Kitkat16

I don't have time irl to defend myself properly right now. But if you want to lynch me, go right ahead. It won't do any good. I'm VT, the mafia will kill someone again overnight, and you'll find yourself no better off than you are now in the morning. Believe me or don't. I just have other things (as in, a LOT of other things) on my mind right now. (I'm barely able to juggle everything irl, let alone this.) It doesn't really matter if you lynch me because it's just one more townie dead.. if this were likely to influence the outcome of the game more, I'd be more inclined to try and find the time to defend myself, but I really don't have /any/ time.

I have an assignment due tomorrow, and don't have time for a proper reply at the moment. But my answer is: not me! Lynching someone whom Rhizo himself said was probably not scum simply because you don't have any better ideas is an absolute waste of time. I can assure you that all you will end up doing is killing off another VT, while also allowing the mafia another night kill.

Rhizo himself retracted his vote and said that he found it unlikely I was scum.

No, he wasn't. He withdrew his accusations and said I was unlikely to be a scum because pushing so hard to lynch him painted a target on me the next day. I don't know who to vote for today (I was going to vote Rhizo again) but I'll have to have a think about it. (I only just woke up irl. )

Unvote Rhizoctonia switched his vote from a wagon of 4 to make a wagon of 1 with 1 day remaining. This seems scummy. Vote Rhizoctonia Now that Lord Sunday turned up scum, it seems more scummy. Why would I vote for the least active when I have evidence like this? FoS: The Warrior ... for trying to deflect from Rhizoctonia You would of said the same shit had he came up town. You would of just worded it "Rhizoctonia left so he wouldn't of been part of a lynch of a town." Someone getting off the lynch wagon of a now known scum at the last minute is far more scummy than getting off a townie's wagon. Saying that Kevin would've reacted the same way in an alternate hypothetical situation is a completely illogical way of defending yourself. I'm not saying that I know for sure that you're scum, but all I am saying is that you're my best guess. Vote: Rhizo

Except that I voted for you from very early on, before it was at all clear that LS was in danger of being lynched, and furthermore that our mutual suspicion of each other went back even further than that. I'm still calling you out for changing your vote at the last minute. It looks to me like you tried to distance yourself from LS and then it backfired, but I await others' analysis. FoS Rhizo Your only suspicion of me, which wasn't even a suspicion was you voting me because of my activity. Then, when I had time to respond, I demonstrated how hypocritical you were to be throwing shade on anyone about activity or participating when all you did was post twice about having nothing to say, twice about being suspicious of TW for him being suspicious of you, and adding zero to the conversation. Also that you advocated for FS108's lynch yet refused to join it D1. Let alone, I called you and Rafay out for singling me out about my inactivity, when at the time LS had the same amount of posts as me and was as inactive just as long. Come to think about it, now knowing that LS is scum, it makes it even more scummy that neither of you called out LS for being as inactive as everyone. You both left him out and went directly at me, and even after I called you both out for it, neither acknowledged it. I think it's ironic that I changed my vote over a day before the game ended, and yet you said nothing from that point on, now suddenly you come D3 trying to run with it. Also, your point about separating myself from LS? How would unvoting LS be me trying to separate myself from him? Literally, if I wanted to separate myself from LS and not be associated with him, voting LS would of been the best way of doing so. I would of got town Cred for being on the lynch. Your point makes absolutely zero sense. You could make the point, I removed my vote in an effort to save him(not like someone wasn't going to reach 4)....yet if that was the case, why the hell would I choose Rafay when voting say the likes of you would of made more sense since at the time you had 2 votes on you, and me taking off my vote of LS and voting you would make you both equal at 3. Only reason I didn't was I gave you a little town Credibility near the end of the day and chose your partner instead, but that has all but been lost. Vote: Kitkat Advocating lynching FS108 (saying he would join wagon but didn't want to be the hammer vote which he wouldn't of been), Voted Canik D1 instead who we now know is town, posted all fluff yesterday to boost post count. Purposefully in my opinion ignored calling LS out D2 for him being inactive and solely focused me who had same post count, Rafay as well. Neither acknowledged or even mentioned LS's name for inactivity. Was on the wagon of me that was used as last effort to save LS. You're ignoring, again, the fact that I'm not talking about my initial (fairly random) selection of you as an object of suspicion. For the record, I didn't have much to go on at the time and tried to get things rolling by voting for someone who a) wasn't on the wagon of the first person we lynched (I forget who it was, I'm not rereading this thread) and wasn't that active. a) was the more salient point for me. Your inactivity was just simply a reason I picked you as opposed to some other person not on the wagon. It wasn't that I was definitively saying that your inactivity spelled scumminess. I just wanted to get discussion going. You're either a rather oblivious townie, or scum. I'm pegging the latter. You're still suspicious in my eyes for your last minute jump off LS' wagon. But getting back to the first sentence, I referred not to my initial post calling you out, but to our subsequent dispute. I knew I was innocent and I suspected you because you were pushing hard for my head based on flimsy grounds. You continue to accumulate scum points in my eyes by willfully misinterpreting me. P.S. Lol. I voted Canik, therefore I'm scum? Bit of a stretch, given the limited information we had the first day. Posted fluff to boost post count? Hardly. I didn't need to boost my post count.

Except that I voted for you from very early on, before it was at all clear that LS was in danger of being lynched, and furthermore that our mutual suspicion of each other went back even further than that. I'm still calling you out for changing your vote at the last minute. It looks to me like you tried to distance yourself from LS and then it backfired, but I await others' analysis. FoS Rhizo

Weren't you literally just saying that my accusing you on the grounds that you were accusing me was scummy, Rhizo? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Agreed. Honestly, my first thought was that Rhizo was super suspicious for removing his vote for LS at the eleventh hour, and I thought everyone would be jumping on that. Shrug.

