that from taking out Avater.

 

Quoted for ease of looking at Mandarijn's slow progression.  

 

1.  believes I'm town yet could be Godfather, wont say more

2.  Acts pro town by not wanting to reveal what he found as it could be detrimental, but again states he think's I'm town but throws in Godfather again

3.  Seemingly want to find out if there is more then 1 VT

4.  Comes out with what he finds while earlier stating he wouldn't, twice, and explaining why he wouldn't.

5.  Suddenly now he starts looking at me as scum...though all along he was the one to keep tossing up Godfather.  It wasn't like someone else mentioned the idea of Godfather and started to make him think differently.  Seemingly fishing for others to confirm or deny anyone else doesn't have a PR

Rhizo, I made the mistake to go off of this that I learned last game:

"A Godfather is a role that investigates as Innocent (or some other favorable result) to Cops, regardless of their actual alignment."

 

But then Ali showed me the Role Cop link and there it clearly shows that the Role Cop would succesfully identify the Godfather, but would get "Vanilla" for a normal scum without a role (I thought it was the other way around). And I didn't know that, that's why I screwed up with giving my results and didn't really had any other choice than to give the actual result, because if I didn't it would only confuse the town... It's still very probable that you're scum actually. But like Yehom said, maybe it's better to wait to see if a VT gets killed (to confirm it's not a role madness game) and then you're probably town. If not, then you'll be lynched as you're scum then...

 

 

I have some remarks to make, but not the time to dive into them atm, but by chance you reply before I do, it will help me out a bit.

 

So I may have overlooked something, so my theory may change dependent on your response.  What exactly are you trying to say I could be besides a VT?   I just would like to know exactly what I'm being accused of being besides what I am.  I'm trying to understand your reasoning for outing me as having no role, when I see no benefit for doing so, as it doesn't answer anything or provide any proof, it only helps the Scum. 

So are Avater, Robert and Roquentin going to chime in on the discussion anytime soon? I'd like to hear their stances, especially Avater's

I have pinged them all.

Limiting my choices to those who currently have votes, my order is

1. Avater
2. D3mon
3. Rhizoctonia
4. Canik

 

 

Quoted for ease of looking at Mandarijn's slow progression.  

 

1.  believes I'm town yet could be Godfather, wont say more

2.  Acts pro town by not wanting to reveal what he found as it could be detrimental, but again states he think's I'm town but throws in Godfather again

3.  Seemingly want to find out if there is more then 1 VT

4.  Comes out with what he finds while earlier stating he wouldn't, twice, and explaining why he wouldn't.

5.  Suddenly now he starts looking at me as scum...though all along he was the one to keep tossing up Godfather.  It wasn't like someone else mentioned the idea of Godfather and started to make him think differently.  Seemingly fishing for others to confirm or deny anyone else doesn't have a PR

Rhizo, I made the mistake to go off of this that I learned last game:

"A Godfather is a role that investigates as Innocent (or some other favorable result) to Cops, regardless of their actual alignment."

 

But then Ali showed me the Role Cop link and there it clearly shows that the Role Cop would succesfully identify the Godfather, but would get "Vanilla" for a normal scum without a role (I thought it was the other way around). And I didn't know that, that's why I screwed up with giving my results and didn't really had any other choice than to give the actual result, because if I didn't it would only confuse the town... It's still very probable that you're scum actually. But like Yehom said, maybe it's better to wait to see if a VT gets killed (to confirm it's not a role madness game) and then you're probably town. If not, then you'll be lynched as you're scum then...

 

 

I have some remarks to make, but not the time to dive into them atm, but by chance you reply before I do, it will help me out a bit.

 

So I may have overlooked something, so my theory may change dependent on your response.  What exactly are you trying to say I could be besides a VT?   I just would like to know exactly what I'm being accused of being besides what I am.  I'm trying to understand your reasoning for outing me as having no role, when I see no benefit for doing so, as it doesn't answer anything or provide any proof, it only helps the Scum. 

