So does that mean there is only one VT?

So does that mean there is only one VT?

What makes you think this? I would highly doubt that there is only 1 VT and 7 Town PR's with the scum team only having a Goon and Godfather.

Well, I can see masons, they are like VT's just with the knowledge of one confirmed Townie or 2. I'm not entirely a fan of the Mason role, but it has balancing capabilities.

 

Though guessing how many town pr's only helps the mafia. We have a decent guess on the mafia roles. However if we do have 7 town power roles that mean 3 mafia. I don't know how isoc would be wondering about that, unless he knows somehow there are either 7 prs or 3 mafia. Whatever the case he should be watched. That's odd he picked that out of the list unless he's going off of knowledge the majority doesn't have.

 

@COD I didn't fully read that post from Kevin until a few posts ago as that info should of been in his first or second post of the game. But thanks anyways for making sure nobody was left out.

 

UNVOTE

 

there's a small tussel between FB and rafay but I feel it's more distracting or carried over from a different game. I don't feel either are focused right now.

 

I have a short list already of townie members, and whom I suspect already. A productive day one without a Lynch. It's a huge plus.

I stand by my vote.  Rafay will lurk and lurk and add nothing of substance to the hunt for scum, just like every other game I've been with him in.

 

I expect a NL will carry the day, and am OK with that.

I said one thing that's is a question, and Robert wants me watched. I wonder why. My question about there only being one VT is as, there can only be one, not two of them since two VT and a SK have been deleted. Also I don't see where you guys came up with the conclusion that there is 7 PR. I see the 3 scums, but not that the remaining players all have PRs.

I really like the way current voting is going.

 

vote Rafay

 

Contribute or die.

 

As for the setup, with the possibilities KevinH have presented:

 

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer  : ~2% chance of happening
TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer : ~33% chance of happening
TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer : ~55% chance of happening
T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer : ~10% chance of happening

 

I'm not expecting first one to be the case but for rest of them...it's all possible.

 

 

 

Okay this setup seems interesting That means if every townies role claim we can accurately predict scum's roles and ratio, although I wouldn't recommend that. Also CoD brought up a good point, I think it is likely that we have at least 2 masons, or none at all (which means more other PRs) I think we should first day lynch this time

 

RCing would be a very bad move. Due to the fact there are multiple roles possible scum can easily blend in by making fake claim. In case of mass claim if a scum says for example he's a cop, you won't be able to tell who's lying. What's worse it may happen that town claims + scum claims will add nicely and thus we'll think that we're in a different setup - and that will lead to misslynches.

that info should of been in his first or second post of the game.

 

First post:

C9++ include ...

 

The setup was randomly generated as specified for 13 players.  A serial killer and 2 vanilla townies were deleted.

 

 

Vote Count:

Rafay (3): Finster Baby, Kaziocore, Ali bin Turban,

Kaziocore (1): Chaplain of Death,

Lyner (1): iSocialism,

Finster Baby (1): Rafay,

Ali bin Turban (0):

Chaplain of Death

iSocialism

Robert2424

SeaBeeGipson

The Warrior

 

No lynch:

 

Not voting: Lyner, SeaBeeGipson, The Warrior, Robert2424,

 

With 10 alive, it take 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.

Deadline is Thursday, December 8, at 17:00 EST.

I wouldnt suggest anyone RC soon. I feel we should play as if we have a 7 PR/3 Scum setup. Worst case, we are wrong and get 1 more mislynch. It also allows us to think more carefully as mislynching would led us to hitting a PR. I say we just play with that mentality.

 

On that note, Rafay's lurking is pretty toxic every game I play and if there isn't any substanable post in my opinion before the days end, I believe that should be our target. I just rather not vote now to prevent the mishap on the HP game where we ended the day in record speed.

 

 

No, I just hate you and want you dead.

 

Thats what a mafia goon would say.

