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[Kitkat16]

FS108 (4): Lyner, The Warrior, vgmmaster, LordSunday
Lyner (2): iSocialism, Ferastical
vgmmaster (2): Rafay, KevinH
Rafay (2): Canik, Rhizoctonia
Canik (1): Kitkat16

 

Lyner's vote on FS108 had to stay because he had 2 votes himself.

I would have expected Rafay to switch away from vgmmaster onto one of the others to save himself.

The town had to lynch somebody so I don't hold anything against LordSunday for the 4th vote.

 

The Warrior had an early vote on  a now-known townie and kept it there as he was soon to be lynched.  That might be suspicious.

 

I also find TW suspicious for casting aspersions on me.

[iSocialism]

VG, was most likely killed because of his activeness. There are no power roles, so it would be the next thing to go for. Mason are pretty much a collective town, and I hope they did a lot of talking and strategizing last night. As for where scum may or may not have been. Is really just a personal opinion. Just as I could suggest that the people who are pointing fingers are just trying to get the next lynch going, or a direction for a suspect. Anyone was likely to be scum IMO. Didn't matter where I placed my vote. I would think though that having vote on more than one person would be better.

[KevinH]

Vote: Ferastical

 

He's tied with Lyner for having the fewest posts all game.

 

My gut feeling is that the scum let the townies lynch their own.

 

The good news is that all the masons are still alive.

[Lord MK]

*Game update - Due to a small balancing issue, I have to modify the rules a bit.
A friend of mine had suggested that the mafia had a slight unfair advantage , wherein if one of the masons is killed early in the game, then mafia will have more easiness in finding fellow masons by linkage of posts as most masons try to defend each other during day, unlike scum who try to maximize distance from each other.

so, I have made a distinction,
where all town players have Vanilla Townie as primary role, and all mafia have mafia Goon as primary role.
The role of Mason along with all other modifiers which may exist in the game is now a secondary role.

And all players, on death, will be shown as whatever is their primary role, and secondary modifiers will be shown only at the end of the game.

This rule, partially offsets the absence of an investigative role in the game, as now the mafia is also playing blindly.

I know that this sounds a little different from normal practice, but this makes activity all the more important.
So let's try it out and see how it goes.
If it becomes too confusing, we will see what to do then.

[Kitkat16]

*Game update - Due to a small balancing issue, I have to modify the rules a bit.
A friend of mine had suggested that the mafia had a slight unfair advantage , wherein if one of the masons is killed early in the game, then mafia will have more easiness in finding fellow masons by linkage of posts as most masons try to defend each other during day, unlike scum who try to maximize distance from each other.

so, I have made a distinction,
where all town players have Vanilla Townie as primary role, and all mafia have mafia Goon as primary role.
The role of Mason along with all other modifiers which may exist in the game is now a secondary role.

And all players, on death, will be shown as whatever is their primary role, and secondary modifiers will be shown only at the end of the game.

This rule, partially offsets the absence of an investigative role in the game, as now the mafia is also playing blindly.

I know that this sounds a little different from normal practice, but this makes activity all the more important.
So let's try it out and see how it goes.
If it becomes too confusing, we will see what to do then.

 

This actually got me thinking about tactics in this game..... if you see groups of players defending each other, they're likely either scum or mafia. The trick is figuring out which

[The Warrior]

The town had to lynch somebody so I don't hold anything against LordSunday for the 4th vote.

 

The Warrior had an early vote on a now-known townie and kept it there as he was soon to be lynched. That might be suspicious.

 

So according to you Kevin, if the town had to lynch somebody, why does LordSunday deserve a pass from you but I "might be suspicious"? Simply because I voted for FS earlier? That's garbage.

 

I first asked FS108 to share his thoughts on August 14th at 3:56pm server time. 17 hours later (August 15th @ 9:17am server time) he had yet to respond so I voted for him under the premise that he was either scum trying to avoid attention or at best an unhelpful/inactive townie. I then asked him again to please provide his thoughts.

 

~24 hours later (August 16th @ 8:57am) FS still had not responded. So in post #80 I clearly spelled out to him what he was up against -- 4 votes and in line to be lynched at the deadline which was now only 1 day away and I again asked him to share his thoughts. He didn't.

 

LMK closed the game thread with FS being lynched at 3:06pm on August 17th (almost 3 full days after I first asked FS to share his thoughts). I don't see how my "early vote on a now known townie" looks suspicious here. It came three days before the deadline and I asked several times for FS's thoughts. He failed to make a single post, let alone provide any meaningful thoughts for the town in three days.

 

We were basically all in agreement (even you Kevin) that no-lynching was never an option given the game format so someone had to go:

 

Upon further consideration, I have changed my mind.