 

You can also be a normal scum (without a role), which I overlooked (I thought it was Godfather), but it's clearly stated here:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Cop

"There is no indication of the target's alignment; if a Mafia Goon is investigated, they return "Vanilla", although a Godfather will return "Godfather"."

 

 

Lynching the scum is only half success. Confirming a townie due to successful lynch is as important. I don't think we'll get that from taking out Avater.

Hmm...interesting point. I'm not sure there are any scenarios where it would 100% factually confirm someone. Even if Rhizo is lynched and turns up scum, there is still a possibility it's part of a bigger scum plot.. but it would be very needless, very illogical. Rhizo was relatively safe, as were Mandarjin/KevinH.. it would've been much easier and safer to push a lynch on Avater, d3mon, FB or myself. Which makes me find that possibility so unlikely, might as well be fact.

Also, I do have a power role. Everyone else has so far, it's really looking as if virtually if not all town have some power. Making it very likely a Vanilla hit could be a Vanilla scum.

And you are right, Rhizo hasn't done much to help. Yet finds time for very lengthy defense posts. A vanilla town should be hunting, and not worrying so much about their own life.

So -

Unvote
Vote: Rhizo

 

Don't have time to respond like I want to, but at this point I'm taking off my vote from Mandarijn.  I still don't believe there was a reason to come out fully with all the information.  I think you should of stuck with your first plan and not go into more detail as revealing like you did didn't answer any question or provide any significant information one way or the other and revealed to the scum I don't have a PR.  That being said, though I find it a bad choice on your part, I can understand why you felt you needed to come out with everything.

 

Unvote

 

I'll get to my vote later on when I have time to address it and reply to some people.

Vote Count

Canik (3): Lyner, Imran Ehsan, Finster Baby

Rhizoctonia (3): Chaplain of Death, Ali bin Turban, Canik

Avater (1): KevinH

d3mon (1): Rafay

Ali bin Turban (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, d3mon, iSocialism, Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom

 
With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, May 14th, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

Unvote.
Vote: D3mon.
 
He's 2nd on my latest list.
 
Also, Mandarijn did the right thing by sharing info.
He confirmed my role and raised suspicion where it needed to be raised.

Vote Count

Canik (3): Lyner, Imran Ehsan, Finster Baby

Rhizoctonia (3): Chaplain of Death, Ali bin Turban, Canik

d3mon (2): Rafay, KevinH

Ali bin Turban (0):

Avater (0):

Chaplain of Death (0):

Finster Baby (0):
Imran Ehsan (0):

iSocialism (0):

KevinH (0):

Lyner (0):

Mandarijn (0):

Rafay (0):
Robert2424 (0):

Roquentin (0):

Yehom (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not voting: Avater, d3mon, iSocialism, Mandarijn, Rhizoctonia, Robert2424, Roquentin, Yehom

 
With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch or 5 at deadline.
Deadline is Saturday, May 14th, at 9:00am CN Server Time.

3 days until day ends. We only have 10 active players so it takes half our active players just to lynch someone at deadline . and if our suspicions of 5 scum are true, then that means its possible half of the active players are scum. Therefore we as the town have to band together and act on the facts when they are available. If we keep going off of suspicions based entirely off game play or what this or that person said, then we will lose.

3 days until day ends. We only have 10 active players so it takes half our active players just to lynch someone at deadline . and if our suspicions of 5 scum are true, then that means its possible half of the active players are scum. Therefore we as the town have to band together and act on the facts when they are available. If we keep going off of suspicions based entirely off game play or what this or that person said, then we will lose.

I think we'll loose anyway just due to the numbers. The bigger players pool we have the higher chances of town failing (inactive scum does not hurt until he's the last scum standing, while every inactive townie hurts equally).

