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[onbekende]

so late, it could have been a Sanders press meeting >_>

 

 

But you won't disagree that Republicans will immediately pounce on the deficit the moment they aren't in the White House?

That's politics. Republicans have a spender in the White House right now, so they will just try to direct the spending where it benefits them most. Conservatives are not happy at all about the spending, but the alternative choice was absolutely unacceptable.

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Thing is, most if not all of the spending IS republican campaign talk: more for the military and a cut in taxes (both corporate and private). Even the "sudden" realisation that the debt will spiral out of control came with the expected "cut benefits" remarks. Once again showing just how much of a man without idea's Trump is, he is however good at usurping idea's.
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"We" as in electoral college => yes "We" as in americans => no

I said "we" because I am Tea Party, and I have been since "we" created it.

 

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Gratz? Point of party over ideology stands. Issue of a 2-party system.
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Meanwhile the DoJ is trying to bully the House into stopping its legit powers of oversight and trying to get the couple (yes couple!) counts of contempt stopped from moving forward to a vote.

The DOJ doesn't care what the House does... it's just noise, and it means nothing. Same thing when Eric Holder was held in Contempt of Congress... it was nothing. Congress plays politics... the DOJ isn't playing.

 

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Oversight is a thing, a constitutional thing even. Well some contempt votes have been held, more are coming (like that trainwreck that is the 2020 census question).

Yeah the DOJ isn't really playing, it is just Barr that seems to be doing that.
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If you need an invisible power to guide you into your daily life, so be it. But if you need it solely to not be a terrible human being, well, you actually are a terrible human being.

This makes a lot of sense to me.

 

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Which makes religious fanaticism that much more subversive, it feeds on already "crooked" people.
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From what has been shown, we don't even know why it was closed, seeing the still various ongoing investigations and lack of actual questioning of key figures

The Mueller investigation was closed because it never should have started. The entire ordeal was a political hitjob. One of those figures that have lacked questioning will be having his turn very soon. Something tells me this will not work out for Obama people.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/christopher-steele-mi6-agent-to-face-questions-on-trump-russia-dossier-qkxk5p06c

 

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Sure question him, just note that the Republican congress never really invited him, heck he even rebuked an invitation from Nunes (who also got rebuked from MI5, MI6 and GCHQ, alarm bells ringing there?). At best the Rebuplican congress tried to get the FBI to investigate him for possible lies and uncouth interactions with the media, both feld nose first cause the FBI already extensivly researched him when he came forwards with his info.

Again, it has been confirmed that FBI (counterintelligence) investigations surrounding Trump were started before the dossier was floated around, stop trying to paint it as a (false) smoking gun.

[Lysistrata]

Too bad... I thought I was getting a break from this thread.

Thing is, most if not all of the spending IS republican campaign talk: more for the military and a cut in taxes (both corporate and private). Even the "sudden" realisation that the debt will spiral out of control came with the expected "cut benefits" remarks. Once again showing just how much of a man without idea's Trump is, he is however good at usurping idea's.

Thing is... Military spending is the job of the Federal Government... "Benefits" are not the job of the Federal Government.

Gratz? Point of party over ideology stands. Issue of a 2-party system.

We have many political parties, and they all have ideologies.

Oversight is a thing, a constitutional thing even. Well some contempt votes have been held, more are coming (like that trainwreck that is the 2020 census question). Yeah the DOJ isn't really playing, it is just Barr that seems to be doing that.

They are just making noise. A congressional referral to the AG, for action against the AG... well we all know how far that will go.

There is nothing wrong with a citizenship question on our census... this qualifies as a "train wreck" in Belgium?

Which makes religious fanaticism that much more subversive, it feeds on already "crooked" people.

That's an opinion to entertain... but the freedom of religion remains.

Again, it has been confirmed that FBI (counterintelligence) investigations surrounding Trump were started before the dossier was floated around, stop trying to paint it as a (false) smoking gun.

I never said the dossier came before the counterintelligence investigation. I said the dossier was used to obtain FISA warrants.

 

The counterintelligence investigation started with Carter Page. When the Mueller Report came out, it was revealed that Carter Page has been a CIA and FBI informant for years. He had numerous Russian contacts because he was a spy for the USA. This made it very easy to move on him because he has all this contact with Russians, and it's all secret. This is why Carter Page is now suing everyone involved for destroying his cover, his career, and his life.

[onbekende]

Too bad... I thought I was getting a break from this thread.

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Why? We be having so much fun
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Thing is, most if not all of the spending IS republican campaign talk: more for the military and a cut in taxes (both corporate and private). Even the "sudden" realisation that the debt will spiral out of control came with the expected "cut benefits" remarks. Once again showing just how much of a man without idea's Trump is, he is however good at usurping idea's.

Thing is... Military spending is the job of the Federal Government... "Benefits" are not the job of the Federal Government.

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Military shouldn't have to be Federal, atleast thats what some far going "state rights" or crazy "sovereign citizen" idiots chant. >_>

Anyway, I envelop alot of stuff into "benefits", which on case-to-case basis might be looked at, but in general they do tend to be supported. Just wanting to show that the cycle will continue. Specifics can always be debated.
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Gratz? Point of party over ideology stands. Issue of a 2-party system.

We have many political parties, and they all have ideologies.

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But your system is a 2-party one. You guys aren't even like France which has a quasi 3-party system (they tend to roll up into 3 parties on national elections). Sure other parties (and there associated ideologies) are present, they can at best be called fringe parties.

Just noting that in such a system alot of voting gets turned into a "which is a the least far away from my standpoint" type deals, which inevitably keeps the 2 parties narratives narrow.
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Oversight is a thing, a constitutional thing even. Well some contempt votes have been held, more are coming (like that trainwreck that is the 2020 census question). Yeah the DOJ isn't really playing, it is just Barr that seems to be doing that.

They are just making noise. A congressional referral to the AG, for action against the AG... well we all know how far that will go.
There is nothing wrong with a citizenship question on our census... this qualifies as a "train wreck" in Belgium?

 

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Contempt of Congress doesn't go thruw AG (Barr), it goes to the AG of DC and then courts. Of the 3 types of contempt they could use, they went for civil cause the head huncho can't pardon that one >_>

The "train wreck" is the part where the basis of the question has been shown to have its origins to further gerrymander election districts. Heck asking for ones nationality is something I would't disagree with, it does however comes over bad when you do it so you can later ghettozise your districts.
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Which makes religious fanaticism that much more subversive, it feeds on already "crooked" people.