Eh Kazio also lurked last time and won as scum, so definitely on my first day lynch list too

 

Contributions wise tho, Rafay has done fewer this game

 

 

Vote: Rafay for now

Vote Count:

Rafay (4): Finster Baby, Kaziocore, Ali bin Turban, Lyner,
Kaziocore (1): Chaplain of Death,
Lyner (1): iSocialism,
Finster Baby (1): Rafay,
Ali bin Turban (0):
Chaplain of Death
iSocialism
Robert2424
SeaBeeGipson
The Warrior

 

No lynch:

Not voting: SeaBeeGipson, The Warrior, Robert2424,

 
With 10 alive, it take 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Thursday, December 8, at 17:00 EST.
 

Told you guys lurking a scum tell before. But nobody listened till it became a problem, or simply cause I said it first.

 

I hate to tell you, "I told you so", but, I told you so.

 

Also I thought it was randomly generated Ali?

Current post count:

  

KevinH  7

Robert2424 7

The Warrior 5

SeaBeeGipson 3

Finster Baby 3

Lyner 3

iSocialism 3

Kaziocore 2

Chaplain of death 2

Rafay 2

Ali bin Turban 1

 

 

I'd like to hear more from everyone with 2 or fewer posts.

 

I am leaning towards Rafay right now as well. The style of play just does not sit well with me. If you are town you should be contributing. That's really all there is to it.

 

Vote Rafay

It *is* day 1. but no activity = bad.

 

No, I just hate you and want you dead.

 

Thats what a mafia goon would say.

 

Maybe if I were a goon you'd be right.  I'm not a goon, again, but you go on with your non-active ways.  This'll be a short game for you.

 

 

I am leaning towards Rafay right now as well. The style of play just does not sit well with me. If you are town you should be contributing. That's really all there is to it.   Vote Rafay

 

You just went against yourself. Ali has posted less than me and still you're voting for me.

 

If its an anti-Rafay game; just tell me. I would've sat out of it.

 

I'm a simple VT nothing to claim at all...... 

unvote

 

Wow, that was to quick. Careful guys...we were just one vote from finishing the day prematurely.

unvote

 

Wow, that was to quick. Careful guys...we were just one vote from finishing the day prematurely.

Vote CoD

Because.

 

Hopefully it poses as enough of a message that lurking isn't a favorable or fun playstyle any longer.

 

I am leaning towards Rafay right now as well. The style of play just does not sit well with me. If you are town you should be contributing. That's really all there is to it.   Vote Rafay

 

You just went against yourself. Ali has posted less than me and still you're voting for me.

 

If its an anti-Rafay game; just tell me. I would've sat out of it.

 

I'm a simple VT nothing to claim at all...... 

 

Noone's expecting you to claim anything. We're expecting you to stay active, share your thoughts and contribute to the game. If you don't feel like being able to do that there's always and option to ask for a replacement.

Vote Count:

Rafay (4): Finster Baby, Kaziocore, Lyner, The Warrior,
Kaziocore (1): Chaplain of Death,
Lyner (1): iSocialism,
Finster Baby (1): Rafay,
Chaplain of Death (1): SeaBeeGipson,
Ali bin Turban (0):
iSocialism
Robert2424
SeaBeeGipson
The Warrior

 

No lynch:

Not voting: Robert2424, Ali bin Turban,

 
With 10 alive, it take 6 to lynch or 3 at deadline.
Deadline is Thursday, December 8, at 17:00 EST.
 

Told you guys lurking a scum tell before. But nobody listened till it became a problem, or simply cause I said it first.

 

I hate to tell you, "I told you so", but, I told you so.

 

Also I thought it was randomly generated Ali?

Hmm, somehow my post didn't get posted. Anyway, I'm not sure what you mean, Robert. Kevinh's said it was all randomly generated, but still different results have different probabilities (that's because game setup was not determined with just one roll but with seven).