 

I propose we get Samus back from the dead to replace d3mon/Robert2424. He was townie and died on N1 so he possesses no "illicit" information that would affect his gameplay.

 

3 days until day ends. We only have 10 active players so it takes half our active players just to lynch someone at deadline . and if our suspicions of 5 scum are true, then that means its possible half of the active players are scum. Therefore we as the town have to band together and act on the facts when they are available. If we keep going off of suspicions based entirely off game play or what this or that person said, then we will lose.

I think we'll loose anyway just due to the numbers. The bigger players pool we have the higher chances of town failing (inactive scum does not hurt until he's the last scum standing, while every inactive townie hurts equally).

 

I propose we get Samus back from the dead to replace d3mon/Robert2424. He was townie and died on N1 so he possesses no "illicit" information that would affect his gameplay.

 

 

Most likely but I'm going to play it out and try to push the town to victory until that point.

 

As for Samus. As much as I want samus back, samus has the knowledge of he rolestopped night one. May sound like nothing but that could be pretty relevant.

 

 

3 days until day ends. We only have 10 active players so it takes half our active players just to lynch someone at deadline . and if our suspicions of 5 scum are true, then that means its possible half of the active players are scum. Therefore we as the town have to band together and act on the facts when they are available. If we keep going off of suspicions based entirely off game play or what this or that person said, then we will lose.

I think we'll loose anyway just due to the numbers. The bigger players pool we have the higher chances of town failing (inactive scum does not hurt until he's the last scum standing, while every inactive townie hurts equally).

 

I propose we get Samus back from the dead to replace d3mon/Robert2424. He was townie and died on N1 so he possesses no "illicit" information that would affect his gameplay.

 

 

Most likely but I'm going to play it out and try to push the town to victory until that point.

 

As for Samus. As much as I want samus back, samus has the knowledge of he rolestopped night one. May sound like nothing but that could be pretty relevant.

 

Assuming he used it...anyway it's TW's decision not ours, but it would be nice to get few more people as replacements.

I didn't get pinged but I've been reading. It's hard to choose between Rhizo and Canik since there seems to be an equal amount of suspicion and both have groups of people making good points against them.

 

Vote d3mon. I'd rather narrow it down based on people who don't vote.

I didn't get pinged but I've been reading. It's hard to choose between Rhizo and Canik since there seems to be an equal amount of suspicion and both have groups of people making good points against them.

 

Vote d3mon. I'd rather narrow it down based on people who don't vote.

I don't think lynching inactives everyday is a winning tactic. At least not for townies.

Lynching inactives is not all that bad.  If they are town and have a role, they aren't using it and won't share it if they did have some information.  They are not around to make the votes to lynch the scum when one is finally identified.

We can always look backwards after the townie power roles get killed.

 

Canik (3): Lyner, Imran Ehsan, Finster Baby
Rhizoctonia (3): Chaplain of Death, Ali bin Turban, Canik
D3mon (3): Rafay, KevinH, Antoine Roquentin

 

For instance, if Lyner, Imran Ehsan, or Finster Baby get killed in the night and are shown to have investigative powers, then I'll put more suspicion on Canik because that's whom they were pushing.

 

As time passes, there are more and more clues that we'll get. For instance, someone might see Rhizoctonia move in the night and then we'd know he had to be a mafia goon.
 

I am pretty sure Rhizo is scum. Walls of texts to make anyones head spin but not enough quality content. Did he post what his opinion is on Canik? I just see a quick little FOS list where he added Canik to be on the safe side if Canik turns up scum. He is trying too hard to throw suspicion on Mandarijn as well. A scum never wants too many confirmed towns in a game, it makes their jobs harder for mislynches in later days. So he is attacking Mand which will also discredit the Kevin-is-town result. By the way, can you link where you mentioned you had a VT role before Mandarijn posted his results?