That's an opinion to entertain... but the freedom of religion remains.

 

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No issue there, just noting that giving an already morally crooked person an ideology (either religious or otherwise) is a dangerous recipe.
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Again, it has been confirmed that FBI (counterintelligence) investigations surrounding Trump were started before the dossier was floated around, stop trying to paint it as a (false) smoking gun.

I never said the dossier came before the counterintelligence investigation. I said the dossier was used to obtain FISA warrants.

The counterintelligence investigation started with Carter Page. When the Mueller Report came out, it was revealed that Carter Page has been a CIA and FBI informant for years. He had numerous Russian contacts because he was a spy for the USA. This made it very easy to move on him because he has all this contact with Russians, and it's all secret. This is why Carter Page is now suing everyone involved for destroying his cover, his career, and his life.

 

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FISA used the dossier in passing, you are going of the Nunes memo aren't ya?

You are conflating Carter Page with Stefan Halper. The second guy was "the plant", the first guy was the "cosy with Kremlin" guy. Heck Page had been FISA'd in 2014!

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Military shouldn't have to be Federal, atleast thats what some far going "state rights" or crazy "sovereign citizen" idiots chant. >_>

I don't know what you're talking about here... I'm a big fan of the 10th Amendment, but the military lives or dies by the acts of Congress. The primary responsibility of the Federal Government is to keep us safe. That's why Congress appropriates funds for the military, disaster relief, and… *cough*… border security. Trump has stepped up where Congress is failing.

FISA used the dossier in passing, you are going of the Nunes memo aren't ya?

The FBI used the dossier in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to obtain wiretap warrants against the Trump Campaign.

If you don't see anything wrong with this, then there is no hope for you.

 

Something is going to happen over what took place during the 2016 election. Either the Trump Campaign worked with the Russian Government to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming President... or the Obama Administration turned the full force and power of the State Department, the FBI, and the CIA to frame the elected President for treason.

 

What happens will be because of what people did in 2016... Democrats want to make it all about 2017. Democrats will fail.

Either we have to impeach Trump for working with a foreign government to harm Hillary Clinton, or we have to imprison all the Government officials that falsely accused the President and his campaign.

 

My money is on the Obama Administration going down... we shall see, but something has to happen, or no one will ever trust anyone.

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Mueller is gonna testify on July 17... this will blow up in their faces, and they will rue the day. The Republicans have many more unanswered questions for Bob Mueller and his team than the whining Democrats. I don't know if this will be public, or behind closed doors... I want to see this for myself. More fun to come.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/robert-mueller-agrees-to-testify-before-joint-house-panel-july-17-after-subpoena-nadler-and-schiff-announce

[onbekende]

2 weeks late o/

I dislike the heat

 

 

Military shouldn't have to be Federal, atleast thats what some far going "state rights" or crazy "sovereign citizen" idiots chant. >_>

I don't know what you're talking about here... I'm a big fan of the 10th Amendment, but the military lives or dies by the acts of Congress. The primary responsibility of the Federal Government is to keep us safe. That's why Congress appropriates funds for the military, disaster relief, and… *cough*… border security. Trump has stepped up where Congress is failing.

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Just merely noting that the delegation of powers is arbitrary for alot of stuff, maingly cause you can't account for everything up to the last accidental occurance. Even less in what are usually more broader and generalised pieces of legislation that are Constitutions.

Your border security was doing fine and dandy with diminishing "illegal" entries thruwout Obama's term, they then again rose during Trump's years (not necessary due to him solely, but he sure didn't help it). The topic of non-citizens on US soil is another thing offcourse, one where obvious party stances make for very different enforcements on the presence of such non-citizens.
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FISA used the dossier in passing, you are going of the Nunes memo aren't ya?

The FBI used the dossier in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to obtain wiretap warrants against the Trump Campaign.
If you don't see anything wrong with this, then there is no hope for you.

 

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There was no wiretap on the Trump campaign, at best just on Manafort. Heck Trump himself has already "clarified" that his allegations about that shouldn't be taken literally...
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Something is going to happen over what took place during the 2016 election. Either the Trump Campaign worked with the Russian Government to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming President... or the Obama Administration turned the full force and power of the State Department, the FBI, and the CIA to frame the elected President for treason.

What happens will be because of what people did in 2016... Democrats want to make it all about 2017. Democrats will fail.
Either we have to impeach Trump for working with a foreign government to harm Hillary Clinton, or we have to imprison all the Government officials that falsely accused the President and his campaign.

My money is on the Obama Administration going down... we shall see, but something has to happen, or no one will ever trust anyone.

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My money is on that neither happended.

 

You guys did however have a campaign more then willingly haggling and speaking to a foreign government to obtain dirt on Hillary. Couple this with found and proven massive scale disinformation and hacking directed against the Democrats and you got a smelly election result in terms of your USA's so fabled democracy standards.
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Mueller is gonna testify on July 17... this will blow up in their faces, and they will rue the day. The Republicans have many more unanswered questions for Bob Mueller and his team than the whining Democrats. I don't know if this will be public, or behind closed doors... I want to see this for myself. More fun to come.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/robert-mueller-agrees-to-testify-before-joint-house-panel-july-17-after-subpoena-nadler-and-schiff-announce

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Seems it will indeed be mostly a rehash of the report. That said, would atleast smack Trump in the face about his whole "total exoneration" spiel...

well...

one can only hope...

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There was no wiretap on the Trump campaign, at best just on Manafort. Heck Trump himself has already "clarified" that his allegations about that shouldn't be taken literally...

Wrong. They acquired a warrant on Carter Page based on Russian contacts that the FBI and CIA knew about, but nobody else did because Carter Page was an agent for the CIA and the FBI helping to locate, and expel, Russian spies from the USA. They turned on Page, and used his classified status against him to get one warrant, that enabled them to catch everyone else he ever talked to in a bogus investigation to frame the entire campaign for conspiracy.

 

Manafort was a sacrificial lamb... they brought charges on him because he lied on loan applications in the past, and evaded paying taxes, in order to pressure him into composing a bullshit case... he didn't bite. Michael Cohen did bite... but Cohen could only say what the Trump people can't prove is a lie. That's why what Cohen has to say means nothing. The Obama people went full throttle using their security clearance to unmask and reveal the identities of everyone in that web... which was everyone. They broke long standing protocols to open clearance to all US agencies to share the information. Trump walked into a minefield went he took office.

