Imran Ehsan

These are first two posts that made me look at you twice. You say ABT looks scummy. But then you say his other posts are really good. Neither here nor there. He is either scummy or he is not. One cant be scummy with some of his points and not be scummy with his other posts. I dont get it. Also that reason of a mislynch hurting the town. Hello Mr. Obvious. Every one knows that. Its almost impossible to avoid mislynches is a mafia game. Whats more important is what info we got from the mislynch that we can use later on. Mislynches become really bad in a LYLO situation, never on Day 1 or Day 2. I get the feeling you are trying too hard to act like what you think a normal townie will act like. That may be a nice strategy for us,I think. Cop is the most important role and should be protected at all costs, but the jail will hinder his ability too, making him useless. I agree that he should come out with his results as soon he identifies someone as scum because of two reasons: A) He may die the next night, with his knowledge There's arole changer (or something ) on mafia's side and hemay change the result. Hence all accused by the cop should get a chance to explain themselves too, and that isn't possible if there's no time You are only stating obvious things. Not trying to contribute to the discussion or throw out new ideas that may help the town. Again I get the feeling that you are just posting just for the sake of posting.

Man. You keep on making these scummy posts. I will explain why I am finding your posts scummy. You are on the fence with every thing. You say you don't support a lynch on D1 and then you go on to say threatening a lynch is actually good because there is more evidence. You are trying to play it too safe. I am gonna go dig through your earlier posts and see if you have been doing this from the beginning.

Think of it as working on the assumption that the worst case scenario will prevail..that is the cop will get killed on N1. The town wins only through lynching. The decision on who to lynch comes purely from analysis of posts by different players and wagons that are created when someone is being lynched. If no one is being lynched and everyone votes No Lynch on D1 thats just criminal. We then have basically 0 info from Day 1 on which to based D2 lynch on. The best scenario is someone gets lynched. 2 things. When someone is about to get lynched they put up a vehement defense (if they are not inactive). If they are scum it becomes easy to find flaws in their defense and look closely at those trying to move the discussion away from said lynnch. If its a townie, we still can be swayed by his defense and it actually is good for the game because we know he is probably town by his defense, and it makes the job of the cop easier on who to target in the night based on the discussions and who was really pushing for the lynch or who were trying to bandwagon in on the lynch. Secondly, with a lynch (even if it was a mislynch) we gain valuable info that can be used on D2. The second best scenario is there are a couple of lynch wagons on D1 but no one gets lynched in the end. This is good as well because we can see who was taking whose side but at the end less useful because we dont know if actually a scum was being wagoned on or a townie. Think of the cop or other power roles as bonus info. If we get good info from them..really great. But we work on the assumption that the cop will get killed at night. This decreases the over-reliance of the town on the cop and makes it easy for the scum, because they just go with the flow of "No Lynch" and try to kill off the cop at night. Nothing is worse than a game where no one posts anything or no one is getting accused of being scum. Scum hunting is not possible in those cases and the town will lose 9 times out of 10. So to summarise: Start lynching early and start getting reads on people. People wont post much (specially scum) if they are not being voted on. Push peoples buttons and see how they react. Now, who to lynch on D1. We have 0 info to go on from this game. So we may push the lurkers to post more. This can be done by (i) voting for them and threatening them with lynches or (ii) use info from past games to decide lynch target or (iii )be very practical and lynch the noobs rookies. (i) Self explanatory. (ii) ABT has already brought up the example of Rafay who can be a good lynch for D1. My example is iSoacialism who has already started lurking and normally lurks throughout the game and normally gets manipulated and comes out to vote anti-town even if he is town. (iii) This probably should not be followed if we are trying to get more people to play the game but looking at it very practically they are not helpful for the town, gets manipulated by scum easily and will never be targetted by scum. Of course some rookies are very good from the Go and they should not be lynched. A few posts from them and a few votes on them will reveal what kind of player they are.

I am in BK too hilowe (different name) and I agree. No MI6 reference anywhere. They are a mass recruiting alliance like IRON as well so a lot of new nations from all over the place. I see Rafay joined them as well... and DVD ( <_< ) so yeah..lot of diversity. Regarding NPO. Arent you guys taxing like 100%. That means every money and resource you make is taken by the Government. and then follow the same exact script to build the nation that is given to all nations. not my cup of tea.