 

So I am fine with a Rhizo lynch as well. I get CODs points. Rather lynch the one acting very scummily than the active one who is at least posting somewhat reasonable justifications. Also there is the added benefit of no PR will get lynched if Rhizo is in fact town. I think both Lyner and COD are townies fighting amongst each other at this point but oif course I may be wrong and we will only know for sure once we lynch either Rhizo or Canik because people have been taking sides with their lynches.

 

So at kevin and others voting for Avater, your reasons are sounds as well to take out the lurker who is probably scum, but I think we will get more info to base our lynch on the next day by lynching either Rhizo or Canik.

 

 

 

1. believes I'm town yet could be Godfather, wont say more 2. Acts pro town by not wanting to reveal what he found as it could be detrimental, but again states he think's I'm town but throws in Godfather again 3. Seemingly want to find out if there is more then 1 VT 4. Comes out with what he finds while earlier stating he wouldn't, twice, and explaining why he wouldn't. 5. Suddenly now he starts looking at me as scum...though all along he was the one to keep tossing up Godfather. It wasn't like someone else mentioned the idea of Godfather and started to make him think differently. Seemingly fishing for others to confirm or deny anyone else doesn't have a PR

 

That is a little curious, but it quite easily could be Mandarjin is just inexperienced.

 

btw, did you say you claimed to be VT before Mandarjin posted it? Can you link us to that? I find that pretty interesting, if Mandarjin just claimed two roles that already revealed themselves.

 

For now, I'm not to sure who to vote for.. but I am sure we need Avater and d3mon to be more active, and Avater has given some reason for suspicion. Might change this later but for now:

 

Vote Avater

 

 

 

Not sure where you both got that I said I claimed VT prior to Mandarijn posting it.  I never stated it, and I just skimmed my posts to see if I misspoke somewhere and I don't know where you're getting this.  The only thing I said is I already claimed to be VT in the same multiquote so I didn't have to say I'm VT 3 different times in the same post.  

 

My Mandarijn theory I have since retracted after him explaining exactly why he went from not going to say what he found but that he thought I was Town, to suddenly doing so a day or so later.  I understand he seemed to have misinterpreted what his findings could mean, and though I still don't think it was necessary to post his findings completely like he did, I can understand him trying to clear it up.  I would of rather he left it at his first post (not tell exactly what he found) and not allow scum to know that I had no role and didn't have to worry about knocking me off quick, then what he did.  Especially because it doesn't provide anything clear, but that's over and done with.

 

Last game by Kevin is also a role madness, but there is a Vanilla Townie that has a hidden ability and a Neapolitan that can be used to detect Vanillas

 

Kevin, as we all know, an experienced GM, even thinks that it is probable that there is at least one vanilla is present, and more so considering TW uses the same roles template as the last game. TW even included the sample role PM of a Vanilla townie in the OP.

 

The fact is that we don't know anything and any proof of scumminess in Rhizo is purely from his behaviour, suggesting anything otherwise is forcing your biased opinion.

 

Want to revise your opinion?

 

 

Bolded for fact.  At least Lyner seems to get it and agree.  

 

To clear things (from me): we can't prove that someone here is scum for sure. We can attach different levels of scuminess and pray it wasn't caused by their clumsiness (or our bad judgment).

For me lynch worthy ar Rhizo/Finster , then Canik, then Avater - and to make it clear if I see that there are no chances for lynching higher priority targets I'll go for a lower one, so that we are able to lynch anyone from my list today.

 

Avater is suspicious, but I think there are better targets around. Targeting him is just looking for an excuse not to hit the other guys. Canik is still a very possible target. I was voting to lynch Shah on D2 (as a matter of fact I was the only one left voting for him) and his actions didn't changed my opinion - he didn't do anything to alleviate my suspicion, but also hasn't increased it that much.