 

There is not a cop in this setup, so there is no point in waiting to lynch.

 

 

Regardless, the town needs to get busy and pick a candidate to lynch.

 

and FS had just as much of a chance as being scum as anyone else:

 

Assuming that the roles were randomly assigned, Canik is just as likely to be scum as anyone else.

 

So how is it then that I was essentially following the advice that you were giving out, and with good reason, but suddenly that makes me look potentially suspicious to you?

 

Given his contribution to the game before I voted for him, and his complete lack of contribution to the game after I voted for him, I don't believe that my final vote on him was misplaced. FS had every opportunity to provide his thoughts to the town and he failed to do so. If I'm not mistaken Kevin, aren't you the one that always votes for the inactive townies because at best they "could be scum" and at worst they "won't be around to help the town when needed"?

 

And for the record:

As his reason for calling me potentially suspicious, Kevin notes that I had an "early vote on a now known townie". However, Kevin also ended day 1 having cast a vote for vgm who is a "now known townie". And his vote for vgm came in post #76 on August 15th @ 10:21am server time which was only four posts (and ~1 hour) after my vote for FS (post #72) on August 15th @ 9:12am server time.

[LordSunday]

I'm going to get myself caught up throughout the day and will post my thoughts this evening

[KevinH]

The Warrior doth protest too much, methinks.  (... with apologies to Hamlet Act III, Scene II)

 

Please note that my vote is on Ferastical, not The Warrior.

 

I agree with what The Warrior wrote, but the fact remains that he was in on the lynch.  And there, but for the grace of God, go I.

[Canik]

and Canik for suggesting I'm mafia just cuz I didn't vote to kill a townie. Well you didn't vote for him either. See where this i going. Huh huh?

​That's not the reason I suggested you're mafia. I suggested it because it seemed like you might have inside knowledge of who is town, which only mafia would know. However - after reading KevinH's analysis and giving it some more thought I am less suspicious of you now. I will put you back in the middle of the pack for now.

​Everyone is near the middle of the pack right now in my eyes. The few who are standing out a bit to me (at this moment) are:

​iSoc. He's been playing it a bit too safe for my taste. Mostly just reminding us that there is no real evidence and that everything is opinionated.

​Lord Sunday. Was part of a town-killing wagon but why he stands out a bit to me at this moment is his "I'll read throughout the day and post later" comment. Mafia love to delay.

​King Cankles. Vote ensured a townie lynch. Hasn't posted yet. Quiet in general. Mafia prefer not to talk much.

​Lyner: Voted to lynch town. Quiet.

Ferastical: I don't think he's posted since I got here. We got a couple people who may die from the post requirement rule.
​
 

[LordSunday]

Alright:

 

So D1 was going to be a tough choice, and unless scum had either fucked up badly or we got lucky odds were a townie would get lynched.

 

Here's the people who voted for FS: Lyner, The Warrior, vgmmaster, LordSunday, King Cankles

 

vgm gets waxed N1, but the person he voted for was the lynch, so scum probably hit him for being an active townie.

 

My suspicions for today fall on the quiet. I don't know what this super secret trick for quickly obtaining the post count is, but I would suspect some familiar names will be near the bottom.

 

With that in mind, anyone else who is town should make a point to get above the 4 posts! It's not hard to do, and in a previous game where a similar post rule was in effect we lost because a townie didn't post enough on the day we would've lynched the final scum.

 

Lord Sunday. Was part of a town-killing wagon but why he stands out a bit to me at this moment is his "I'll read throughout the day and post later" comment. Mafia love to delay.

 

My OOC reason: I help my family operate an over 300-site campground so I'm way too busy to type and re-type elaborate posts during the mornings/early afternoons 

[Rafay]

​Lyner: Voted to lynch town. Quiet.

 

Nice pick there.

[King Cankles]

I'm going to go ahead and vote for FS as well. If you have no intention of voting for anyone or pressing anyone then one of two things is true:
 
1) You are scum trying to avoid attention on day 1.
or
2) You are a townie that is not currently of any use to the town.
 Vote: FS108
 
Please provide any thoughts you might have.

I'm short on time ATM but from what I skimmed this makes the most sense. I'll read up later.
FoS: FS

and Canik for suggesting I'm mafia just cuz I didn't vote to kill a townie. Well you didn't vote for him either. See where this i going. Huh huh?