 

You guys did however have a campaign more then willingly haggling and speaking to a foreign government to obtain dirt on Hillary

Us guys actually did have a candidate that did collude with foreign agents, paid for manufactured dirt from Russia on an opposing candidate, and used it to obtain illegal warrants on that opposing candidate... her name was Hillary Clinton.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-peter-king-severe-serious-abuses-by-fbi-cia-in-russia-probe-is-going-to-come-out

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Manafort was a sacrificial lamb... they brought charges on him because he lied on loan applications in the past, and evaded paying taxes, in order to pressure him into composing a bullshit case... he didn't bite. Michael Cohen did bite... but Cohen could only say what the Trump people can't prove is a lie. That's why what Cohen has to say means nothing. The Obama people went full throttle using their security clearance to unmask and reveal the identities of everyone in that web... which was everyone. They broke long standing protocols to open clearance to all US agencies to share the information. Trump walked into a minefield went he took office.

 

 

Lets say for a moment that the Obama people did go all out and investigate the Trump campaign, since there was a lot of wrongdoing discovered aren't they justified? In my book you commit a crime you should expect to be punished. With that said there is no evidence that the Democrats did anything illegal, the only things I have see are accusations against them.

 

To be clear I do not condone illegal investigations, I am merely stating that if they weren't dirty and it was a clean campaign there would be no charges. 

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Lets say for a moment that the Obama people did go all out and investigate the Trump campaign, since there was a lot of wrongdoing discovered aren't they justified?

The way I see it right now... The Obama Administration created the appearance that the Trump Campaign was colluding with a foreign government. Not enough for prison, but enough to shave votes from Trump. They did this to have something to leak to the press before the election, but chose not to because Hillary Clinton was supposed to be a shoe-in for the win. Trump won, and no one expected that.

 

After Trump won, they had 2 and a half months to cover their crimes, and make sure that Trump was tangled up in investigations long enough to get him out of office. They believed he would be a horrible president, they had the press on their side, and the people would actually want him removed from office. That didn't happen, so it was only a matter of time before things came to the surface.

 

All that "wrongdoing" you're talking about was scripted by the CIA and the FBI.

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There was no wiretap on the Trump campaign, at best just on Manafort. Heck Trump himself has already "clarified" that his allegations about that shouldn't be taken literally...

Wrong. They acquired a warrant on Carter Page based on Russian contacts that the FBI and CIA knew about, but nobody else did because Carter Page was an agent for the CIA and the FBI helping to locate, and expel, Russian spies from the USA. They turned on Page, and used his classified status against him to get one warrant, that enabled them to catch everyone else he ever talked to in a bogus investigation to frame the entire campaign for conspiracy.

Manafort was a sacrificial lamb... they brought charges on him because he lied on loan applications in the past, and evaded paying taxes, in order to pressure him into composing a bullshit case... he didn't bite. Michael Cohen did bite... but Cohen could only say what the Trump people can't prove is a lie. That's why what Cohen has to say means nothing. The Obama people went full throttle using their security clearance to unmask and reveal the identities of everyone in that web... which was everyone. They broke long standing protocols to open clearance to all US agencies to share the information. Trump walked into a minefield went he took office.

 

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Firstly, you are still chiming about that "Carter Page is an american asset"? Only Page himself came out what that line and that AFTER his other legal defense stategies failed. Please stop mixing Carter Page with Stefan Halper.

Secondly the only reason Page walked into the Trump campaign is cause his Russian contacts knew it was the way to mess with the USA gov system. Heck the Trump campaign had to throw him out when it was found out Page was mingling with Russians on an US sanctions list. Then he was declared a nobody to the Trump campaign, him being coffee boy number whatever >_>

Thirdly, the minefield was laid by Trump and his campaign own ineptness, heck they even got warned about various people they employed (Flynn comes to mind).

Lastly, blame the PATRIOT Act for US agencies working so closely together...
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You guys did however have a campaign more then willingly haggling and speaking to a foreign government to obtain dirt on Hillary

Us guys actually did have a candidate that did collude with foreign agents, paid for manufactured dirt from Russia on an opposing candidate, and used it to obtain illegal warrants on that opposing candidate... her name was Hillary Clinton.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-peter-king-severe-serious-abuses-by-fbi-cia-in-russia-probe-is-going-to-come-out

 

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Again, Steele Dossier started with Republicans, continued under Democrats and was deemed a footnote in a FISA application as the FBI found Steele and his work credible (up to today!).
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Lets say for a moment that the Obama people did go all out and investigate the Trump campaign, since there was a lot of wrongdoing discovered aren't they justified?

The way I see it right now... The Obama Administration created the appearance that the Trump Campaign was colluding with a foreign government. Not enough for prison, but enough to shave votes from Trump. They did this to have something to leak to the press before the election, but chose not to because Hillary Clinton was supposed to be a shoe-in for the win. Trump won, and no one expected that.

After Trump won, they had 2 and a half months to cover their crimes, and make sure that Trump was tangled up in investigations long enough to get him out of office. They believed he would be a horrible president, they had the press on their side, and the people would actually want him removed from office. That didn't happen, so it was only a matter of time before things came to the surface.

All that "wrongdoing" you're talking about was scripted by the CIA and the FBI.

 

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I only see a conspiracy theory about a badly executed conspiracy. 2 fools don't make a genius. Either you are undercutting your own intelligence agencies OR envoking mystical powers towards Trump being made of teflon. Either make your entire argument look to be in bad faith.

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Please stop mixing Carter Page with Stefan Halper.

James Comey went to the FISC to get a FISA warrant on Stefan Halper? Wrong. I'm not mixing them up at all. They got a warrant on Carter Page, and then used that warrant to gather information, and transcripts, on everyone he talked to... and then everyone they talked to... and then everyone they talked to. Then the Obama Administration unmasked and revealed the identities of everyone in that web... Samantha Power, the Ambassador to the UN, unmasked over 300 by herself. Please tell me why the Ambassador of the UN has any business unmasking any American citizen? That's right... she had no business doing that.

 

Carter Page was charged with NOTHING... but they used him as a back door to the entire campaign.

Lastly, blame the PATRIOT Act for US agencies working so closely together...

Wrong. The number of intel agencies that had access to this information was always only 3. Obama opened it up to all 17 just before he left office... which proves he knew exactly what he was doing.

Again, Steele Dossier started with Republicans, continued under Democrats and was deemed a footnote in a FISA application as the FBI found Steele and his work credible (up to today!).