 

As for the Rhizo, true there was nothing solid. Just a set of small things that don't mean much on their own but when joined together they allow to build up a theory. Just like I said:

 

1. An assumption what KevinH has mentioned is possible (that there are townies mostly fighting together and scum are watching). Just as mentioned, I'm letting myself to have a moment of doubt and think "what if Shah was just a little clumsy tinfoil hat investigator" (I'm not clearing him though and will vote on him it there are no other targets).

 

2. Rhizo is the one watching - he's not working with the town, he's not discussing any options, asking any questions. Having no role is no excuse - I assure you, there are multiple people here that have shitty roles (like for instance how much does VT differ from KH's 1-shot commuter?). Waiting for someone to throw a solid evidence is also no excuse.

True, there are few others that are not active, but they don't have such activity bursts and don't match my other concerns.

 

3. Rhizo gets suspicious read from Mandarjins role. Getting "Vanilla" in this setup, when so far every townie has turned out to have a role, is far from proving he's townie - it makes him stand out. He may repeat even 100 times that he's VT, but it proves nothing (though it's possible he's indeed).

 

4. I don't know if it's his playstyle but he gets nervous when being mentioned. Accusing most of the people and voting on 99,99% confirmed townie is nothing more than sowing confusion. His arguments about Mandarjin make absolutely no sense.

          Where is the logic for someone being a scum to take a huge risk by making a role claim and to start building a sophisticated trap (supported with me and Imran, who were asking questions) just to take out VT who's not even active !!? How would even Mandarjin knew Rhizo had no role if he was a scum and not a Role cop?

 

Can we just actually get to the real reason?  You have no solid proof, your reasoning to lynch me could be said the same for multiple people, so really all we have here is you wanting me lynched because you think so, which is fine, but quit trying to spew "evidence," when your evidence to lynch me is nothing concrete and could be said about many.

 

You say I'm just watching.  Yes, I've already stated I've been busy, even back on D2 a few days before deadline I posted that I have been busy but reading and keeping up with things.   I at least checked in and tried to let people know.  My replies are usually long, in fact pretty much everything I ever post is long, or when I'm involved in talks, I'm very detailed.  (Mandarijn and Mod TW could attest to this from many instances outside mafia)  For which this takes time for me to write out, and usually it's long because I have to reply to many things over the past few days(like this post), as well as people have pointed out some suspicious behavior that I agree with, but I saw no reason to chime in saying the exact same thing with others were already on it, and me coming out accusing someone or voting someone and then not being able to get on to reply to any replies to my claim and looking like I'm just bandwagonning on someone(people have been accused of bandwagon for less).  I've stated my main reason for not posting much, and that is time, my reason for mentioning the whole no role is it's nice to get some information from people who have them since I dont.  You claim it's no excuse, just look at King Hitler's....well how much was King Hitler really helping out the town even with his crappy role?  He wasn't involved that much prior to being killed, so he had a crappy role, and was doing the same or less then me...so what's you point?  I rather have that role and look to find a good way to use it then no role.  

 

I'm glad you at least admit that right after that statement that there are others.  Actually there is plenty.  Roq, D3mon, Robert, Avatar, Rafay, Kevin (besides lately).  You claim I am not working with town on these witch hunts and that's a reason to lynch me, but please tell me where I've done anything less then those just mentioned besides maybe Kevin whose chimed in more near the end?  The likes of Avatar was only active when he was being suspected and now suddenly gone away, Lyner and Canik have been because they are possible targets for a lynch as well.  Fact is, for the most part, a good portion of the ones active are the ones being looked as to lynch.  They don't match your other concerns?  What can be your other concerns, as outside of my activity all you have is Mandarijn's information which doesn't say one way or the other, so if that's your real reason, at least admit it so we can know your going off nothing that says one way or the other.  Not sure how you want me to "prove" myself, all I can say is what I am....and that may not prove anything, but neither does his Vanilla result prove anything else either.  It's hard for you to have concerns about people who don't post, don't vote, or in case of d3mon have a total of 2 postings this whole game.  

