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[Imran Ehsan]

^ Agreed. Even if he doesnt find scum he can also give us confirmed townies which will be almost as good on D3 provided they are still alive.

[Fermion]

He'll also have one extra night to investigate.

Fermions posts are scummy. Just sayin'.

I was just pointing out the ways in which Mandarijn's plan could backfire on the town

[The Warrior]

I think I'd stand firm on the cop coming out on D3. Despite if he finds a scum on N1, I still think he has a good chance of making it past N2 alive and giving us more results.

I think that I generally agree with this as well.

 

I think that our best play with the Cop is to let him investigate on night 1. If he finds a townie, that's alright. That's one less person he knows is scum. If he finds scum, great! He should help to convince us to lynch that person the next day, preferably without giving his role away.

 

Let the Cop investigate again on night 2, preferably on someone that has seemed scummy up to that point. If he finds a townie, that's alright. Once again that is one less person that he knows is scum. If he finds scum, great! Help convince us to lynch that person the next day.

 

We want to keep the Cop alive as long as possible but if he has information and it looks like he is somehow heading to be lynched during the day or if he has a reasonable suspicion that he will be targeted next at night by the scum, he needs to role claim immediately and share the information that he has. At that point we can use our Jailkeeper can help keep him alive if we need to.

 

If we find a scum and cannot manage to lynch him during the day for one reason or another, we will still have the option to kill him at night with the Vigilante.

[The Warrior]

What does everyone else think of the general proposed strategy? Anything else that we should consider?

 

Current Post Count:

 

Ali bin Turban 8

The Warrior 6

KevinH 5

Chaplain of death 5

Rhizoctonia 5

Fermion 4

Imran Ehsan 3

King Hitler 2

Mandarijn 2

Rafay 2

Robert2424 1

Lyner 1

 

 

Still nothing from iSocialism or Whitebeard after 24 hours. We need everyone to be active.

 

@Kevin - Have either of them read their role PM's?

[Whitebeard]

Huh, been quite inactive, never knew there were going to be such RUDE comments put towards me 

 

Very interesting setup. Townies have 4 power actions. This means the townies with power roles really need to pay attention to what we are posting and not go around using their actions every night (god..I hope rafay isnt one of those with a PR). They need to hold back and conserve their actions to be used at the most opportune times.

 

For Night 1,

- the Vigilante should not be using his power. He has a higher probability of hitting town shooting in the dark than with some info.

- the jailkeeper should not be using his power as well. He has a chance of blocking the cop. Jailing the framer and role cop also gives little benefit to the town for now as chance of framer and cop hitting the same target is very low and chance of role cop targetting a VT is also high.

- the cop should be using his power. The decision to who he should target should be based on posting patterns and scumminess indicators from D1. For example, my BS detector meter kept on going off the charts every time Rhizo posted in the last 2 games I played with him. Look for such signs and target him.

 

So that will take up only 1 out of the 4 power actions we have, leaving 3 for the later days. On Day 2 we will re-evaluate the results from D1 and N1 and consider our options again as to what actions to take next.

 

For Day 1, we need to lynch. We lynch the lurkers. As I have already pointed out town and specially the townies with power role really need to pay attention to this game. If you are a town and too busy to play, let the Mod know right now that you are not available so that a replacement can be found. Dont just stay around and do nothing ruining the game for everyone.

 

In that vein,

 

Vote: Whitebeard

 

0 posts as of yet.

 

 

Vote: Imran Ehsan

 

 

You wanna know why? My BS detector went off. hAAAAAAA 

[Imran Ehsan]

OMGUS

For the noobs rookies. Yep.

[Ali bin Turban]

Ouch. Abt being savage. 

 

VOTE RAFAY

 

let's see if he squirms. 

 

I'm a little hurt by your accusation. I'm one of the most reasonable and logical people that have walk the...well "this topic" will suffice .

I do not vote randomly, nor do I do it for the lulz. I've announced my intention way before this game started (precisely here: http://ironcentral.org/community/topic/56759-tw-01-cybernations-mafia-day-4/page-24#entry854290 - last sentence).

 

D1 votes are the most random ones, so I'm adding a pinch of logic into them: "If you want to lynch and there's no proof pointing to anyone, lynch the one that tends to be biggest liability later on". This also have didactic value, because If player sees he's being punished for his anti-town playstyle he'll feel pressure to change it .

 

 

I also support what Imran's said. Just in case, I'll reiterate: If anyone of you have signed up but don't feel like you're going to play, or maybe you're not convinced yet and booked yourself a seat just in case, please leave, because otherwise you're going to ruin it for everyone. This kind of game's just suffering so much if people are getting inactive (as we are experiencing in TW's game).