​That's not the reason I suggested you're mafia. I suggested it because it seemed like you might have inside knowledge of who is town, which only mafia would know. However - after reading KevinH's analysis and giving it some more thought I am less suspicious of you now. I will put you back in the middle of the pack for now.
​Everyone is near the middle of the pack right now in my eyes. The few who are standing out a bit to me (at this moment) are:
​iSoc. He's been playing it a bit too safe for my taste. Mostly just reminding us that there is no real evidence and that everything is opinionated.
​Lord Sunday. Was part of a town-killing wagon but why he stands out a bit to me at this moment is his "I'll read throughout the day and post later" comment. Mafia love to delay.
​King Cankles. Vote ensured a townie lynch. Hasn't posted yet. Quiet in general. Mafia prefer not to talk much.
​Lyner: Voted to lynch town. Quiet.
Ferastical: I don't think he's posted since I got here. We got a couple people who may die from the post requirement rule.
​
 

As quoted above, I voted for FS quite logically, and I didn't hammer the vote. I have the same amount of suspicion as anyone else who voted for FS. He should have defended himself.

[iSocialism]

Scum will lynch from the top of the post count. Town will likely start hunting/probing people from the bottom of the post count list.

Insert your own reasoning

Here come's mine

This can create a Goldilocks scenario. Being to high on the post count list can lead people to wonder why you're not getting killed at night. Being too low on the post count can make people be willing to lynch you/suspect you. The same can be consider for the Masons. failure to call out someone on the low end, can draw attention to you and that person. Being right in the middle of post list is the safest IMO. Scum like to be safe, and to blend in with the town.

This whole back and fourth about not being on the wagon makes so and so a scum and vi versa, is funny. I think it's lynch baiting. Seeing if you call someone out if someone would be willing to at least back you up, and maybe give that person a vote. I don't think who was where on the wagons will give us much to go on.  Everyone was content on FS lynch, no one wanted to defend him, no wanted to vote another "candidate" to add a second option. Doesn't matter if you voted for him or not. All of us were fine with it.

[Rhizoctonia]

Well TW seems to want to try to compete with my novel posts this round.  Bring it on!  JK, I think everyone would just ragequit the game

 

 

That being said, TW's post seems rather over the top for a minor hint of suspicion thrown his way.  Kevin brought up something to think about, and TW went overboard trying to defend himself.  Kinda odd of TW TBH to go that indepth to defend oneself when a single vote hasn't even been put on him.  Feel his vote could of been defended with a lot less.

 

I don't however feel TW is really wrong (just over the top), as TW on several occasions asked and gave FS108 an option to reply and post a response.  FS108 disappeared the last few days and that alone didn't help not get him lynched.  I don't necessarily blame people for voting for him due to this....but I don't just vote someone because they aren't active (unless it's a habitual act), and FS108 was active in last game so it's not likely it would continue throughout the whole game.  Plus as others pointed at his posts Day 1, he had similar types of posts last game, as he's very "green" in Mafia being his only second game, and he was town there.  I'm not sure why he didn't post, maybe got busy or something came up...but voting merely on activity isn't necessarily the best choice either.  

 

Out of the 5 that were on the wagon, I highly doubt there was more then a single scum on it, if any.  Very likely scum sat back and let town lynch one of their own the first day, as there's no point in being involved with the lynch of a town Day 1 if no other scum were in danger, and especially in this game where very early on most agreed we should lynch D1.  FS108 made for an easy target as well to cause a mislynch.  As I believe someone has stated already, I'd be more suspicious of the people who chimed in trying to push suspicion on FS108 yet not voting him or voting someone else.  But I wouldn't rule out a single person on FS108's wagon being scum...wouldn't surprise me if there's 1 of 3 scum on it.

There's also many ways to look at VGMmaster's kill.  My guess is it's likely due to VG being one of the most vocal people, and one that was the most trying to dissect people's posts.  Never played with VGMmaster, but from VG's D1 posts, shes was going to be a threat to scum and finding them.

[Rhizoctonia]

Scum will lynch from the top of the post count. Town will likely start hunting/probing people from the bottom of the post count list.

Insert your own reasoning

Here come's mine

This can create a Goldilocks scenario. Being to high on the post count list can lead people to wonder why you're not getting killed at night. Being too low on the post count can make people be willing to lynch you/suspect you. The same can be consider for the Masons. failure to call out someone on the low end, can draw attention to you and that person. Being right in the middle of post list is the safest IMO. Scum like to be safe, and to blend in with the town.

This whole back and fourth about not being on the wagon makes so and so a scum and vi versa, is funny. I think it's lynch baiting. Seeing if you call someone out if someone would be willing to at least back you up, and maybe give that person a vote. I don't think who was where on the wagons will give us much to go on.  Everyone was content on FS lynch, no one wanted to defend him, no wanted to vote another "candidate" to add a second option. Doesn't matter if you voted for him or not. All of us were fine with it.