 

If we're facing case one (2% probability) that means there's just one PR (who might be 1-shot Vig for example) and that means we have to push lynches, because there's no other way to find out scums. If we're in other scenarios then we're having more PR's, but still we're not guaranteed to have any investigation roles, so sitting out NL might not be the best move.

Also it would be irony for Rafay to be our only cop...but luckily that's not the case, since he admitted himself that he's not (still, so quick buildup of a bandwagon is a bit worrying).

 

I am leaning towards Rafay right now as well. The style of play just does not sit well with me. If you are town you should be contributing. That's really all there is to it.   Vote Rafay

 

You just went against yourself. Ali has posted less than me and still you're voting for me.

 

If its an anti-Rafay game; just tell me. I would've sat out of it.

 

I'm a simple VT nothing to claim at all...... 

 

In terms of post count you are correct that, prior to my post, Ali had one fewer post than you did. However, Ali's one post was worth more than your two posts in my opinion:

 

 

I really like the way current voting is going.

 

vote Rafay

 

Contribute or die.

 

As for the setup, with the possibilities KevinH have presented:

 

TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer  : ~2% chance of happening

TTTTT = Goon + Godfather, Serial Killer : ~33% chance of happening

TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer : ~55% chance of happening

T = Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer : ~10% chance of happening

 

I'm not expecting first one to be the case but for rest of them...it's all possible.

 

 

 

Okay this setup seems interesting That means if every townies role claim we can accurately predict scum's roles and ratio, although I wouldn't recommend that. Also CoD brought up a good point, I think it is likely that we have at least 2 masons, or none at all (which means more other PRs) I think we should first day lynch this time

 

RCing would be a very bad move. Due to the fact there are multiple roles possible scum can easily blend in by making fake claim. In case of mass claim if a scum says for example he's a cop, you won't be able to tell who's lying. What's worse it may happen that town claims + scum claims will add nicely and thus we'll think that we're in a different setup - and that will lead to misslynches.

 

VS.

 

Vote: FB

 

Jealous much??

 

 

No, I just hate you and want you dead.

 

Thats what a mafia goon would say.

 

 

Your two short posts consisted of "no u". Ali's consisted of game setup analysis and advising people not to role claim and make things any easier on the scum.

 

You don't have to be the top poster, but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect you to contribute (if you are town). If you are willing to offer something more, I will reconsider my vote.

 

So other than Finster, who catches your eye up to this point, Rafay?

So, Rafay have you already RC as a VT?

@Isoc, there should be nothing you have to worry about unless your hiding something. 

 

@TW, what made you put Rafay so easily at L-1? Did you not see how many votes where on Rafay at that point? Mafia could of placed the last vote and got him lynched. 

You're assuming a couple things:
1) That Rafay is town and would therefore be voted for by the mafia.
2) That there was a scum member left who could vote for Rafay. If Rafay was town he very well already could have had a scum or multiple scums voting for him before I cast my vote.
3) That the mafia would want to hammer a vote on him early and risk exposing the member that cast the final vote.

I don't do the whole FOS bs. I voted for Rafay because he was the person that I trusted the least at the time. If he would have gotten lynched and turned up town it would suck but at least then we would have known what he was and had something to look at moving forward.

Since Ali has unvoted for now, Rafay is no longer in immediate danger of being lynched so he has time to share his thoughts. I'd like to hear what you think up to this point, Rafay. Do you actually suspect Finster or was it more of a omgus vote on him?

I'm more interested in what we gain from a Rafay lynch. To me, it wont show much.

 

He comes up scum, good job. We got one scum down. This does not mean the alternate scums arent on his wagon or arenot hiding in his wagon. We dont get much towards our next scum.

 

If he comes up town, not too much harm. It seems heavily town sided if we have only 2 scum, and we have some mislynches to go through. But what can we learn? We look at the wagon and it could be a multitude of excuses from "just lynching an active lurker" to anything else. It leaves an easy spot for scum to hide for another day. (Note: this is one reason why lurking hurts the town.)