 

One more thing - let's have max value for day length. 13 days for D1 is definitely overboard. There will be nothing to talk about after 6.

[Whitebeard]

OMGUS

For the noobs rookies. Yep.

 

Something called reverse psychology...

[Ali bin Turban]

I think smart cop does not need to come out until he has good reasons to do it. I believe smart cop would stay hidden for as long as he can putting hints everyday. Hints that are small enough so that they're lost in the noise of other people opinions, but when he dies, his role is revealed and we come back digging his posts they become obvious.

 

Question is, does that poor fellow that drew the short straw and got the most responsible role feels smart enough to pull it off .

[Ali bin Turban]

Also, folks that get on a lynch wagon that targets scum (or the ones being strong accusers) will surely get the attention of the other scums, so cop would be risking his life in such case.

 

One important thing I think we can do in order to help cop is to post our opinions everyday (on both scummy and townie reads - but let's not get overboard with it - real cop would never come with 5 townie reads after first night) so that we act like noise that's encrypting cop's transmission giving scums serious trouble to get on a right track.

[SeaBeeGipson]

Also, folks that get on a lynch wagon that targets scum (or the ones being strong accusers) will surely get the attention of the other scums, so cop would be risking his life in such case.
 
One important thing I think we can do in order to help cop is to post our opinions everyday (on both scummy and townie reads - but let's not get overboard with it - real cop would never come with 5 townie reads after first night) so that we act like noise that's encrypting cop's transmission giving scums serious trouble to get on a right track.

I could see that backfiring. If we make random nonsense to try and avert attention from the cop, we'd also be drowning out any noise from the scum if I'm understanding correctly. As for the hints, I feel the cop may be risking it there so they would have to be extremely clever. Scum would be looking for any indicator on who is the cop, that's their target #1. If their are hints, they'd have to be subtle enough to fit in the conversation but obvious enough to kind of spell it out what they found. That second part is what scares me though, in case it is obvious enough for a scum to pick up and cops gone with us only having one hint..

I can see the benefit though if the cop leaves opinions on people when he finds something out (during the course of one day, the conversation usually circles through everyone.) If he's killed, we'd have that "opinion" to go off of. With such limited players, confirming a Townie is almost as good as confirming a scum.

Also, can anyone ping isocialism?

[Ali bin Turban]

 

Also, folks that get on a lynch wagon that targets scum (or the ones being strong accusers) will surely get the attention of the other scums, so cop would be risking his life in such case.
 
One important thing I think we can do in order to help cop is to post our opinions everyday (on both scummy and townie reads - but let's not get overboard with it - real cop would never come with 5 townie reads after first night) so that we act like noise that's encrypting cop's transmission giving scums serious trouble to get on a right track.

I could see that backfiring. If we make random nonsense to try and avert attention from the cop, we'd also be drowning out any noise from the scum if I'm understanding correctly. As for the hints, I feel the cop may be risking it there so they would have to be extremely clever. Scum would be looking for any indicator on who is the cop, that's their target #1. If their are hints, they'd have to be subtle enough to fit in the conversation but obvious enough to kind of spell it out what they found. That second part is what scares me though, in case it is obvious enough for a scum to pick up and cops gone with us only having one hint..

I can see the benefit though if the cop leaves opinions on people when he finds something out (during the course of one day, the conversation usually circles through everyone.) If he's killed, we'd have that "opinion" to go off of. With such limited players, confirming a Townie is almost as good as confirming a scum.

Also, can anyone ping isocialism?

 

There's a lot of talks of who's who normally so it wouldn't be anything special. And I'm not talking about producing nonsense which would be very harmful to the town, but rather speaking your mind if you have some reads (because if you're hiding information you're not helping the town).

 

Also having limited players is good for the game as it means there's bigger chance of finding replacement when needed.

[Whitebeard]

I think smart cop does not need to come out until he has good reasons to do it. I believe smart cop would stay hidden for as long as he can putting hints everyday. Hints that are small enough so that they're lost in the noise of other people opinions, but when he dies, his role is revealed and we come back digging his posts they become obvious.

 

Question is, does that poor fellow that drew the short straw and got the most responsible role feels smart enough to pull it off .

 

 

Sure

And by the way, your thinking ain't gonna get you far (won't mention why) Was a joke voting Imran Ehsan. Will decide later, but I can see something weird around here...

 

 

 

unvote

[KevinH]

iSocialism has read his PM.

[Rafay]

Should we let the vigilante use his role tonight? I think not. Only the doctor and cop should be allowed to use theirs.

[Robert2424]

UNVOTE

 

usually the cop comes out after he finds scum. 