Wrong. There were Republicans that hired Fusion GPS to do work for them before they dropped out of the race, but it had nothing to do with the Steele Dossier. That was entirely the work of Christopher Steele, and was paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC.

I only see a conspiracy theory about a badly executed conspiracy. 2 fools don't make a genius. Either you are undercutting your own intelligence agencies OR envoking mystical powers towards Trump being made of teflon. Either make your entire argument look to be in bad faith.

It is my belief that Barack Obama charged his administration to create the appearance that the Trump campaign was working with Russians. We already know that the Trump campaign was not working with Russians. Robert Mueller delayed his testimony to Congress to the 24th. It is now my prediction that nothing new will come from this hearing. The 2 questions of importance that we still do not know are...

 

"When did you come to the conclusion that the Trump campaign was innocent of conspiracy?"

His answer will be... "When I interviewed the last witness".

 

"Why did you not investigate the origins of the investigation?"

His answer will be... "Because I wasn't asked".

 

Nothing new will come from Robert Mueller. The coming investigations, and prosecutions, will tell the true story.

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The way I see it right now... The Obama Administration created the appearance that the Trump Campaign was colluding with a foreign government. Not enough for prison, but enough to shave votes from Trump. They did this to have something to leak to the press before the election, but chose not to because Hillary Clinton was supposed to be a shoe-in for the win. Trump won, and no one expected that.   After Trump won, they had 2 and a half months to cover their crimes, and make sure that Trump was tangled up in investigations long enough to get him out of office. They believed he would be a horrible president, they had the press on their side, and the people would actually want him removed from office. That didn't happen, so it was only a matter of time before things came to the surface.   All that "wrongdoing" you're talking about was scripted by the CIA and the FBI.

 

 

So you are saying that it is more likely that the FBI and CIA got together to frame a known dirty businessman than it is that maybe just maybe Trump has broken the law and so have all his friends. 

 

Trump is super smart but doesn't want us to see his school records

Trump has great financials but doesn't want us to see his tax returns

Trump didn't collude or do any wrong doing in his election campaign but doesn't want anyone to see the full Mueller report

Trump isn't friends with Epstein but invites him to parties and hangs out with him on his free time

Trump isn't racist but tells members of congress who are part of minorities to go back to their home country (all of which are Americans lol).

Trump is honest yet lies to us every single day

Trump has nothing to hide but pays a lot in hush money

Trump is a great businessman but has yet to make a agree of consequence in office.

 

So my question is, do you honestly think Trump is fit for office or do you just not want a Democrat in office?

 

 

On a side note it looks like the economy is going into the crapper. The GOP has been supporting coal and doing tariffs but neither are working as coal is quickly dying out and China is impacted by the tariff less than we are, and as we have discussed before the US deficit is growing and reaching an all time high. Prosecution of Child-Sex Traffickers has plummeted. Toss in all the corruption in Puerto Rico and rioting. Oh and Rand Paul blocked the 9/11 Victim Funding.  I miss the days when the biggest worry was what type of mustard Obama put on his burger.

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So you are saying that it is more likely that the FBI and CIA got together to frame a known dirty businessman than it is that maybe just maybe Trump has broken the law and so have all his friends.

Obama allowed the CIA and the FBI to create a scandal against Trump in case Hillary needed it to win. It appeared to be a lock for Hillary, so they used it as an insurance policy just in case Trump won. The "dirty businessman" thing is your bias talking. There's an old saying from the head of Stalin's secret police... "Show me the man, I'll show you the crime".

Trump is super smart but doesn't want us to see his school records

I don't care myself, but have you cared to check on all those things Obama still has hidden?

Trump has great financials but doesn't want us to see his tax returns

No billionaire will release their tax returns. That's why Oprah will never run for President.

Trump didn't collude or do any wrong doing in his election campaign but doesn't want anyone to see the full Mueller report

Trump has nothing to do with it. Everything that can be legally released has been released.

Trump isn't friends with Epstein but invites him to parties and hangs out with him on his free time

The party you're talking about was in 1992. All the billionaires in Palm Beach were there.

I think you're confusing Donald Trump with Billy Clinton.

Trump isn't racist but tells members of congress who are part of minorities to go back to their home country (all of which are Americans lol).

I agree with Trump... if you hate the USA, then get out. He said nothing about their race. Ilhan Omar is from Somalia and she can bleep the bleepin bleep right outta the bleepin bleep... I would pay for a one way ticket for her to return home. The "Squad" will drive the Democrat candidates too far left, and I can't see anyone that can beat Trump yet.

Trump is honest yet lies to us every single day

That's your bias showing again. All politicians talk their own version of the truth. It would help if you learned how to interpret.

Trump has nothing to hide but pays a lot in hush money

All billionaires do. Again you believe Trump is the only one.

Trump is a great businessman but has yet to make a agree of consequence in office.

I really don't know what you said here.

So my question is, do you honestly think Trump is fit for office or do you just not want a Democrat in office?

I voted for Trump in 2016 because the alternative was Hillary Clinton. I didn't know if Trump would be a good president or not. He has proved quite capable of doing the job, and not only that, he has done it under the worst possible conditions. I will have nothing but enthusiasm to strongly vote for him once again in 2020... but Nevada is a blue state so it really won't do any good.

On a side note it looks like the economy is going into the crapper.

Well I can't predict the future, but I think your bias is talking again. Dow is over 27,000... it's never been better.

Oh and Rand Paul blocked the 9/11 Victim Funding.

Rand Paul is questioning why we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York... oh that's right... we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York because Jon Stewart says we should. Kudos to Rand Paul.

I miss the days when the biggest worry was what type of mustard Obama put on his burger.

Obama is a Democrat... he would use mayonnaise.

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Please stop mixing Carter Page with Stefan Halper.

James Comey went to the FISC to get a FISA warrant on Stefan Halper? Wrong. I'm not mixing them up at all. They got a warrant on Carter Page, and then used that warrant to gather information, and transcripts, on everyone he talked to... and then everyone they talked to... and then everyone they talked to. Then the Obama Administration unmasked and revealed the identities of everyone in that web... Samantha Power, the Ambassador to the UN, unmasked over 300 by herself. Please tell me why the Ambassador of the UN has any business unmasking any American citizen? That's right... she had no business doing that.

Carter Page was charged with NOTHING... but they used him as a back door to the entire campaign.

 

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You were claiming that Varter Page was a FBI/CIA/... agent, a claim he is using as his defence in his trials. This claim has not been founded in truth and as such I noted which the actual "mole" was.