Things will be the same on D2. Probability of lynching a power role on D2 will actually be higher as there will be one less town. With your logic town should not be lynching at all, but just wit around in the hope that cop turns up something.

^ Completely disagree. This is exactly the type of game where we should be lynching from D1. Town has only 4 power actions. That means town should not be reliant on power roles if they want to win this game. They really have to scum hunt based on info gained during the day (as opposed to power action results from night). And that can only happen when a lynching takes place. There are wagons to analyze, there are defenses posted and people taking sides. These are all valuable info that can be used to filter out the scum. No lynch is a really bad idea specially for this setup. So you think we should have been lynching if there were more power roles? In role madness games? In this game we have a much less probability of hitting a power role compared to other games. So this means we should be lynching. You havent looked to scummy to me until this point, but your last post is pretty scum worthy.

Unvote Vote: iSocialism His play style is worse than Rafay. Lurking throughout the game and making no effort to help town. See last game he played (Roberts).

Well it was definitely more than 12 hrs if not 2 days. He was stabbed at night. Davos finds his body (probably early morning) and barricades himself in a room. Thorne gives them until sundown to surrender. Wildlings arrive and take over. More talk and blah bla. Finally melisandre decides to use her magic on him. So if not 2 days he was dead for at least a day and half. He probably didnt rot because of the low temperature, plus the show ignores such minor things. In the book, I wont be surprised if Melisandre revives him a lot faster than they showed in the show.

Jon Snow was dead for a couple days and became alive again with 0 negative effects. And no one batted an eye about that. Compared to that Dany not being hit by falling debris is peanuts. You cant apply physical laws to a show which is based on magic.

I like Mandarijn's idea. With everyone posting there scum/town predictions it will be extremely hard for the scum to pinpoint in on the real cop. Some people may get things right even by random guessing. So its not like only the cop will have correct predictions. The scum wont know for sure who is just guessing and who has actual info. The results will only be for 2 nights (assuming the cop comes out on the 3rd day) so the scum wont have enough of a sample size to weed out the guesses from the correct info. I think this is a very good insurance policy for the town in that the night results from the cop will not get lost even if he gets killed before revealing them.

Agreed that the Lannisters will swoop upon both after they fight amongst each other and weaken themselves. Things between the religious zealots and the Tyrell soldiers will be more balanced because the fight will be inside the city not in open lands where the superior number and training of soldiers will give them the advantage. Inside the city, they had ample time set up traps around the Sept where the Tyrells superior numbers wont count for much if the Sparrows hold all the fortified strong positions.

Fan theories out there has it that the Sparrow has laid a trap for the Tyrell soldiers.

Agreed with points 1 and 2. I think in the books it's mentioned somewhere that Hodor became Hodor after an accident involving horses.

OMGUS For the noobs rookies. Yep.

This is true. He probably should have left it vague as to how TheDoom was killed. Also the "red splash" left by Red X. That was pretty good for the town as well to lynch Rhizo. By the time Robert came and tried to dismiss it as flavor, the damage was already done and Rhizo was already suspicious in most people's eyes.

^ Agreed. Even if he doesnt find scum he can also give us confirmed townies which will be almost as good on D3 provided they are still alive.

What you kill me man? You realise I'm a noob on my second game He didnt know that. He thought you were one of the most experienced players. He mentioned that as a reason for "investigating" you. That would defeat the purpose, wouldn't it? Well normally Mods reveal the full role of anyone killed in the game. That would have been a balance for his really powerful role. Get lynched and things get easy for town. Dont get lynched and no one one can confirm you as scum with any night action. So should have been revealed imo. Anyway he messed up with his commuter claim.

He had a really powerful role. He probably could have won the game for the scum if not for that commuter claim...

A ninja Godfather. The mod should have mentioned that. would have made things much easier on the last day.

Weird. So who killed COD? Did Rafay give false results again? LOL

Fermions posts are scummy. Just sayin'.

So you had the ninja ability right?

Who did you protect on N1? I am curious to know why the scum kill failed on N1 and who they targetted.