 

 

Anyone trying to look at post counts as a reason to lynch or not lynch someone is rather ridiculous.  It's had zero baring on my votes, as I've said game in and game out, the fluff and pointless votes and unvotes D1 and the lulz posts always anyone to inflate their post count.  I care about substance, as should anyone else.  The only time suspicion and/or votes be cast for people in regards to posts is if they are blatantly not posting or contributing to force the issue.  But someone could have a lot less posts then others and that's not suspicious to me if at least they continued to post thought the day (not just at beginning or end) and actually contributed something.  Suggesting all scum are safe in the middle is also quite flawed when scum are 3 different people.  Some people are more active, some aren't, some have real life stuff come up, some dont, some, so on and so forth.  Very likely scum are in all "tiers" when it comes to post count.  You've played more then I have so I shouldn't be needing to say this.

 

So you think it's not worthwhile to take note on who was on what wagon, or look at how people voted?  Then please enlighten me on your grand scheme of finding someone?  At least people are trying to find a scum and or putting pressure on people, where you're only gauge of suspicion is who is in the middle it seems.  This game is merely relying on looking at wagons and posts...there's no other roles to help find one any other way.  

Who said we are all fine with it?  Obviously there ones who weren't (felt someone was better) or also scum avoiding being on the lynch if 7 other people were not on the lynch of him.  Not another candidate?  There were 3 other candidates with 2 votes, there was plenty of other possible candidates put forth.  You could make the argument that everyone was fine with lynching someone, but suggesting everyone thought FS108 was the one to go with or that no other candidates were brought forward is completely false.  

[Lyner]

That's a lot of text, will post my thoughts soon

[KevinH]

I was fine with the FS108 lynch.  He could have been scum as likely as anyone and also declared that he wasn't voting, so at the very least he was an unhelpful townie.

 

With the identities of masons to be kept secret even after death, there will be very little information in this game all the way to the end.  We just need to get lucky and lynch some scum.  Hopefully the masons can keep each other from being lynched without revealing themselves to the scum.

[Kitkat16]

Well TW seems to want to try to compete with my novel posts this round.  Bring it on!  JK, I think everyone would just ragequit the game

 

 

That being said, TW's post seems rather over the top for a minor hint of suspicion thrown his way.  Kevin brought up something to think about, and TW went overboard trying to defend himself.  Kinda odd of TW TBH to go that indepth to defend oneself when a single vote hasn't even been put on him.  Feel his vote could of been defended with a lot less.

 

I don't however feel TW is really wrong (just over the top), as TW on several occasions asked and gave FS108 an option to reply and post a response.  FS108 disappeared the last few days and that alone didn't help not get him lynched.  I don't necessarily blame people for voting for him due to this....but I don't just vote someone because they aren't active (unless it's a habitual act), and FS108 was active in last game so it's not likely it would continue throughout the whole game.  Plus as others pointed at his posts Day 1, he had similar types of posts last game, as he's very "green" in Mafia being his only second game, and he was town there.  I'm not sure why he didn't post, maybe got busy or something came up...but voting merely on activity isn't necessarily the best choice either.  

 

Out of the 5 that were on the wagon, I highly doubt there was more then a single scum on it, if any.  Very likely scum sat back and let town lynch one of their own the first day, as there's no point in being involved with the lynch of a town Day 1 if no other scum were in danger, and especially in this game where very early on most agreed we should lynch D1.  FS108 made for an easy target as well to cause a mislynch.  As I believe someone has stated already, I'd be more suspicious of the people who chimed in trying to push suspicion on FS108 yet not voting him or voting someone else.  But I wouldn't rule out a single person on FS108's wagon being scum...wouldn't surprise me if there's 1 of 3 scum on it.

There's also many ways to look at VGMmaster's kill.  My guess is it's likely due to VG being one of the most vocal people, and one that was the most trying to dissect people's posts.  Never played with VGMmaster, but from VG's D1 posts, shes was going to be a threat to scum and finding them.

 

I agree that most of the scum probably weren't on the wagon (which I know is ironic, given my post, and given that I didn't vote for him.)

[Lyner]

As some have said above, I'm pretty positive that VGM got killed last night because she's the most active one (top post count, IIRC). The fact that she was in the FS lynch wagon is a bit of interest though. Perhaps there is none, or at the very most, only one scum inside the wagon?

 

Another thing that catches my intention is how aggressive Kevin in this game, not sure what to make of it

 

 

I'm getting good vibes from TW and Rhizo

*attention

[KevinH]

Aggressive?  Aggressive?  I'LL SHOW YOU AGGRESSIVE!
 

 
Seriously, what's aggressive about throwing a few votes around when we don't know anything and can't expect to know anything.