As for Power, Nunes tried to stick that claim on her but failed to produce any evidence, thou offcourse I doubt the FBI/CIA would just stroll in and state either side of the story. Thou once again I think you are following a gobbled together story, it so happens that Susan Rice (former UN ambassador to UN) in her capacity as National Security Advisor indeed did ask for some unmasking, some even specific related to the Trump campaign. Would be part of the still secret and ongoing counter-intelligence investigation around the Trump campaign (unrelated to Mueller thus).
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Again, Steele Dossier started with Republicans, continued under Democrats and was deemed a footnote in a FISA application as the FBI found Steele and his work credible (up to today!).

Wrong. There were Republicans that hired Fusion GPS to do work for them before they dropped out of the race, but it had nothing to do with the Steele Dossier. That was entirely the work of Christopher Steele, and was paid for by Hillary Clinton and the DNC.

 

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Fusion GPS hired Steele, as such neither Republicans nor Democrats knew who the dossier would come from. And here I thought getting dirt on your political opponent was strategy #1 for the GOP...
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I only see a conspiracy theory about a badly executed conspiracy. 2 fools don't make a genius. Either you are undercutting your own intelligence agencies OR envoking mystical powers towards Trump being made of teflon. Either make your entire argument look to be in bad faith.

It is my belief that Barack Obama charged his administration to create the appearance that the Trump campaign was working with Russians. We already know that the Trump campaign was not working with Russians. Robert Mueller delayed his testimony to Congress to the 24th. It is now my prediction that nothing new will come from this hearing. The 2 questions of importance that we still do not know are...

"When did you come to the conclusion that the Trump campaign was innocent of conspiracy?"
His answer will be... "When I interviewed the last witness".

"Why did you not investigate the origins of the investigation?"
His answer will be... "Because I wasn't asked".

Nothing new will come from Robert Mueller. The coming investigations, and prosecutions, will tell the true story.

 

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Again, a nice theory for now, a conspiracy theory to some.

Mueller testimony got delayed so they got more hours with him, perhaps you would like more questions pointed to him no?

Q #1: no such remark or statement has originated from either Mueller, his team or the report. Remarks that were included were about obstructions towards his investigations. Lets also not forget that as a loyal civil servant he followed the DOJ memo stating that no sitting president could be indicted, henc he specifically made references to Congress needing to step up and proceed with his (and other investigations) findings. Thusfar Trump already has 2 indictments put in the freezer cause of this memo: obstruction of justice and violations in campaign finances.

Q #2: he wasn't asked alot of stuff that could have been used to widen his scope, for one Trumps actual financial position nor were his personal belongings ever collected to either prove of disporve the allegations.

 

Trump is super smart but doesn't want us to see his school records

I don't care myself, but have you cared to check on all those things Obama still has hidden?

 

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So smart.
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Trump didn't collude or do any wrong doing in his election campaign but doesn't want anyone to see the full Mueller report

Trump has nothing to do with it. Everything that can be legally released has been released.

 

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Thats nice phrasing you used there, now why would all the rest not be released then? >_>

And heck, we already established that even of the released stuff most isn't read or understood by the majority of the people and the ones that do are misinterpreting it greatly (on both sides!)
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Trump isn't friends with Epstein but invites him to parties and hangs out with him on his free time

The party you're talking about was in 1992. All the billionaires in Palm Beach were there.
I think you're confusing Donald Trump with Billy Clinton.

 

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Indict them both for all I care. It is just that 1 of those names has more shady and unethical dealings with minors then the other. Offcourse private stuff is still unknown.
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Trump isn't racist but tells members of congress who are part of minorities to go back to their home country (all of which are Americans lol).

I agree with Trump... if you hate the USA, then get out. He said nothing about their race. Ilhan Omar is from Somalia and she can bleep the bleepin bleep right outta the bleepin bleep... I would pay for a one way ticket for her to return home. The "Squad" will drive the Democrat candidates too far left, and I can't see anyone that can beat Trump yet.

 

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They don't "hate" the USA, heck they probably dislike it less then what the Republicans felt under Obama and I doubt that "go back to X" was chanted during Obama's rather sparse rallies during his tenure.

He singled out specificaly 4 woman of non-white ethnicity. Heck if he even just thruw Sanders into the mix it would have been that much easier to disavow any racial prejudice. But now you got a POTUS who is stating lines that would have any federal employ under strict scrutiny with punishments up to termination.

Also, lol "left", you guys don't even cross over the neutral zone. Unless it is to help farmers due to your tariff war, that aint socialist, no sir >_>
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Trump is honest yet lies to us every single day

That's your bias showing again. All politicians talk their own version of the truth. It would help if you learned how to interpret.

 

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Alternative facts hé? Well atleast you admit "PC" is a thing and you don't mind Trump employing it, thanks!
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Trump is a great businessman but has yet to make a agree of consequence in office.

I really don't know what you said here.

 

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Thusfar no "new" or "improved" real treaty has been established by Trump. At best he muddled somewhat in the sidelines of NAFTA (which he had what we call a "flashing light" relation, with its ON/OFF status ) and thats about it, meanwhile he did scrap a ton of other stuff, with nothing to replace it (hello ACA replacement??? Anyone??? HELLO!!!! HELLOOOOOOOOOO??????).
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So my question is, do you honestly think Trump is fit for office or do you just not want a Democrat in office?

I voted for Trump in 2016 because the alternative was Hillary Clinton. I didn't know if Trump would be a good president or not. He has proved quite capable of doing the job, and not only that, he has done it under the worst possible conditions. I will have nothing but enthusiasm to strongly vote for him once again in 2020... but Nevada is a blue state so it really won't do any good.

 

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Get a third or fourth or ... party for fucks sake, if your vote is an "I dislike this one the least", you are doing it wrong!

What "worst conditions"? GOP has the trifecta the first 2y and besides breaking stuff did diddely squad (sp? ).
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On a side note it looks like the economy is going into the crapper.

Well I can't predict the future, but I think your bias is talking again. Dow is over 27,000... it's never been better.

 

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Interests are at all time low and deficit is skyrocketing. Wages haven't so much budged in line with GDP growth nor has average family cash reserves.
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Oh and Rand Paul blocked the 9/11 Victim Funding.

Rand Paul is questioning why we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York... oh that's right... we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York because Jon Stewart says we should. Kudos to Rand Paul.