[Mandarijn]

 

Also, folks that get on a lynch wagon that targets scum (or the ones being strong accusers) will surely get the attention of the other scums, so cop would be risking his life in such case.
 
One important thing I think we can do in order to help cop is to post our opinions everyday (on both scummy and townie reads - but let's not get overboard with it - real cop would never come with 5 townie reads after first night) so that we act like noise that's encrypting cop's transmission giving scums serious trouble to get on a right track.

I could see that backfiring. If we make random nonsense to try and avert attention from the cop, we'd also be drowning out any noise from the scum if I'm understanding correctly. As for the hints, I feel the cop may be risking it there so they would have to be extremely clever. Scum would be looking for any indicator on who is the cop, that's their target #1. If their are hints, they'd have to be subtle enough to fit in the conversation but obvious enough to kind of spell it out what they found. That second part is what scares me though, in case it is obvious enough for a scum to pick up and cops gone with us only having one hint..

I can see the benefit though if the cop leaves opinions on people when he finds something out (during the course of one day, the conversation usually circles through everyone.) If he's killed, we'd have that "opinion" to go off of. With such limited players, confirming a Townie is almost as good as confirming a scum.

Also, can anyone ping isocialism?

 

Actually, what if we just all post 1 name of who we think are scum and/or town every day? If everyone does this, the cop including, we'll always have something to go back to (that's obvious ). But the scum won't be able to use this intel to find the cop?

 

Or can this backfire as well? I don't know yet if it would be best to post both a scum AND town person (if the cop is dead and we go back later, we won't be sure which one is correct) or to just post scum OR town person. 

[SeaBeeGipson]

Should we let the vigilante use his role tonight? I think not. Only the doctor and cop should be allowed to use theirs.

I don't think the Vigilante should and the doctor is a scum role. Kind of draws speculation as to why you'd mention a scum role.

[The Warrior]

 

 

Also, folks that get on a lynch wagon that targets scum (or the ones being strong accusers) will surely get the attention of the other scums, so cop would be risking his life in such case.
 
One important thing I think we can do in order to help cop is to post our opinions everyday (on both scummy and townie reads - but let's not get overboard with it - real cop would never come with 5 townie reads after first night) so that we act like noise that's encrypting cop's transmission giving scums serious trouble to get on a right track.

I could see that backfiring. If we make random nonsense to try and avert attention from the cop, we'd also be drowning out any noise from the scum if I'm understanding correctly. As for the hints, I feel the cop may be risking it there so they would have to be extremely clever. Scum would be looking for any indicator on who is the cop, that's their target #1. If their are hints, they'd have to be subtle enough to fit in the conversation but obvious enough to kind of spell it out what they found. That second part is what scares me though, in case it is obvious enough for a scum to pick up and cops gone with us only having one hint..

I can see the benefit though if the cop leaves opinions on people when he finds something out (during the course of one day, the conversation usually circles through everyone.) If he's killed, we'd have that "opinion" to go off of. With such limited players, confirming a Townie is almost as good as confirming a scum.

Also, can anyone ping isocialism?

 

Actually, what if we just all post 1 name of who we think are scum and/or town every day? If everyone does this, the cop including, we'll always have something to go back to (that's obvious ). But the scum won't be able to use this intel to find the cop?

 

Or can this backfire as well? I don't know yet if it would be best to post both a scum AND town person (if the cop is dead and we go back later, we won't be sure which one is correct) or to just post scum OR town person. 

 

This is an interesting idea. Asking everyone to explain why they think someone is suspicious every day could return some pretty obvious BS from the scum at the very least.

 

The issue that I see with this plan though is that in the case where the Cop is lucky enough to find a scum his results might be really easily lost among all of the other random speculation and BS that gets floated each day.

[Ali bin Turban]

TW, it's not intended to give us hints as we play every day (because if you or me or anyone else can find a cop's hint while he's still playing then scums can do it also and he's as good as dead). It's intended to give us a list of townies/scums once cop turns out dead or decides to reveal himself.

 

What Mandarjin's said is great idea - everyone states one name at the beginning of the day with the role (like MrX - scum)...and I dare you scums not to post it  . Without a key to decode it's all meaningless noise. But as soon as cop steps in or is found dead suddenly we know what's truth and what's noise. Obviously, apart from that message we continue our scum hunt just as we normally do.

 

Mandarjin's idea is really good. So good he's been confirmed as a townie in my eyes.

 

 

Should we let the vigilante use his role tonight? I think not. Only the doctor and cop should be allowed to use theirs.

I don't think the Vigilante should and the doctor is a scum role. Kind of draws speculation as to why you'd mention a scum role.

 

That's one of Rafay's superpowers: "Sowing confusion" .