How do you know? Just because it was implemented only on D2, doesn't mean it is from that moment onwards and the update came very early into D2, so i think it is applicable forwards & backwards. All those people dead till now may or may not be masons. The Masons can't roleclaim under any circumstances, this was told to the masons, at the beginning of the game. Just wanted to let all others know this so that Masons are not pushed to reveal their role by the rest. Ah. That wasn't in the rules, so I didn't realise.

This is just an idea to consider, but Here is a list of (correct me if I'm wrong) all our current players: KevinH 15 The Warrior 9 Kitkat16 10 Canik 11 iSocialism 6 Rafay 6 Rhizoctonia 6 King Cankles 5 Lyner 5 SeaBeeGipson 3 LordSunday 2 Right now, we don't have much to go on. We *DO* know that none of the people killed so far are masons because the rule was only just implemented. We won't continue to have that advantage for long. If you guys don't go for this, I know I'm painting a gigantic lynch target on my chest, but how about all three masons roleclaim right now? Statistically, it considerably increases our chances of lynching a scum, whereas I don't foresee huge advantages from continuing to have three people who defend each other from lynching, especially if they are reluctant do so because of the risk of identifying themselves to scum. Also, the advantages to having masons still in the game won't go away if they come out, because then we can collectively avoid lynching them in future rounds, rather than the masons just sticking up for each other. If they are targeted at night, all it will do is confirm they were townies, and the rest of us can defend the remaining ones. I don't know enough about strategy in this type of game to know if this is a good idea. I'm not saying we absolutely must. It's just an idea to throw out there. My next suggestion after that is that we could consider putting all the remaining names into a random order scrambler (if there is such a thing) and then lynching people in order. Statistically, we're likely to get the scum, and we can always change tactics if voting patterns bring forth more information.

I haven't posted because I haven't had anything to say. I check this thread about 2-3 times a day (not as active as I was before I went on CN-holiday, but still active enough.) If I had posted to say that I had nothing to say, I would simply have been accused of being scummy (I can provide numerous examples from this thread to prove it.) Yet you call people out for not posting? And again do not supply any real thoughts? You see, this is precisely why I didn't want to reply to your post or comment at all: I *KNEW* you would turn it into fodder to attack me, as I even alluded to in the post you quoted. UNVOTE Vote: Rhizo Congrats, you unvoted me and then revoted me. Well done Continue to get those post numbers up presenting absolutely nothing. I'm glad you alluded to something I already called you out for 2 days ago. And yet you continue the same I unvoted and revoted because I wasn't sure whether I last voted for you or Canik or someone else and I couldn't be bothered rereading the thread, so I thought I'd make sure.

I haven't posted because I haven't had anything to say. I check this thread about 2-3 times a day (not as active as I was before I went on CN-holiday, but still active enough.) If I had posted to say that I had nothing to say, I would simply have been accused of being scummy (I can provide numerous examples from this thread to prove it.) Yet you call people out for not posting? And again do not supply any real thoughts? You see, this is precisely why I didn't want to reply to your post or comment at all: I *KNEW* you would turn it into fodder to attack me, as I even alluded to in the post you quoted. UNVOTE Vote: Rhizo

I'd say anyone at risk of being mod killed probably isn't scum, actually. I haven't posted because I haven't had anything to say. I check this thread about 2-3 times a day (not as active as I was before I went on CN-holiday, but still active enough.) If I had posted to say that I had nothing to say, I would simply have been accused of being scummy (I can provide numerous examples from this thread to prove it.)

King Cankles was the last one on FS's wagon. Forgive me if I doubt he's scum. Rhizo was not on the FS wagon and has been quiet. Vote: Rhizo. May change vote if you start talking.

You don't necessarily have to have any real insight yet, but at least consider asking someone a question and try to solicit a response from them. Is there anyone that you find suspicious at this point? If so, who and why? Yeah. You. :v (For accusing me.)

I'd love to say something insightful, but there's nothing to go on.

I agree that most of the scum probably weren't on the wagon (which I know is ironic, given my post, and given that I didn't vote for him.)

This actually got me thinking about tactics in this game..... if you see groups of players defending each other, they're likely either scum or mafia. The trick is figuring out which

I also find TW suspicious for casting aspersions on me.

I can sort of understand the hesitancy to hammer someone on day 1 so I'll give you a partial pass for not casting your vote for FS, but even a quick vote count would have told you that you wouldn't be casting the hammer vote. However, if you did not want to officially vote for him, why even suggest that you would if it wasn't going to be the hammer vote? There's no cunning mafia strategy behind that post, I was simply contributing with my thoughts at the time. It's simply a case of mafia is much more fun when people say their thoughts, and at least my post was vaguely strategic, which means it is likely to get discussion going more than just lols posts accusing one another.

Pretty much saying I want to vote for him without any consequences. Everyone should know that we're more likely to lynch a town over a scum. IMO, there's is no evidence of who scum are right now. Yes. Where did I ever say otherwise?

I'd vote for FS, but I'm not particularly keen to be the hammer vote on someone for whom there is very slight evidence he is scum.

if SBG is likely to replace canik or even if canik is the person whom SBG will replace without activity then the law of probabilities says canik is probably scum vote: canik

So why the rush to lynch here? I'm still quite new to this, is waiting only worthwhile when there's a cop?