 

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GOP official disalowed from mentioning 9/11 from this day forward. Sounds like your entire VA debacle.
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I miss the days when the biggest worry was what type of mustard Obama put on his burger.

Obama is a Democrat... he would use mayonnaise.

 

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And here I thought there was outrage when he wanted Dijon mustard, or as Fox News stated it "fancy mustard".

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You were claiming that Varter Page was a FBI/CIA/... agent, a claim he is using as his defence in his trials.

Carter Page has not been charged with anything.

Nunes tried to stick that claim on her but failed to produce any evidence

Oh I see... a sitting Congressman is lying about a former Ambassador to the United Nations. That makes a lot of sense.

Thats nice phrasing you used there, now why would all the rest not be released then?

To protect the innocent, Grand Jury testimony cannot be released to the public.

they probably dislike it less then what the Republicans felt under Obama

Excuse me? I'm a Republican, and I felt a lot when Obama was President. I have never burned a flag, trashed a monument, spit on a cop, raised a weapon at any official, protested a military action, disrespected the national anthem, denied anyone their freedom of speech, vandalized property or beat someone up because of their hat... hell, I even force the poll workers to look at my identification when I vote. Don't tell me they don't hate the USA... I'm on the ground here in the USA, and I see it with my own eyes.

He singled out specificaly 4 woman of non-white ethnicity.

They singled themselves out... they call themselves "The Squad". They believe the color of their skin will shield them from criticism... they're wrong.

Get a third or fourth or ... party for fucks sake

We have many parties... Green, Reform, Constitution, Libertarian, and many others. Voting for them means nothing.

What "worst conditions"? GOP has the trifecta the first 2y and besides breaking stuff did diddely squad

Under a bogus investigation, relentless harassment, and 90% negative media coverage. Still presiding over the strongest economy ever, and we got two new Supremes so far... patiently waiting for the notorious RBG to cash in. Life is really good right now.

Interests are at all time low

Wrong. The Federal Reserve locked rates at zero for all 8 years of Obama... because the economy sucked.

and deficit is skyrocketing

Because spending has increased, and nothing has been cut. Stupid Democrats spend first and then go hunting for scalps. They can't get it through their thick skulls that it's not their money.

 

Kind of strange that the Belgian is answering once again for DarkFox… but I'm an equal opportunity debater. We should start a new thread to talk Democrat debates and election buzz. I'm waiting for the other investigations to finish up. I think my positions are already known about what I believe, and it feels I'm just repeating myself now. I'll say it again... we shall see.

[DarkFox]

I don't care myself, but have you cared to check on all those things Obama still has hidden?

 

 

What things? The major complaint people had was the birth certificate which he released.

 

 

 

Obama allowed the CIA and the FBI to create a scandal against Trump in case Hillary needed it to win. It appeared to be a lock for Hillary, so they used it as an insurance policy just in case Trump won. The "dirty businessman" thing is your bias talking. There's an old saying from the head of Stalin's secret police... "Show me the man, I'll show you the crime".

 

 

Obama was neither the head of the Cia or the FBI, also if you want to make comparisons between Soviet Russia and Obama I would like to remind you Trump tried state ran media and he has his own secret police in the form of ICE.

 

 

 

No billionaire will release their tax returns. That's why Oprah will never run for President.

 

They wouldn't be billionaires if they did haha, but the thing is I expect more from our President than promising to release them and then not. We all know whats on their and it is only bad for him to release it.

 

 

 

Trump has nothing to do with it. Everything that can be legally released has been released.

 

 

The people underneath him did wrong doings on the campaign. If someone I am paying does illegal stuff for my business then I am liable, that's just how it works.

 

 

 

That's your bias showing again. All politicians talk their own version of the truth. It would help if you learned how to interpret.

 

 

That isn't bias though, he does in fact lie every day. I can pull up many examples and they aren't even silly politician half lies. He literally says the opposite of something happened right after he said it happened this way. 

 

 

 

The party you're talking about was in 1992. All the billionaires in Palm Beach were there. I think you're confusing Donald Trump with Billy Clinton.

 

 

No, they are all friends and I would be pretty happy to see all those sexual predators in jail.

 

 

 

I agree with Trump... if you hate the USA, then get out. He said nothing about their race. Ilhan Omar is from Somalia and she can bleep the bleepin bleep right outta the bleepin bleep... I would pay for a one way ticket for her to return home. The "Squad" will drive the Democrat candidates too far left, and I can't see anyone that can beat Trump yet.

 

 

I believe you missed the impact of saying "go back to your home country" has on someone of a different race solely because you aren't racist. I have a friend who's family came from Armenia and he was told to go back to his home country growing up because of his name and curly hair. The only way the statement could have been more racist is if they added in a derogatory word.

 

As for Omar she has been in the USA for 24 years which is 2/3s of her life. Her birth country is nothing like it was when she was there and by every definition this is her own country, unless the American dream is all a lie. As for "The Squad" (what a stupid name) the rest were born here and Trump told them to return to their own countries, what a disgrace. I might add during Obama's Admin Trump did nothing but say the America sucked and that he hated it, yet he himself never left. 

 

 

 

I really don't know what you said here.

 

 

What has he accomplished. Here's a list of promises he made that I found, wanna see how many he accomplished?

 

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I will build a wall across the Mexican border. (nope)

 

I will include a citizenship question on the 2020 Census. (nope)

 

I will order ICE to begin raids after July 4th that will deport millions of illegal aliens. (nope)

 

I will overturn Obamacare on day 1 of my presidency. (nope)

 

I will make sure no one in America loses coverage. (nope)

 

I will provide a health insurance plan that covers everybody. (nope)

 

I will do away with lines, and let insurance companies sell anywhere. (nope)

 

I will introduce a ban on federal employees lobbying the government for five years. (nope)

 

I will ban members of Congress lobbying for five years. (nope)

 

I will bring campaign finance reform limiting what foreign companies can raise for American political candidates. (nope)

 

I will ban all Muslims from entering the US. (nope)

 

I will send in the feds to “fix the horrible carnage going on” in Chicago. (nope)

 

I will appoint Jared Kushner to work to bring an end to the opioid crisis. (nope)

 

I will create a Space Force. (nope)

 

I will negotiate a nuclear free Korean peninsula. (nope)

 

I will put a 25% tariff on all Chinese imports. (nope)

 

I will get Mexico and Canada to agree to a new trade pact. (nope)

 

I will negotiate a new Mideast peace plan. (nope)

 

I will prevent Huewei from doing business in the United States. (nope)

 