 

I don't get nervous, I reply to who calls me out.  Again, what others have done that were called out.  If you expect me to just sit there and not respond when I have time, well you'll have to get over it or don't, I really don't care either way.  If you're going to sit there and come out with reasons to lynch me that could be said for the same for many, I'm going to defend myself on them.  And who are these 99.9% confirmed townies.  I've called out the likes of you and Imran and Mandarijn.  Please tell me where you, or Imran are 99.9% confirmed town?  I know you want people to believe that, but you just spitting that out means nothing.  If you claim me saying me saying I'm VT proves nothing, well you saying you or the likes of the 3 I have accused or voted for are 99.9% proves the same.  

 

Roq just posted here with the exact thing I've said.  He hasn't been posting but been reading...same as I said 3 or 4 days before deadline of D2.  Now I give Roq a little leeway due to the fact he's an ambassador from another alliance and doesn't spend as much time here as others, but if you're going to lynch me for reading and not "witchhunting" then you're saying Roq should be lynched now as well.  I don't agree with it, nor do I think it's solely a reason to, because I understand people don't always have said time to devote as others, but doesn't mean people aren't keeping up or forming opinions.   

 

To my Mandarijn theory, I've already stepped back from that, as stated in my response above.  But to your remark, I never accused Mandarijn of not being a role cop, my theory was that he was possibly a role cop that was scum.

 

 

Anyway at this point I'm holding off on my vote.  I'm leaning towards the likes of ABT or Imran as they're the two most looking to push a lynch and have seemingly been working together since D2.  They've defended one another when they were called out, they use the same reasoning to push the lynch.  They both in the last day have called out individuals voting Avatar, and looking to get people to change from that.  Both of which have claimed there is good claims to vote Avatar, but trying to push a lynch elsewhere.  It's like literally they're the same person typing half the time.  

 

The other option I see look to vote off one that hasn't voted nor posted....the likes of D3mon/Avatar/Robert.  D3mon's had 2 post this whole game, Avatar has gone missing, and I believe Robert's posted like once in the last 2 days of this game.  Maybe one of the inactive will come up as VT as well and prove there are some.  Roq and Yehom has at least posted in the last day, though been relatively quiet otherwise.  Or vote Canik, whose been suspicious, but my suspicion is mainly on the basis of the quick 360 from Shah to when Canik started playing.  Canik was able to see he had many votes coming his way.  Him taking over, he was able to completely go a different route then Shah was and take heat off him mainly because some gave him the benefit of the doubt and believe it was Shah being Shah so to say.  It could very well be true, or it could be Canik seeing the writing on the wall and knew he had to basically retract everything Shah said to stay out of the line of fire.

 

 

I didn't get pinged but I've been reading. It's hard to choose between Rhizo and Canik since there seems to be an equal amount of suspicion and both have groups of people making good points against them.

 

Vote d3mon. I'd rather narrow it down based on people who don't vote.

I don't think lynching inactives everyday is a winning tactic. At least not for townies.

How many times have you called me inactive, and or used that as a reason to have me lynched?

Actually the lynch wagon on canik is based entirely on opinion of his gameplay and has no facts involved. Your wagon is based on the fact that you came up Vanilla in what appears to be a role madness game. That is the only fact the town has to go on.

My computer is back online again. I'll begin catching up after dinner. 

We do have enough town left that we can afford another mislynch, so long as the remaining townies are active. Rhizo is active, so it would hurt worse to lose him than d3mon. Though if he is scum, that's 1 more scum vote around. All in all, I think it's pretty much a toss up between which is better - Rhizo or d3mon. Just pick one, or pick me. Don't really care at this point. However if you pick me, when I turn out to be town, my dying wishes are you lynch Lyner or Imran next. The are playing rather curiously if you ask me, seeming not to understand certain lines of logic that the rest of the town understands.. I'd be harsher on them but they are active and have made some decent arguments here and there. Have no real evidence, just my gut.