I will deport more illegals than Obama ever did. (nope)

 

I will stop Iran from enriching uranium. (nope)

 

I will label China a currency manipulator. (nope)

 

I will order the Justice Dept to reopen the investigation of Hillary Clinton. (nope)

 

I will balance the federal budget 'fairly quickly'. (nope)

 

I will push for a constitutional amendment to impose term limits on all members of Congress. (nope)

 

I will bring back waterboarding. (nope)

 

I will establish a commission on radical Islam. (nope)

 

I will allow individuals to deduct health insurance payments from their taxes. (nope)

 

I will lower drug costs by making drug companies list prices in ads. (nope)

 

I will lower drug costs by cracking down on fake drug rebates. (nope)

 

I will repeal the alternative minimum tax. (nope)

 

I will cancel all funding for sanctuary cities. (nope)

 

I will release my tax returns as soon as the audit is finished. (nope)

 

I will restore faith in government and get rid of the rigged system that rewards the wealthy and well-connected at the expense of the common man. (nope)

 

 

I voted for Trump in 2016 because the alternative was Hillary Clinton. I didn't know if Trump would be a good president or not. He has proved quite capable of doing the job, and not only that, he has done it under the worst possible conditions. I will have nothing but enthusiasm to strongly vote for him once again in 2020... but Nevada is a blue state so it really won't do any good.

 

Has he proven capable though? Can you list the good things he has done that weren't temporary? Every time I see something that I think good job with ends up failing. 

 

 

Obama is a Democrat... he would use mayonnaise.

I hate mayonnaise on a burger. Feels like something a filthy Communist would use. But seriously Sean Hannity spent like a week complaining about Obama using Dijon mustard on a burger.

 

 

 

Rand Paul is questioning why we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York... oh that's right... we have to spend 70 billion dollars for anyone who dies in New York because Jon Stewart says we should. Kudos to Rand Paul.

 

 The money wasn't just for anyone who dies in New York but first responders that have health complications due to the 9/11 attacks. We can spend millions caging kids in cages but we can't take care of firefighters who are dying from a literal attack on America, cool priorities.

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What things? The major complaint people had was the birth certificate which he released.

Obama has never released... Occidental College Records, Columbia College Records, Columbia Thesis Paper, Harvard College Records, Selective Service Registration, Medical Records, Illinois State Senate Schedule, Illinois State Senate Records, Law Practice Client List, Certified Copy of Original Birth Certificate, Signed Embossed Paper Certification of Live Birth, Baptism Records... and more that I can't think of.

 

I have never believed that Obama is not an American Citizen, like many others. His Mother was born in Kansas, and that alone makes him an American to me. The birth certificate that they released after Trump hammered him so hard was a fake. It was a seven layer Photoshop document... and I know this because I saw it myself when it first hit the press. I believe he never wanted the original released because it probably showed his religion as Islam... I do not know that as factual... just the most logical explanation.

Obama was neither the head of the Cia or the FBI

Dude... Obama was the President of the United States. He was head of everything, and no way would they do these things without his knowledge and consent. Joe Biden will soon be hammered about it as well... because he knew it too.

also if you want to make comparisons between Soviet Russia and Obama

I was not comparing... I was quoting. I could not in good conscience use a quote like that without giving proper credit.

he has his own secret police in the form of ICE

Either you're joking, or you're an idiot... I believe you're joking.

We all know whats on their and it is only bad for him to release it.

I agree. Making lots of money and using every loophole possible to pay the least amount of tax. You're stupid if you don't.

The people underneath him did wrong doings on the campaign. If someone I am paying does illegal stuff for my business then I am liable, that's just how it works.

Michael Cohen pled guilty to a campaign finance violation as a plea deal... that doesn't mean there was any violation whatsoever. Anyone can plead guilty of anything to avoid a more serious charge. I once pled guilty to a parking violation to avoid a speeding violation... I was not parked when I was pulled over for going 95 in a 65. Cohen was facing many years for Taxi Medallions. He took a deal, which included dropped charges and his cooperation by talking garbage about the President. That's it.

That isn't bias though, he does in fact lie every day. I can pull up many examples and they aren't even silly politician half lies. He literally says the opposite of something happened right after he said it happened this way.

So my guess is... you will not be voting for Trump in 2020?

No, they are all friends and I would be pretty happy to see all those sexual predators in jail.

We will all have to settle for Jeffrey Epstein.

I believe you missed the impact of saying "go back to your home country"

I believe you missed the impact of the entire event. AOC had essentially called Nancy Pelosi a racist. This caused quite a bit of craziness in the House. If Trump left it alone, and let it play out, Nancy would have quarantined "The Squad", and buried them in obscurity. Trump didn't want Nancy to be able to do that. He elevated "The Squad" to the headlines, and forced the House Democrats to embrace, and defend, the most hated, and stupidest, members of the House. Now they own them for the duration, and they have to defend every moronic thing they say. The only thing that happens to Trump is he gets called a racist. Wow... that's news.

What has he accomplished.

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh alone are worth the price of admission. He's not done yet.

Can you list the good things he has done that weren't temporary?

See previous posts. Don't you get sick of repeating yourself? The President can only sign into law what Congress delivers to his desk. Executive Orders will only last as long as that President holds office... unless you're a Democrat, then you use the courts to force the belief that Obama executive orders are permanent. They're not. Everything is temporary... because new people come in and change what was done before. Even Presidents are temporary. The Constitution can be amended.

I hate mayonnaise on a burger.

I hate mayonnaise period... I was joking. I would say Democrats drink Pepsi too.

The money wasn't just for anyone who dies in New York but first responders that have health complications due to the 9/11 attacks.

You may think that, but once that money is earmarked, it can go everywhere, and there's no way to stop it.

We can spend millions caging kids in cages

You mean those cages that Obama built and used himself? Of course... Trump was the first and only one. A few thousand dollars spent on ammunition would be the cheapest, and most effective way to end the problem... but we have to be suckers.

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Okay gang... this is an amazing read. James Comey is in a hot tub full of shit up to his ears. He was furiously attempting to frame Trump from the beginning, when he had no cause, and no evidence. He was lying to Trump from the very start... and the entire Obama horde is all part of it. This is gonna be a whole lotta fun... Horowitz report is now due out early September. Enjoy this.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/07/22/comey_under_scrutiny_for_own_inquiry_and_misleading_trump_119584.html

 

Also, to put something to bed once and for all, I'll post this small piece.

I don't want to see one more word about Republicans and the Steele Dossier.

 

What remains unclear is why Comey would take such extraordinary steps against a sitting president. The Mueller report concluded there was no basis for the Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy theories. Comey himself was an early skeptic of the Steele dossier -- the opposition research memos paid for by Hillary Clinton’s campaign that were the road map of collusion theories – which he dismissed as “salacious and unverified.”

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I just finished watching the entire Mueller testimony... and my face feels like it's full of novocaine.

 

A total embarrassment for Democrats. Key takeaway is Robert Mueller did not write his own report. He fumbled all the way through, utterly failed to roleplay intelligence, while not saying anything of value.

 

I expect to see a new bumper sticker on the market soon... "It's not in my purview".

 

Michael Horowitz and John Durham are gonna blow their faces off.

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de... Obama was the President of the United States. He was head of everything, and no way would they do these things without his knowledge and consent. Joe Biden will soon be hammered about it as well... because he knew it too.

 

 

By that logic Trump should have full control of the FBI during almost the entirety of the investigation and would be responsible for it.

 

Either you're joking, or you're an idiot... I believe you're joking.

 

 

Joking but in a black humor sort of way, ICE is acting illegally with the support of the President and the current admin. There are a dozen examples of American born citizens who never left the country that are in ICE detention facilities despite family providing birth certificates and other identification proving citizenship, and spoiler alert they are not white.

 

Michael Cohen pled guilty to a campaign finance violation as a plea deal... that doesn't mean there was any violation whatsoever. Anyone can plead guilty of anything to avoid a more serious charge. I once pled guilty to a parking violation to avoid a speeding violation... I was not parked when I was pulled over for going 95 in a 65. Cohen was facing many years for Taxi Medallions. He took a deal, which included dropped charges and his cooperation by talking garbage about the President. That's it.

 

I can see your logic here since you believe this is all a frame job, while I agree that Cohen cant be trusted in any regard there is a lot of other people and evidence that there has been tremendous wrong doing by the Trump campaign, Manafort being another example.

 

 

Obama has never released... Occidental College Records, Columbia College Records, Columbia Thesis Paper, Harvard College Records, Selective Service Registration, Medical Records, Illinois State Senate Schedule, Illinois State Senate Records, Law Practice Client List, Certified Copy of Original Birth Certificate, Signed Embossed Paper Certification of Live Birth, Baptism Records... and more that I can't think of.  

 

 Selective service I can see but any of those really matter? Also the birth certificate was checked by both the Democrats and Republicans and deemed authentic, I believe only Trump continued saying it wasn't real.

 

So my guess is... you will not be voting for Trump in 2020?

 

Unless he makes a huge turn around and starts delivering on his promises and stops repealing everything that Obama had a hand in just because he doesn't like him, no.  

 

We will all have to settle for Jeffrey Epstein.

 

 

Seriously fuck that guy.

 

I believe you missed the impact of the entire event. AOC had essentially called Nancy Pelosi a racist. This caused quite a bit of craziness in the House. If Trump left it alone, and let it play out, Nancy would have quarantined "The Squad", and buried them in obscurity. Trump didn't want Nancy to be able to do that. He elevated "The Squad" to the headlines, and forced the House Democrats to embrace, and defend, the most hated, and stupidest, members of the House. Now they own them for the duration, and they have to defend every moronic thing they say. The only thing that happens to Trump is he gets called a racist. Wow... that's news.

 

 

A racist statement usually gets you called a racist. Even if it was a political ploy, which it probably was, his tactics from day one was keep causing outrage so he can run from it. Look at the Iran stuff lately, it isn't in the news because he made a blatant racist remark. Same with the detainment centers on the border.

 

Gorsuch and Kavanaugh alone are worth the price of admission. He's not done yet.

 

 

Ahh I have a feeling that is the real reason why you support our bumbling asshole of a president.

 

 

See previous posts. Don't you get sick of repeating yourself? The President can only sign into law what Congress delivers to his desk. Executive Orders will only last as long as that President holds office... unless you're a Democrat, then you use the courts to force the belief that Obama executive orders are permanent. They're not. Everything is temporary... because new people come in and change what was done before. Even Presidents are temporary. The Constitution can be amended.

 

Republicans had full control until recently, and they still control the Senate. Saying his hands are tied is like me saying I cant make toast despite having a toaster, electricity and bread.

Now they are just missing the electricity but could totally get stuff passed through compromise which the GOP is less likely to do, mainly because they control the senate

 

 

I hate mayonnaise period... I was joking. I would say Democrats drink Pepsi too.

 

 

I don't like mayonnaise either, its just way too heavy. Pepsi same boat, but too sugary.

 

You may think that, but once that money is earmarked, it can go everywhere, and there's no way to stop it.

 

 

They need to have a prevention in the bill if that is the case, I haven't read it in detail but from what I have seen it only goes to the first responders and is a continuation, so if that is the case we would have already seen it. 

 

You mean those cages that Obama built and used himself? Of course... Trump was the first and only one. A few thousand dollars spent on ammunition would be the cheapest, and most effective way to end the problem... but we have to be suckers.

 

Obama did it but Trump made it Yuuuugggeee. If you look at the numbers its a tremendous difference and the care to the prisoners is less despite the costs going up. There needs to be some fiscal responsibility and the people we detain need to be treated better. I don't know about you but even with my little experience in the field I bet I could detain those people at half the cost and still provide humane conditions. Honestly the whole thing disgusts me and I worry that it sets a negative precedent that sends us down a slippery slope. I don't want to see America commit another genocide or copy Germany and the Holocaust.

 

I just finished watching the entire Mueller testimony... and my face feels like it's full of novocaine.   A total embarrassment for Democrats. Key takeaway is Robert Mueller did not write his own report. He fumbled all the way through, utterly failed to roleplay intelligence, while not saying anything of value.   I expect to see a new bumper sticker on the market soon... "It's not in my purview".   Michael Horowitz and John Durham are gonna blow their faces off.

 

 

Dude, I love that we can watch the same thing and have different opinions on it. I thought the GOP was a bit of a joke acting like defense lawyers instead of doing their jobs again, and the Democrats were basically just saying "HEY THIS WAS IN THE REPORT, RIGHT? and Mueller is like "Yes it is." 

 

For anyone who read the report nothing in here is new, and that is really disappointing considering we know the Democrats wont do anything with this information because they didn't do anything last time and the GOP wont do anything because they like having Trump in office and Russian aid. What I want to know is the Democrat game plan is.